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Old Posted Apr 25, 2020, 1:39 AM
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With the very real possibility of sporting events having no fans in the arena for all of next season, I wonder how that will affect junior hockey? The NHL will be fine and obviously plans on going ahead with fan-less games as soon as they are given the green light to do so. With leagues like the AHL & major junior, where they are primarily gate drive , how will they be feasible?
I don’t even know if all the NHL teams will be fine. There is some teams really struggling at the gate as is is, and some teams like Arizona, have a lot of debt.
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I don’t even know if all the NHL teams will be fine. There is some teams really struggling at the gate as is is, and some teams like Arizona, have a lot of debt.
The NHL is a TV-driven league. You know why "struggling" teams like Florida and Arizona didn't move ten years ago? Because local TV ratings are great (and also because it's unfair to judge the viability of a market when the team hasn't been good in a long time.

No NHL franchise that recently got it's hands on two consecutive franchise fees is going anywhere.
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ASM Global Launches VenueShield Environmental Hygiene Program

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Old Posted May 7, 2020, 4:33 AM
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The NHL is a TV-driven league. You know why "struggling" teams like Florida and Arizona didn't move ten years ago? Because local TV ratings are great (and also because it's unfair to judge the viability of a market when the team hasn't been good in a long time.

No NHL franchise that recently got it's hands on two consecutive franchise fees is going anywhere.
Might want to check your facts there. NHL is a gate driven League not tv driven. Very simple research could of confirmed that for you
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Old Posted May 7, 2020, 11:31 AM
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Might want to check your facts there. NHL is a gate driven League not tv driven. Very simple research could of confirmed that for you
Yeah it’s very gate driven. Almost entirely gate driven.

The reasoning doesn’t hold up when you look at Atlanta being moved. The only reason that Arizona didn’t move is because the NHL got invested in the team and wouldn’t let it move. Also the Coyotes did have a period of success not that long ago, so again the logic doesn’t ad up.
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STATS - NHL vs. NFL

NHL signed with Rogers, $436M/yr. for 12 years

NFL to collect $54.6 billion from TV contracts with FOX (runs from 2014-2022), CBS (2014-2022), NBC (2014-2022), ESPN (2014-2021) and DirecTV (2015-2022).



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Yeah it’s very gate driven. Almost entirely gate driven.

The reasoning doesn’t hold up when you look at Atlanta being moved. The only reason that Arizona didn’t move is because the NHL got invested in the team and wouldn’t let it move. Also the Coyotes did have a period of success not that long ago, so again the logic doesn’t ad up.
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Yeah it’s very gate driven. Almost entirely gate driven.

The reasoning doesn’t hold up when you look at Atlanta being moved. The only reason that Arizona didn’t move is because the NHL got invested in the team and wouldn’t let it move. Also the Coyotes did have a period of success not that long ago, so again the logic doesn’t ad up.
IIRC, one of the main reasons Arizona didn't move was because it was the focus of a hostile offer from the RIM owner, who didn't hide he fully intended to pull the team into Southern Ontario (either as a second Toronto team or a KWC team). So Bateman and the NHL owners dug in hard against it to fight it every means they had and then some; and basically quadruple downed on keeping the team in Arizona no matter how little sense it made.

Moving the Thrashers to Winnipeg was a lot easier since it was a friendlier offer and didn't really ruffle any feathers.
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The Thrashers didn't have any owners when they were sold to Winnipeg. It was either Winnipeg or the team folded.

The NHL doesn't relocate teams often because it affects their speculative value. Buyers are more willing to pay a higher price if teams aren't moving around every two or three years. Show a commitment to a market with a plan and people will pony up money for franchises.

The NHL did not move Arizona because they're committed to the market (like they are with every market) and moving shows a sign of weakness in the product. Phoenix is one of the fastest growing, largest metro areas in the US, with a vast ethnic community; the NHL isn't walking away from that.

