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Holy crap this thing is crazy. I believe this would be by far the largest industrial warehouse in the country. I think Canadian Tires distribution centre in Bolton is the largest right now at about 1.5 million sf...

Then you get to the whole 5 floor thing. The first multi level industrial warehouse in Canada is under construction in Vancouver right now from my understanding, and a lot of people are doubtful of it.

Not only is this about double the size of the next largest distribution centre, it is going up 5 floors when most people are struggling to believe that even 2 floors is feasible.
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Ottawa might be a great place for developing automated vehicles because of our tech industry but it's definitely not a great place for testing them. 6 months of the year we have potential for inclement weather in which an automated vehicle can not operate. The cameras and sensors they rely upon don't work when they are covered in road grime, ice, slush, snow, etc.
Isn't that what would make Ottawa great? What's the use for automated cars if they can't drive in snow, ice etc... that's the ultimate challenge with automated cars, and it's not like they can do that in California
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Isn't that what would make Ottawa great? What's the use for automated cars if they can't drive in snow, ice etc... that's the ultimate challenge with automated cars, and it's not like they can do that in California
You know, that is an very good point. Ottawa has extremely varied weather conditions, perhaps more so than any other city with a highly developed high tech industry. I have been looking at it with the mentality that automated cars simply wouldn't work in our climate for six months of the year, but maybe the plan for developing automated cars in Ottawa is to figure out HOW to make them work in bad climates.
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Developer plans 2.7-million-square-foot industrial building at Barrhaven business park

Project would be nearly three times larger than Amazon warehouse on Boundary Road


David Sali, OBJ
June5, 2020


A developer is planning to construct the largest industrial building in Ottawa at a Barrhaven business park – a 2.7-million-square-foot facility that would be nearly three times larger than the massive Amazon distribution centre on Boundary Road.

A company called Python LP has filed a site plan application to construct the building – which would feature five levels and soar nearly 100 feet high – at 222 Citigate Dr. in the heart of Regional Group’s 170-acre Citigate Business Park, just east of the intersection of Strandherd Drive and Highway 416 in Barrhaven.

The “prestige office and light industrial building,” which is expected to include about 50 truck loading docks and more than 2,000 parking spaces, would easily eclipse the one-million-square-foot Amazon warehouse to become the largest industrial building ever constructed in Ottawa.

Broccolini, the Montreal developer behind the $200-million Amazon project that opened in 2019, is not named in the new application. But three members of the Broccolini family who are also high-level executives at the company that bears their name – CEO John and vice-presidents Joseph and Paul – are directors of a company called Python GP that was federally incorporated at the beginning of March, just weeks before the new application was initially filed.

James Beach, Broccolini’s Ottawa-based director of real estate and development, said he couldn’t comment on whether the company was involved in the project. Officials from Regional Group also refused to comment on the proposal.

Shawn Hamilton, managing director of CBRE’s Ottawa office, noted Broccolini has a track record of building large-scale warehouse facilities that includes the Boundary Road distribution centre and a similar-sized project, also for Amazon, that is slated to open later this summer in Scarborough.

E-commerce potential

While no potential tenants are mentioned in the application, supporting documents say the peak period for the site is expected to run from October to January – coinciding with the busy Christmas shopping season. Experts also note that the site’s easy access to Highway 416 would make it a prime location for a retail distribution centre.

“It’s got e-commerce written all over it,” Hamilton said, adding he would be surprised if more than one tenant shared the massive building.

“The only other potential user would be another e-commerce group, and I don’t know how excited they would be to be right next to one another in the same building. My suspicion is that it would be a single user.”

According to the site plan summary, Python LP has entered into an agreement to buy the 64-acre site from Regional Group, although sources say the deal has not yet officially closed. If the project costs of Broccolini’s Boundary Road project are any guideline, the new facility – which is expected to employ more than 1,600 workers in two shifts during peak periods – could have a total price tag of more than half a billion dollars.

While other Ontario cities are already home to large-scale distribution centres – Walmart, for example, has a pair of 1.5-million-square-feet logistics facilities in Cornwall – Hamilton said few other construction projects in Ottawa history could even compare to the scope of the new proposal. The new building would have a larger footprint than the 2.23-million-square-foot former Nortel campus on Carling Avenue, which is now home to the Department of National Defence.

