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Global real estate firm Spaces takes six floors at 66 Slater in downtown tech play

Craig Lord, OBJ
July 3, 2019


An international commercial real estate company has taken a sizeable chunk of space in a downtown office building as it looks to tap into the rising demand for modern workspaces coveted by the city’s growing urban tech firms.

Spaces, a division of Amsterdam-based parent company International Workplace Group, announced Wednesday it has signed a lease for the first six floors at 66 Slater St. in Ottawa. Slated for opening in October, the firm will be working with building owner KingSett Capital and property manager Colonnade BridgePort to fit-up the 75,000 square feet of space as a co-working environment for private-sector clients.


66 Slater St. File photo

Though the move will be the first Spaces location for IWG in Ottawa, the company’s Regus brand already operates co-working space at the Fairmont Chateau Laurier, Preston Square and a building at Albert & Metcalfe.

While Regus offices typically have a smaller footprint and traditional drywall office layouts, Wayne Berger – IWG’s chief executive in Canada and Latin America – tells OBJ the Spaces brand is more open-concept, using glass finishes and numerous different workplace styles to create the feeling of an “ecosystem.” The company’s space at 66 Slater will include individual offices and meeting rooms as well as cafes, event space and soft-seating arrangements to cater to a variety of workers’ needs. Tenants’ leases can range from monthly deals to multi-year agreements.


An existing Spaces workplace in Toronto. Photo provided.

IWG has some 130 flexible workplaces featuring more than three million square feet of space across Canada. The firm already works with KingSett as a strategic partner in numerous properties across its portfolio, and when it came time to expand to Ottawa, 66 Slater St. was a logical match for Spaces’ needs.

Berger believes the Spaces style of flexible workspace, even more so than the Regus approach, is especially suited to Ottawa’s burgeoning downtown tech scene.

“What we're seeing right now in Ottawa is just a fascinating change and evolution in the city,” says Berger, himself a native of the capital.

Tech displacing federal government

Berger is referring to a shift in the downtown real estate market driven by tech firms the likes of Shopify, which are increasingly coveting office space in the core previously occupied by the federal government. Local real estate experts have called the newfound prominence of startups a “sea change” in a market previously dominated by the feds.

Hugh Gorman, CEO of Colonnade BridgePort, says 66 Slater St. is a microcosm of Ottawa’s downtown shift. While the 22-storey building near the corner of Elgin and Slater streets had been largely filled with federal government tenants since its construction in 1970, the property manager has been actively marketing the property to private-sector tenants in recent years to diversify its occupancy.

That hasn’t been a straightforward pitch, however. Tech-sector tenants have been wary about taking up space in a building heavy with government branding, Gorman says. The ground floor of 66 Slater was previously occupied by a Department of National Defence recruitment office – he notes that while the feds are often reliable, long-term tenants, that doesn’t mean they always create the right impression of a building to prospective companies.

“What was missing was the positioning of the asset in the marketplace, so that people really understood what was going on,” Gorman says.

Repositioning the property

KingSett Capital has since reinvested in the building’s infrastructure, including improvements to the high-speed internet access – critical to many tech firms. Colonnade BridgePort has also been on a marketing campaign, speaking to Ottawa realtors about what the repositioned 66 Slater can offer their clients.

On the leasing side, Gorman says Colonnade attempted to move government tenants into “pockets” of the building and consolidate empty floors to attract rapidly growing tech firms that often need options to expand.

The building is mostly occupied now, Gorman says, though the firm is in the midst of lease negotiations and continues to market the office tower space. Roughly 60 per cent of the building remains federally leased, though Colonnade’s goal is a 50-50 split between public- and private-sector tenants.

The new strategy showed early signs of success in attracting OneEleven, the Toronto-based accelerator company, to land its Ottawa expansion on 66 Slater’s third floor with 12,000 square feet of space and options for two additional floors. That lease ended up being short-lived, as OneEleven announced in May it was shuttering its Ottawa and London outposts to refocus on the Toronto market.

While Berger did not comment on whether the company would negotiate terms with OneEleven portfolio of Ottawa startups, he says many of those firms are “excited” about Spaces coming to the capital and it would look to “support” them in their growth.

