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Old Posted Apr 3, 2019, 4:21 PM
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^ Problem is, a large demographic like AA residents aren't, and never were, leaving due to the actions of one person.

Macroeconomic changes like the movement of blue collar jobs out of Chicago with substantially improved opportunities elsewhere, particularly in the south, as well as other factors such as gang violence are the primary reason.

I don't bet on the AA exodus changing whatsoever from simply having LL as mayor. That is mostly symbolic
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^ Problem is, a large demographic like AA residents aren't, and never were, leaving due to the actions of one person.

Macroeconomic changes like the movement of blue collar jobs out of Chicago with substantially improved opportunities elsewhere, particularly in the south, as well as other factors such as gang violence are the primary reason.

I don't bet on the AA exodus changing whatsoever from simply having LL as mayor. That is mostly symbolic
Of course not. But to the extent she can get police to respect the community more, and to the extent she can convince the community that the Mayor's office actually understands their concerns hand has real skin in the game (a daughter, in addition to herself), that can make a big difference in outlook.
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let's please keep this thread focused solely on local politics..

if you guys want to discuss the 2020 presidential race, please take it to the current events shit-show, i mean sub-forum: https://forum.skyscraperpage.com/for...php?forumid=14
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Well yea, anyone can give a speech and say they are going to shake up the system. Actually producing change will be much more difficult. That's what's so great about Rahm, he is able to push through meaningful changes and reforms and get stuff done. I wish Lightfoot the best in her new job!
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Old Posted Apr 3, 2019, 5:03 PM
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Of course not. But to the extent she can get police to respect the community more, and to the extent she can convince the community that the Mayor's office actually understands their concerns hand has real skin in the game (a daughter, in addition to herself), that can make a big difference in outlook.
True, although I don't quite follow your comment about "skin in the game"
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Old Posted Apr 3, 2019, 5:06 PM
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^^^ It's worth noting the parallels between Clinton and Preckwinkle actually. They both basically ran on "gimme, it's mine!" instead of actually introducing new ideas. That was what was most glaring to me in the Lightfoot - Preckwinkle debates.

A question would be asked of Preckwinkle and she would spend half her time to respond building up to it with meaningless political blather (as someone who grew up doing this and has worked to help that for this many years blah blah blah) and then spit out a generic political sound bite (I am for making housing more affordable, I am for holding the police accountable, I am against big business). Then Lightfoot would answer and would just go right into rattling off actual policy changes she would make to address the problem.

I remember one answer about affordable housing where Preckwinkle was basically like "we are going to make affordable housing like I did in Hyde Park when I was alderman". Lightfoot immediately was just like "this is a super complex issue so it can't be solved in one go, but I'll change the way zoning works in this way, I'll change the building code to make new housing cheaper, I'll change the way the ARO works like this, I'll take politics out of the planning process to provide more affordable units in oppurtunity areas, etc.

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I'm quite hopeful, too.

I hope she has effective ideas on keeping AA residents. She obviously has their support, which makes sense given her involvement in holding police to task. Should she have gone further in that role? Perhaps, but she went further than anyone else with actual power in the category had in a long time, if ever.

If AA residents stopped moving, we'd probably be growing, and as plenty of places have shown, growth begets growth, all things being equal.
Of course just giving a speech doesn't solve that problem, but perhaps she is better positioned than any other Mayor since Harold Washington to state the case to the AA community that we CAN solve problems if we work together.

Honestly as much as there are pull factors driving this trend, the biggest issues are the push factors: blight, gun violence, lack of opportunity. Violence and crime in particular are problems that we KNOW do not need to persist. NYC, LA, and many other cities have made huge inroads in snuffing that issue out. Why can't Chicago? I think she has correctly identified that we need to start with the murder clearance rate, 17% is a freaking joke. She has stated directly that she won't stand for that. I think she will push just as directly with the community as she does with the police in making that point. And that's really what needs to happen, people need to stop putting up with this bullshit and it starts with the top. If she tells the community she is not going to put up with a 17% clearance rate from the police and is not going to put up with racial profiling and abuse of power, you are damn right the community will finally start pulling their weight in turning in criminals.

I actually think her idea of decentralizing the police academy into some of the vacant schools is fantastic despite the "optics" of replacing schools with cops. It's abundantly clear the police need better training if we are going to avoid another McDonald incident. It's also abundantly clear that the police need better relations with the community. Instead of cloistering them off in some corner of town in a fancy new facility, why not make them learn their job in the communities they will be serving? Why not make service a part of their training? Why not start from the bottom and have young officers training in these un used facilities and then going out to lead youth league basketball games (also providing the double duty of some security at those events) or going out to meet with the local church group or anything like that.

As much as everyone is saying "well a speech is one thing" this woman has real ideas. She isn't just blowing smoke up our asses, she is taking a totally different angle on things.
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^^^ It's worth noting the parallels between Clinton and Preckwinkle actually. They both basically ran on "gimme, it's mine!" instead of actually introducing new ideas. That was what was most glaring to me in the Lightfoot - Preckwinkle debates.