“It’s a completely different league,” Hamilton said.

According to planning documents, the applicants hope to start construction on the project this summer, with full occupancy slated for 2021.

Barrhaven booming

Barrhaven Coun. Jan Harder said the proposal is not a done deal yet, noting it still requires council approval. But she said she is “eternally hopeful” the massive development will come to fruition.

“It’s incredibly exciting,” she said, adding she believes the project could kickstart more new development in the fast-growing suburb. In recent years, the area around Citigate and Strandherd has attracted interest from hotel developers as well as heavy construction firm Tomlinson Group, which constructed its new corporate headquarters in the area. The Myers Automotive Group also floated plans in late 2019 for a new office and dealership just south of the growing Citigate Business Park.

The Barrhaven proposal is not the only plan that aims to add new inventory to an industrial sector that has seen few new builds for the past two decades. Ottawa’s industrial availability rate was less than three per cent at the end of 2019, a near-record low.

Broccolini wants to build a 700,000-square-foot warehouse in North Gower, a project that’s now under review from the province’s Local Appeal Planning Tribunal after it was approved by council last December. And local developer Avenue31 recently filed plans to construct six office and industrial buildings totalling one million square feet on 100 acres of NCC-owned land near the corner of Hunt Club Road and Hwy. 417.

Hamilton said being located just a few hours’ drive from both the Greater Toronto Area and Montreal is a major selling point for the National Capital Region. He said the Ottawa area is drawing the attention of more and more e-commerce companies looking to satisfy growing consumer demand for same-day deliveries to Canada’s two largest urban centres.

“Once you get a few (distribution facilities), you create a critical mass, and then people start to recognize the value of Ottawa’s location,” he said. “You will see more of these coming to Ottawa. I am convinced of that.”

https://obj.ca/article/developer-pla...-business-park
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Developer plans 2.7-million-square-foot industrial building at Barrhaven business park

Project would be nearly three times larger than Amazon warehouse on Boundary Road


David Sali, OBJ
June5, 2020


A developer is planning to construct the largest industrial building in Ottawa at a Barrhaven business park – a 2.7-million-square-foot facility that would be nearly three times larger than the massive Amazon distribution centre on Boundary Road.

A company called Python LP has filed a site plan application to construct the building – which would feature five levels and soar nearly 100 feet high – at 222 Citigate Dr. in the heart of Regional Group’s 170-acre Citigate Business Park, just east of the intersection of Strandherd Drive and Highway 416 in Barrhaven.

The “prestige office and light industrial building,” which is expected to include about 50 truck loading docks and more than 2,000 parking spaces, would easily eclipse the one-million-square-foot Amazon warehouse to become the largest industrial building ever constructed in Ottawa.

Broccolini, the Montreal developer behind the $200-million Amazon project that opened in 2019, is not named in the new application. But three members of the Broccolini family who are also high-level executives at the company that bears their name – CEO John and vice-presidents Joseph and Paul – are directors of a company called Python GP that was federally incorporated at the beginning of March, just weeks before the new application was initially filed.

James Beach, Broccolini’s Ottawa-based director of real estate and development, said he couldn’t comment on whether the company was involved in the project. Officials from Regional Group also refused to comment on the proposal.

Shawn Hamilton, managing director of CBRE’s Ottawa office, noted Broccolini has a track record of building large-scale warehouse facilities that includes the Boundary Road distribution centre and a similar-sized project, also for Amazon, that is slated to open later this summer in Scarborough.

E-commerce potential

While no potential tenants are mentioned in the application, supporting documents say the peak period for the site is expected to run from October to January – coinciding with the busy Christmas shopping season. Experts also note that the site’s easy access to Highway 416 would make it a prime location for a retail distribution centre.

“It’s got e-commerce written all over it,” Hamilton said, adding he would be surprised if more than one tenant shared the massive building.

“The only other potential user would be another e-commerce group, and I don’t know how excited they would be to be right next to one another in the same building. My suspicion is that it would be a single user.”

According to the site plan summary, Python LP has entered into an agreement to buy the 64-acre site from Regional Group, although sources say the deal has not yet officially closed. If the project costs of Broccolini’s Boundary Road project are any guideline, the new facility – which is expected to employ more than 1,600 workers in two shifts during peak periods – could have a total price tag of more than half a billion dollars.