Berger says he’s looking forward to the coming transformation of Spaces’ spaces as a chance to continue 66 Slater’s evolution. The lobby area, previously occupied by DND, will have a new “energy” when Spaces is through with it, he says.

“We have an opportunity ... to put a new facade onto the building, and change the experience as people are walking in.”

Beyond 66 Slater, Berger says Ottawa-Gatineau remains a priority market for the company. He says IWG will have further announcements about Spaces’ plans for other properties in the National Capital Region in the coming months.
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Ottawa office vacancy rate hits eight-year low in Q2 2019

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July 9, 2019


Ottawa’s office market continued to tighten in the first half of the year, with vacancy rates reaching their lowest levels since 2011, according to CBRE’s quarterly report on Canada’s commercial real estate markets.

The brokerage firm reported that Ottawa’s citywide office vacancy rate dropped to seven per cent in the second quarter of 2019, down from 7.5 per cent the previous quarter and 9.9 per cent a year ago. The three-month period ending June 30 marked Ottawa’s seventh consecutive quarter of decline, which CBRE attributed to increased interest in the local market with limited new supply.

The central business district was among the most active submarkets in Ottawa with a vacancy rate of 6.7 per cent – the area’s lowest point since the start of 2013. CBRE notes the unavailability of class-A space in the CBD has led some tenants, particularly urban tech firms, to compromise on class-C buildings. As a result, class-C vacancy in the downtown submarket hit a seven-year low of 11.7 per cent.

Ottawa’s east-end has been a hotbed of activity in the past year, CBRE notes. With its limited supply of space, the eastern suburbs of the city posted a vacancy rate of 9.6 per cent in the quarter, down a full 10 percentage points year-over-year.

On the other end of the city, Kanata also continued to tighten on office space. Vacancy rates hit 6.9 per cent in the quarter, the submarket’s lowest point in the past decade.

Ottawa’s industrial market saw a slight increase in availability this past quarter, with the vacancy rate rising 20 basis points to 2.4 per cent. CBRE notes that the market remains in short supply of large blocks of space, with minimal options greater than 20,000 square feet and none offering more than 50,000 square feet.

CBRE projects that new construction in this sector would require “as-of-yet untested” rent increases in the market, and predicts tenants will continue to struggle to find suitable industrial space in the remainder of 2019.
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Ottawa is poised to grow and meet new work force demand

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PUBLISHED January 7, 2020



Ashley Hopkins, left, president and CEO of Paradigm Properties, with Shawn Hamilton, senior VP and managing director, CBRE Ottawa at an Ottawa LRT station on Nov. 14, 2019.

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On any given weekday, you might find Ashley Hopkins aboard one of Ottawa’s new light-rail trains on her way to an important meeting downtown. This may seem like a mundane occurrence, but in the nation’s capital, it’s a sign of a city on the rise.

Ms. Hopkins, the president and chief executive officer of Ottawa’s Paradigm Properties Inc., has been with the commercial property management firm for nearly a decade. She says the conversation in Ottawa has shifted dramatically over the past few years from if the city can meet the rising demands of its residents, to how much more can it do.

“It has a lot to do with the LRT and the announcement that the City [of Ottawa] is working in conjunction with developers for intensification,” Ms. Hopkins says. “Just by saying they are interested in intensification, is saying they are open to the ideas never considered before.”

As a result of recent investments in light-rail transit (LRT) and other new infrastructure, Ottawa seems poised at last to step out of the long shadows cast by Toronto and Montreal.

Transit investment paves path for growth


Although marred by technical issues since its launch, Ms. Hopkins maintains that the LRT will be an important puzzle piece in Ottawa’s continued growth.

The $2.1-billion system opened in September with 12 new stops running East-West through downtown, complementing the five existing O-Train stops that run North-South.

“At the end of the day, this first stage has already shown people the possibilities of what this city could do,” Ms. Hopkins says.

Ottawa hasn’t seen such an impactful piece of transportation infrastructure since the construction of the Rideau Canal nearly 200 years ago, according to Shawn Hamilton, senior vice-president and managing director of CBRE Group Inc. in Ottawa.

At that time, no one knew exactly where the Rideau Canal would enter Ottawa’s downtown or how much of an impact it would ultimately have on business and transportation, Mr. Hamilton says.

“With the LRT today, Ottawa is again at a crossroads of positivity,” he says.