A question would be asked of Preckwinkle and she would spend half her time to respond building up to it with meaningless political blather (as someone who grew up doing this and has worked to help that for this many years blah blah blah) and then spit out a generic political sound bite (I am for making housing more affordable, I am for holding the police accountable, I am against big business). Then Lightfoot would answer and would just go right into rattling off actual policy changes she would make to address the problem.

I remember one answer about affordable housing where Preckwinkle was basically like "we are going to make affordable housing like I did in Hyde Park when I was alderman". Lightfoot immediately was just like "this is a super complex issue so it can't be solved in one go, but I'll change the way zoning works in this way, I'll change the building code to make new housing cheaper, I'll change the way the ARO works like this, I'll take politics out of the planning process to provide more affordable units in oppurtunity areas, etc.
^ Totally agree with this.

Preckwinkle was not only tone deaf, but she basically had a dismissive tone to her. As if she didn't have to prove anything--she is "progressive" and "hates big business" and has been here a long time and that should be enough to win your vote.
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preckwinkle didn't win a single ward.

and of the city's 2,069 voting precincts, preckwinle only won 20 of them!

all 20 in and around her hyde park homebase.



what an epic, city-wide landslide!

i knew lori was gonna win (who didn't?), but i was not expecting such a thorough trouncing from howard to 138th and everywhere in between.

lightfoot has been mandated!



i'm filled with joy that lightfoot's vision of unity and hope was able to so sternly defeat preckwinkle's cynical and divisive politics of the past.

our city needed this.

man, is it ever sunny out today.
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^^^ NPR just ran the headline "Lori Lightfoot Breaks the Back of the Machine" as the intro to their discussion on the election results.
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So how much longer is Preckwinkle Cook County Board President lol?
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So how much longer is Preckwinkle Cook County Board President lol?
I dunno, but Kagei and Lightfoot should find someone to run against her and really finish the job on the machine.
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preckwinkle didn't win a single ward.

and of the city's 2,069 voting precincts, preckwinle only won 20 of them!

all 20 in and around her hyde park homebase.



what an epic, city-wide landslide!

i knew lori was gonna win (who didn't?), but i was not expecting such a thorough trouncing from howard to 138th and everywhere in between.

lightfoot has been mandated!



i'm filled with joy that lightfoot's vision of unity and hope was able to so sternly defeat preckwinkle's cynical and divisive politics of the past.

our city needed this.

man, is it ever sunny out today.

Agreed fully, I'm just not sure how and why all these socialist alderman and lightfoot want this aro raised to 50 percent I think that is going to be bad for high-rise development.

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True, although I don't quite follow your comment about "skin in the game"
No matter how sensitive Rahm might be, he doesn't have to worry about his child being victimized by racist police. He doesn't have to suffer indignities if police who treat black citizens with suspicion, so the stakes for him to get things right in that regard aren't nearly as high.

Lori has to worry whether her daughter could be shot by some corrupt cop who doesn't recognize her. That is quite literal skin in the game of fixing police behavior.
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In response to anyone concerned about a lack of experience:

Giuliani and Bloomberg didn't have any elected experience and oversaw a resurgence of New York. Say what you will about Giuliani of today, until about 2003 he walked on water across the political spectrum.

Riordan in Los Angeles had no prior experience experience having been a lawyer and investment banker. He led LA back after the Rodney King riots and helped get their crime under control.

All three of those examples ran as Republicans. Lightfoot didn't, but the Republican Party practically doesn't exist here, and she's probably similar in many ways to the kind of Republican Bloomberg was.

In other words, any obsession with experience is simply unwarranted in my opinion.
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No matter how sensitive Rahm might be, he doesn't have to worry about his child being victimized by racist police. He doesn't have to suffer indignities if police who treat black citizens with suspicion, so the stakes for him to get things right in that regard aren't nearly as high.

Lori has to worry whether her daughter could be shot by some corrupt cop who doesn't recognize her. That is quite literal skin in the game of fixing police behavior.
Wouldn't the present black Superintendent of Police share the same "skin in the game"?

Sorry, I don't really accept this line of thinking.
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Lori has to worry whether her daughter could be shot by some corrupt cop who doesn't recognize her. That is quite literal skin in the game of fixing police behavior.
Corruption and shooting blacks are not at all the same thing, and usually only loosely connected.
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Wouldn't the present black Superintendent of Police share the same "skin in the game"?

Sorry, I don't really accept this line of thinking.
The notable difference being that the Police Superintendent is not the Mayor. One is a high ranking cop the other signs legislation and directs budgets.
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Chicago's new socialist aldermen look to flex City Council muscle

https://www.chicagobusiness.com/greg...council-muscle

Let's not forget a lot of bad happened yesterday too.
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Chicago's new socialist aldermen look to flex City Council muscle

https://www.chicagobusiness.com/greg...council-muscle

Let's not forget a lot of bad happened yesterday too.
Yep, all cheer our newest faction. The 'Democratic Socialists of America', now 10% of the city council!
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Chicago's new socialist aldermen look to flex City Council muscle

https://www.chicagobusiness.com/greg...council-muscle

Let's not forget a lot of bad happened yesterday too.
Yuck this is Even worse than the corruption.....
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