While other Ontario cities are already home to large-scale distribution centres – Walmart, for example, has a pair of 1.5-million-square-feet logistics facilities in Cornwall – Hamilton said few other construction projects in Ottawa history could even compare to the scope of the new proposal. The new building would have a larger footprint than the 2.23-million-square-foot former Nortel campus on Carling Avenue, which is now home to the Department of National Defence.

“It’s a completely different league,” Hamilton said.

According to planning documents, the applicants hope to start construction on the project this summer, with full occupancy slated for 2021.

Barrhaven booming

Barrhaven Coun. Jan Harder said the proposal is not a done deal yet, noting it still requires council approval. But she said she is “eternally hopeful” the massive development will come to fruition.

“It’s incredibly exciting,” she said, adding she believes the project could kickstart more new development in the fast-growing suburb. In recent years, the area around Citigate and Strandherd has attracted interest from hotel developers as well as heavy construction firm Tomlinson Group, which constructed its new corporate headquarters in the area. The Myers Automotive Group also floated plans in late 2019 for a new office and dealership just south of the growing Citigate Business Park.

The Barrhaven proposal is not the only plan that aims to add new inventory to an industrial sector that has seen few new builds for the past two decades. Ottawa’s industrial availability rate was less than three per cent at the end of 2019, a near-record low.

Broccolini wants to build a 700,000-square-foot warehouse in North Gower, a project that’s now under review from the province’s Local Appeal Planning Tribunal after it was approved by council last December. And local developer Avenue31 recently filed plans to construct six office and industrial buildings totalling one million square feet on 100 acres of NCC-owned land near the corner of Hunt Club Road and Hwy. 417.

Hamilton said being located just a few hours’ drive from both the Greater Toronto Area and Montreal is a major selling point for the National Capital Region. He said the Ottawa area is drawing the attention of more and more e-commerce companies looking to satisfy growing consumer demand for same-day deliveries to Canada’s two largest urban centres.

“Once you get a few (distribution facilities), you create a critical mass, and then people start to recognize the value of Ottawa’s location,” he said. “You will see more of these coming to Ottawa. I am convinced of that.”

https://obj.ca/article/developer-pla...-business-park
Unless I'm missing something the details of the end user are very vague and considering this will be 2.7 million ft2 (basically 27 Walmarts) it is barely above the radar in the City. They have been clearing the land as if it is a done deal and I imagine it will be approved but why the secrecy and even the ownership structure. If this was in a more central area you would have all sorts of community groups wanting to know every detail (what colour will the lintels be etc) and the ownership structure.
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I bet the applicant has requested, on behalf of tenant(s), that certain details remain confidential for as long as possible to preserve commercial strategy.
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Oh I'm certain Jan and Jim are out there cutting the trees themselves for more car-centric development...
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I'm not completely against stuff like this, but it's interesting that the biggest box goes to the community with the most big boxes.

I purposely avoid Barrhaven, there's no reason to go unless you live there, or are visiting friends for an afternoon for those friends who are unlucky enough to live out there. It used to be a nice quiet place, but its turned into a copy of central Florida with wide boulevards, traffic, walmarts, and paved surfaces.

Sorry, Barrhaven. Sorry bout it.
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According to CFRA, this is a second Amazon facility: https://twitter.com/CFRAOttawa/statu...67140746694665
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But it was confirmed that the one on Roger Stevens was the Amazon facility:

https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/sho...8&postcount=55

Doesn't even make sense that this would be a backup since it's 4 times the size. Unless it's a shared facility.
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But it was confirmed that the one on Roger Stevens was the Amazon facility:

https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/sho...8&postcount=55

Doesn't even make sense that this would be a backup since it's 4 times the size. Unless it's a shared facility.
Hmmm. Weird. I also note CTV says 450000 square feet.
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Hmmm. Weird. I also note CTV says 450000 square feet.
I am wondering aloud if, the Roger Stevens Proposal is either a)abandoned for this barrhaven one or b) in addition to this announcement but due to easy zoning and approvals, this one made official announcement more easily.

And secondly wondering if there are 2 proposals for Citigate or just one and was shopify never going in there...
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Ottawa Sun reporting as well. It states the facility will be in Barrhaven, but does not specify where. They are also saying 450,000 sqft.