Ottawa’s work force is poised to grow

As the Greater Ottawa Area has grown to a population of 1.5 million, the technology industry has kept pace, expanding to fill the spaces left by recent government downsizing.

Now, however, the government’s work force is on the upswing. In fact, 2017 saw a record-high number of public administrators – more than 167,000 employed by the federal government in the National Capital Region. In addition, Mr. Hamilton says, a confluence of well-timed events – a thriving tech scene, multiple postsecondary institutions, easy access to green space, and new municipal infrastructure such as a new library and new hospital coming down the pipe – have contributed to an upward spiral for the city.

“I’m hard-pressed to find a strike against us for growth,” Mr. Hamilton says. Ironically, he adds, the very pace of that growth is a factor that may be holding the city back. It may take three years before new developments are in place to accommodate expanding businesses, he says, and in a world where speed-to-market is key, Ottawa could miss its chance.

Ottawa’s overall vacancy rate for office space, per CBRE data and including industrial space, is at a record low. The large blocks of space that do exist in Kanata, just west of downtown and long known as a technology centre, in the suburbs, and in the downtown core are scarce.

Flexible space creates opportunities

For now, with no option but to wait for downtown development to catch up, Ottawa finds itself reluctantly at the forefront of the flexible real estate trend in Canada.

Currently, flexible office arrangements account for 276,000 square feet of downtown office space – just 0.7 per cent of the total – but there has also been a 96-per-cent increase in total available square footage since 2017.

“The problem is that the [new] buildings are big and expensive. There is a risk, and are global companies going to invest in Ottawa? Or are they going to invest in Toronto, Vancouver or Montreal? And this is part of where the education comes in,” Mr. Hamilton says. “There are numerous grassroots business groups banging the drum, but Ottawa needs to be regarded in the same level as those cities.”

Despite the perceived lack of space, businesses are still taking notice of Ottawa’s new role as a global development hub in technology. There are more than 1,800 technology companies active in the city and, at approximately 44 per cent, Ottawa’s tech job density in 2017 almost matched that of San Francisco, according to CBRE data collected from that year.

But since Ottawa is already known as a “government town,” it’s become hard to get out of that bubble and be known for anything else, according to Michael Tremblay, CEO of Invest Ottawa.

Mr. Tremblay says the LRT will help open up the city like never before, as technology hubs in Kanata will soon be connected to Bayview Yards, a new area just west of the downtown core that is primed for development as an innovation village, and will ultimately drive even more international interest.

Aurrigo, Britain’s leading self-driving firm, has already announced plans to open its first Canadian location in Ottawa.

“Bayview will be the centre of the development,” Mr. Tremblay says. “We’re super excited right now.”

City planners have already recognized the need for a solid future vision and a brand-new draft of the official plan is expected to be announced by city council in June of this year, with the final version expected to be adopted in March, 2021.

“We are very much looking beyond the tip of our nose in terms of how we want to position ourselves,” says Alain Miguelez, manager of policy planning for the City of Ottawa.

For so long, he says, Ottawa was self-deprecating – the “forgotten one” between Toronto and Montreal. Now, as a mega-region home to more than 15 million people, he says he’s hopeful the trio of cities will work closer together.

“If Canada has an urban block that competes on the global stage, it’s this corridor,” he says, “and we’re in the middle of it.”

Key pillars for Ottawa’s future, Mr. Miguelez says, will form around the expansion of the downtown core. “We want to grow the geography of the city where people can function without a car and the enormous impact of the LRT.”

Much of the city’s development policies, he says, are converging for the new official plan.

Ms. Hopkins and Mr. Hamilton both say that the excitement from their clients and fellow business leaders in the city is palpable. The conversations, Ms. Hopkins says, are over. Now it’s about getting shovels in the ground and seeing how quickly Ottawa, once a seemingly forgotten city between two giants, can grow.

“For so long you’ve had investors and people who work in our industry calling us the ‘sleepy town’ or ‘the place Canada forgot’ and everything moves past us,” Ms. Hopkins says. “All these puzzle pieces are coming together and turning us into something that’s actually on the map.”
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What the hell is wrong with developers in this city!? The issue with lack of office space has been in the news over and over the last couple years. Build something already!!

