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Old Posted Sep 26, 2018, 4:04 AM
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I put the odds of POP's lawsuit succeeding at no more than 1 in 8, but I had similar predictions for FotP's lawsuit over the Lucas Museum.

There's some speculation that Mayor Emanuel's departure might permit a reëxamination of the site.
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Old Posted Sep 26, 2018, 1:32 PM
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I put the odds of POP's lawsuit succeeding at no more than 1 in 8, but I had similar predictions for FotP's lawsuit over the Lucas Museum.

There's some speculation that Mayor Emanuel's departure might permit a reëxamination of the site.
You have made the point of FotP’s lawsuit against Lucas succeeding before, but you seem to forget that we will never know if that lawsuit would’ve won in court, as Lucas skipped town.
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Old Posted Sep 26, 2018, 1:43 PM
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Yes, sometimes just turning the light on causes the cockroaches to scatter. Lucas fled town rather than let the judge see the lease agreement.
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Old Posted Sep 26, 2018, 2:27 PM
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Hopefully this happens and quickly. That park is pretty dumpy and really needs a shot in the arm.
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Old Posted Sep 26, 2018, 3:12 PM
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Does it, really? In what way? Have you actually walked through this part of Jackson Park recently? Wooded Island and the surrounding lagoon have been completely reconstructed in the last five years, and birds and birders flock there in spring and fall. The current athletic field is well-used. This area of the park is very popular with picnickers and African-American family gatherings.

If the recreational needs of Jackson Park need to be reassessed or improved, why not do that through the Jackson Park Framework Plan rather than announce three big projects (presidential center, new super golf course, Yoko Ono artwork) that don't have anything to do with each other and then try to juggle things like Cornell Drive around so they fit?
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Old Posted Sep 26, 2018, 9:42 PM
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Golf Course aside... why not do it they way they are doing it by eliminating Cornell, bringing in a new art installation, and a new institution that will have international attraction that will only bring MORE visitors and MORE green space to the park?....

I guess change and progress are hard for you?

Oh, and I have walked through the park recently and enjoyed both the Wooded Island and the Yoko Ono installation...
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^You seem determined to see this through the lens of the 20th century's expansion of the Commerce Clause when it's an entirely different question. It's not a matter of whether something is properly done by the states or by the feds; Illinois Central stands for the proposition that there are some things that even the sovereign may not do.

Illinois Central is settled law, relied on by decades of important environmental decisions. The only thing that could change that would be a constitutional amendment or a Supreme Court decision reversing Illinois Central.
It is simply your opinion that this case is binding. But if the facts and circumstances favored the governments position as completely reasonable and just downright good for the public at large, the court would almost surely carve out an exception. As you said yourself, the common law is messy, and that's because the essence of the common law is change. A court case from 1892 is obviously going to have some serious problems when applied to modern life and there's nothing to stop a thoughtful Court from revisiting its assumptions or interpreting it more narrowly.
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^You seem determined to see this through the lens of the 20th century's expansion of the Commerce Clause when it's an entirely different question. It's not a matter of whether something is properly done by the states or by the feds; Illinois Central stands for the proposition that there are some things that even the sovereign may not do.

Illinois Central is settled law, relied on by decades of important environmental decisions. The only thing that could change that would be a constitutional amendment or a Supreme Court decision reversing Illinois Central.
The "sovereign"? You mean the Queen?
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The "sovereign"? You mean the Queen?
It's a legal/political term for whatever the dominant power in society is and it's loaded with some really fascinating questions about where power originates.
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Old Posted Sep 26, 2018, 11:11 PM
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It's a legal/political term for whatever the dominant power in society is and it's loaded with some really fascinating questions about where power originates.
I'm quite sure TUP knows the definition quite well. His was a tongue and cheek response. [1]

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Old Posted Sep 26, 2018, 11:16 PM
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I'm quite sure TUP knows the definition quite well. His was a tongue and cheek response. [1]

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Are you drunk again? you always hit the return key too many times when you’re in a blackout
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It's a legal/political term for whatever the dominant power in society is and it's loaded with some really fascinating questions about where power originates.
Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony.
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Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony.
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Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony.
Yeah! Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!
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Yeah, if I went around calling myself emperor just because some moistened bint threw a scimitar at me, they'd call me mad!
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Not sure if this was posted anywhere, but does anyone know who the GC is on this project? Thanks in advance!
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^It is a venture led by Turner Construction
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^^^ Heres their website for the project--

https://www.lakesidealliance.com/
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Old Posted Oct 20, 2018, 2:26 PM
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The losing proposals were released:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/o...019-story.html

Really like the Diller Scofidio + Renfro plan...



At the same time, glad we didn't get the Adjaye design in Washington park



Gangs design dosent do much for me either. Too overbearing

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Hmmm, considering the proposals, I think we got the best one
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