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Amazon planning another warehouse in area, this time in Barrhaven

Megan Gillis, Ottawa Sun
June 30, 2020


E-commerce giant Amazon announced it’s planning to open a second “fulfillment centre” in Ottawa, this time a 450,000-square-foot warehouse at Citigate in Barrhaven.

The company says the warehouse will create more than 1,000 full-time jobs.

Employees at the centre will “work alongside Amazon robotics to pick, pack and ship small items to customers such as books, electronics and toys.”

Slated to open in 2021, it’s Amazon’s eighth facility in Ontario and the company’s 14th fulfillment centre in Canada, the company said in a press release Monday.

Amazon first local warehouse, almost a million square feet on Boundary Road in Carlsbad Springs, opened last year.
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On Facebook Councillor Harder's staff are linking to the Project Python site plan in response to questions on the new Amazon site.
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And secondly wondering if there are 2 proposals for Citigate or just one and was shopify never going in there...
I am wondering this too!

There is a big difference between 450,000 sqft and 2.7 million.

I wonder if this is a second proposal.

Who are CFRA's and The Sun's sources? They aren't quoting anyone specific and are just making vague quotes about a "fulfillment centre" and public information regarding Amazon's wages and benefits.

Something is currently under construction at this site as tree removal, etc is well underway.

Perhaps it was scaled down.

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On Facebook Councillor Harder's staff are linking to the Project Python site plan in response to questions on the new Amazon site.
I'm disappointed. Would have loved to see Shopify take up that entire building.

That leaves a lot of questions. Has the project been scaled back significantly? Will Amazon only occupy a small portion of the building? Does Broccolini have one, or multiple, other tenants in line? Is the North Gower project dead?

I could see Shopify take up the proposed facilities off Hunt Club in the east end.
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On Facebook Councillor Harder's staff are linking to the Project Python site plan in response to questions on the new Amazon site.
450000 square metres? I've seen articles get metres and feet mixed up before. Doesn't quite add up when you convert but might be a possibility.
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450,000 square feet and Citigate location is from the press release.

https://press.aboutamazon.com/news-r...-centre-ottawa

This seems to be the largest parcel available
https://www.citigateottawa.com/#fully-serviced
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450,000 square feet and Citigate location is from the press release.

https://press.aboutamazon.com/news-r...-centre-ottawa

This seems to be the largest parcel available
https://www.citigateottawa.com/#fully-serviced
Thank you for posting this.

Perhaps this will be on the east part of the road that cuts through parcel 13 on the map referenced on citigate's webpage.

I believe the Python project only utilized the west part
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Thank you for posting this.

Perhaps this will be on the east part of the road that cuts through parcel 13 on the map referenced on citigate's webpage.

I believe the Python project only utilized the west part
Python, as proposed takes up the whole space. Unless Amazon builds in the small corner fronting Fallowfield, but I doubt a 450,000 warehouse and associated loading docks/parking would fit.

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Project Python is a light industrial building proposed on an expansive lot with the municipal address of 222 CitiGate Drive in the CitiGate Corporate Business Park at Fallowfield
Road and Highway 416.

The building itself has 5 levels with a total floor area of almost 250,000m2 and a height of close to 30m. A building of this scale, in this context, requires some careful and creative
design gestures to make it successful. We were inspired by the CitiGate Corporate Business Park design guidelines and chose to emulate the natural rock stratification prevalent in
the area, as seen clearly in the rock cuts along the 416. The full height precast concrete envelope of the building is similarly striated with alternate bands of light and dark gray
finish and deep reveals. The dark precast concrete base is redolent of the underlying bedrock.

The impressive scale of the building is seemingly reduced by articulating the facades with vertical projections that enclose stair and elevator shafts and other service spaces
relevant to the process within. These are accentuated in dark gray to further enhance the articulation, and stair towers and break rooms are fully glazed both to provide
transparency from the exterior and to provide daylight to the spaces where it is not limited by the operational requirements.

The prestige office component on the ground floor is fully glazed and broken up by brightly coloured canopies that relate to the entrances and the large cafeteria, thereby
providing a warm and inviting presence at the pedestrian scale.

Architect: GKC Architects


Development application:
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