Zibi is currently building a few hundred thousand square feet of space, but that's far from enough to meet demand. Most has already been snapped-up. Considering the success Morguard had with 150 Elgin as a speculative build, you would think another developer would jump at the chance to do the same.

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David Sali
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January 14, 2020


Commercial tenants struggling to find room to grow in Ottawa’s tight office market likely won’t have a much easier task this year than they did in 2019, according to a new forecast from one of Canada’s largest commercial real estate firms.

Avison Young says continued growth in private-sector employment should keep office vacancy rates hovering below five per cent in the downtown core and south of seven per cent in Kanata, where many firms in the booming tech sector are bursting at the seams.

The company says office vacancy rates in the capital “are expected to decline through 2020,” and the managing director of Avison Young’s Ottawa office says he sees little relief in sight for space-strapped tenants.

“Somebody’s going to have to build something,” Michael Church told OBJ on Tuesday. “It’s just hard to find (space). It’s a challenge.”

Much of the space at new projects under development in the west end, such as Cominar’s new building at 800 Palladium Dr. ​– where Ford is expanding its local R&D facilities ​– and Kinaxis’s new headquarters in the Kanata West Business Park, is already spoken for, Church noted.

Meanwhile, many smaller firms are having a hard time carving out new space where they can expand their operations.

Developers are “all waiting for … that 50- or 60,000-thousand (square-foot tenant),” he said. “But those don’t come on trees.”

Apartment boom to continue

Avison Young also expects the recent wave of multi-residential apartment construction to keep rolling in 2020 and beyond as developers scramble to address pent-up demand in a city with a rental vacancy rate of below two per cent.

“Once these projects are completed, increased trading activity in this asset class is expected,” the report says.

Church said Ottawa’s available stock of residential and commercial development land inside the Greenbelt is quickly evaporating, adding he expects to see record prices for any parcels that do come on the market, especially those located near Ottawa’s two light rail lines.

“Ottawa, we’re still poised for what I would call some pretty good growth opportunities,” he said. “I would love to see an acceleration of phase two of the LRT. The thing was designed for 40-plus stops, not 12. We know what's happening in those nodal areas that are going to be serviced by LRT when they’re finished.

“At the end of the day, people have to live somewhere. There’s room (for growth) there for sure.”

Avison Young also says it expects the city’s industrial vacancy rate to continue to hover around 1.3 per cent in 2020, making Ottawa one of the tightest markets in the country. Noting that little space is likely to return to the industrial pool this year, the company says rental rates will “remain high and are likely to increase for the foreseeable future.”

Church said he thinks a growing push for more locally sourced food among environmentally conscious consumers could lead to new industrial facilities that cater to hydroponics and other green industries.

“I think you’ll see some more development around sustainability,” he said. “I don’t know what it is with industrial in Ottawa. We don’t build (industrial property) on spec.”

On the retail front, Avison Young says Ottawa’s market “continues to evolve with the planned re-purposing of several neighbourhood shopping centres into mixed-use redevelopment projects,” such as RioCan’s proposal to demolish Lincoln Fields Shopping Centre and replace it with a mix of retail, commercial and residential space.

Church said the rise of e-commerce has left retail landlords in a state of flux.

“If nothing crazy happens, I think you can expect continued modest growth in all facets of commercial real estate in Ottawa with the possible exception of retail,” he explained. “It’s still trying to find its level, given the new reality.”
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February 25, 2020


A lack of available office space in Ottawa’s downtown core ranks Canada’s capital among the hardest cities in North America for tenants to find centrally located real estate, according to a new report from CBRE.

In the real estate services firm’s 2020 forecast, CBRE notes that Ottawa’s downtown core, which currently sports an office vacancy rate of 6.5 per cent, is among the six tightest markets in North America. The capital’s downtown vacancy rate is tighter than U.S. cities such as Charlotte and Boston, but has a higher vacancy rate than major cities such as Toronto, Vancouver and San Francisco.

CBRE does not expect relief in downtown Ottawa any time soon. The firm projects vacancy rates in the city’s central business district will dip as low as 5.2 per cent in 2020. Net asking rents for class-A space in the downtown core is expected to climb from $24.05 per square foot to $25.25 in the year ahead.