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Might want to check your facts there. NHL is a gate driven League not tv driven. Very simple research could of confirmed that for you
You're incorrect. As two examples, the NYRangers had $270M in revenues in the last season and only $103M of that derived from gate receipts, and Calgary had revenue of $138M with only $62M of it derived from gate receipts. Teams can survive on short-term without fans in stands because a lot of their revenue is derived from commercial sponsorships and media agreements.

https://www.forbes.com/nhl-valuations/list/#tab:overall

Leagues like the CFL and CHL are vastly gate-driven and thus might not come out of COVID unscathed.
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Arizona has been an absolute shit-shit for decades now. They were losing upwards for $35-40 million a year with the leagues lowest salary. The NHL was forced to buy them out of bankruptcy for $140M. Their continued existence was predicated on the city of Glendale paying the NHL $25M a year. The year Atlanta left, the NHL played chicken with the city. They were 15 minutes away from selling the team to True North, the current Jets owners. When the small city of Glendale ponied up the money, the NHL didn’t want to own 2 teams at the same time, so they sold the Thrashers to TrueNorth. After looking at the business numbers, no one wanted to touch the franchise with a 10 foot pole. Enter Anthony LeBlanc who “bought” the team from the NHL (with the original idea of playing up to 10 games a year in Saskatchewan). Anthony came in and demanded a new arena be built up the road, closer to the denser population. Glendale rebuffed as they were still paying off their 15 year old arena. They then agreed to pay him $15M/ year for 15years for the privilege of having him as “owner”. He then came back to the city and decided $15M wasn’t enough and lobbied to have an entertainment tax zone created around he area so he could collect more money. Yadda yadda yadda, he’s doing the same thing in Halifax now with the Schooners. No money down, have the city and the tax payers build him a stadium and pay for his ownership.
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Arizona has been an absolute shit-shit for decades now. They were losing upwards for $35-40 million a year with the leagues lowest salary.
Key word here is 'were'. They were doing pretty well on most economic indicators prior to COVID relative to their previous history.

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The NHL was forced to buy them out of bankruptcy for $140M. Their continued existence was predicated on the city of Glendale paying the NHL $25M a year. The year Atlanta left, the NHL played chicken with the city. They were 15 minutes away from selling the team to True North, the current Jets owners. When the small city of Glendale ponied up the money, the NHL didn’t want to own 2 teams at the same time, so they sold the Thrashers to TrueNorth.
Yes and no. As I previously posted the Thrashers owners almost literally left the team with the NHL with nowhere to play and nothing really to do. TrueNorth had been floating around for a few years and we able to snatch up the Thrashers immediately.

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After looking at the business numbers, no one wanted to touch the franchise with a 10 foot pole. Enter Anthony LeBlanc who “bought” the team from the NHL (with the original idea of playing up to 10 games a year in Saskatchewan). Anthony came in and demanded a new arena be built up the road, closer to the denser population. Glendale rebuffed as they were still paying off their 15 year old arena. They then agreed to pay him $15M/ year for 15years for the privilege of having him as “owner”. He then came back to the city and decided $15M wasn’t enough and lobbied to have an entertainment tax zone created around he area so he could collect more money. Yadda yadda yadda, he’s doing the same thing in Halifax now with the Schooners. No money down, have the city and the tax payers build him a stadium and pay for his ownership.
Well, he was working on the Schooners project, until he decided to move to an NHL team that'll probably fire him in five months time, which should say a lot about the Schooners project as it stands today.
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Key word here is 'were'. They were doing pretty well on most economic indicators prior to COVID relative to their previous history.
Good to know. I was following the "Phoenix Coyotes Saga" on a daily basis, on the Hockey Futures forum for a decade. I stopped following 3 years ago and haven't really paid any attention to the NHL since.

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Yes and no. As I previously posted the Thrashers owners almost literally left the team with the NHL with nowhere to play and nothing really to do. TrueNorth had been floating around for a few years and we able to snatch up the Thrashers immediately.
Yes, the Thrashers owners basically "threw the keys on the desk" but Mark Chipman later admitted he was "15 minutes away" from buying the Coyotes from the NHL had Glendale not ponied up the money. The NHL would have had to move the Thrashers to the next best location, but as you said, that would have looked horrible on the league.

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Well, he was working on the Schooners project, until he decided to move to an NHL team that'll probably fire him in five months time, which should say a lot about the Schooners project as it stands today.
Good news for Halifax. If the CFL survives, hopefully they can find a better ownership and finally get a team.
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I'm not sure what they're doing, but there's some City of Moncton trucks at the plaza, and an excavator digging up the area just south of the oval. There's fencing and pylons and quite a few workers there. Maybe some sub-grade repairs to the ice making system?
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