CBRE is forecasting a similar story in suburban Ottawa markets such as Kanata. The suburbs posted a vacancy rate of 6.2 per cent at the tail end of 2019, which CBRE expects to fall to five per cent over the course of 2020. Class-A space here was rented at a net of $15.67 per square foot last year, a figure CBRE expects to rise to $16.50 in 2020.

Both the downtown and suburban commercial markets have minimal supply expected to come online in the year ahead.

CBRE wrote in its report that aging federal office space and a booming tech sector are expected to continue to drive demand in Ottawa over the course of the year.

Nationally, CBRE said Canada could see a record-breaking $50-billion worth of investment in commercial real estate this year as macroeconomic tailwinds and immigration policies support the booming sector.

The firm said the investment would be about $5 billion higher than 2019 and about a billion dollars higher than the record set in 2018.

Heightened interest in the market is also creating challenges, including rising rents and limited office and industrial space.

CBRE said prime office rents jumped by 20.9 per cent in Vancouver between 2018 and 2019, 14.2 per cent in Montreal, and 10.1 per cent in Toronto, while national industrial rents rose by 12.3 per cent between the two years for the largest increase on record.

It said the combination of challenges has the potential of slowing momentum in the commercial real estate sector.

The coronavirus outbreak is also creating uncertainty, but the firm said that if it is relatively contained sometime in March, then the impacts on the Canadian economy and commercial real estate would be noticeable in the near term but less substantive over the year.

– With files from Canadian Press
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We're overdue to add some office space in the core. The last real additions were the two on Elgin and those have been completed several years ago...

Tight supply is not a good thing, prices go up driving some companies away or detracting them from setting up shop in Ottawa.
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We're overdue to add some office space in the core. The last real additions were the two on Elgin and those have been completed several years ago...

Tight supply is not a good thing, prices go up driving some companies away or detracting them from setting up shop in Ottawa.
I bet the developers of Performance Court are bitter about the height reduction.
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I bet the developers of Performance Court are bitter about the height reduction.
Height reduction?
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Height reduction?
Morguard's original proposal was for a 27 story tower with a concert hall. They scrapped the concert hall and reduce the height to 21 floors. They leased out the entire building pretty much right away and could easily have filled an extra six floors.
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Morguard's original proposal was for a 27 story tower with a concert hall. They scrapped the concert hall and reduce the height to 21 floors. They leased out the entire building pretty much right away and could easily have filled an extra six floors.
I thought that was what you referring to.

The original proposal was residential. When the concert hall was dropped, they decided to build an office tower instead. The new project was pretty much the same height but, because office floor plates require more floor-to-ceiling heights, the amount of floors was reduced. I don't think they could have built any higher on that site due to the NCC viewplanes.
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I thought that was what you referring to.

The original proposal was residential. When the concert hall was dropped, they decided to build an office tower instead. The new project was pretty much the same height but, because office floor plates require more floor-to-ceiling heights, the amount of floors was reduced. I don't think they could have built any higher on that site due to the NCC viewplanes.
Cool I didn't remember that so I checked the thread and it was originally planned to be a mixed use development with both office and residential. Anyways, the current building could have at least 3 more floors and still be lateral with the roof of Place Bell so they definitely didn't go for the maximum height they could have with the redesign.
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Morguard's original proposal was for a 27 story tower with a concert hall. They scrapped the concert hall and reduce the height to 21 floors. They leased out the entire building pretty much right away and could easily have filled an extra six floors.
Agreed - instead Shopify (main tenant of 150 Elgin) had to lease out almost the entire former 24 floor edc building at 234 Laurier for anticipated growth .. they are filling it a floor at a time post renovations and as hiring warrants ...and are up to 6 floors and counting in the 2nd tower
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Here's a trend that's got to be worrying to large commercial landlords, like KRP:


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April 30, 2020 -- 21:21 GMT (14:21 PDT)


OpenText is making a move that many enterprises may be making as it permanently shutters offices to opt for a hybrid model for work.

Mark Barrenechea, OpenText CEO and CTO, outlined the COVID-19 inspired hybrid work model as the company reported its third quarter earnings. Barrenechea said:

"At OpenText, the last two months have also been an experiment in remote work at scale. Over the course of one week, more than 95% of OpenText employees moved to remote work and have maintained productivity throughout.

Given this, OpenText will not reopen approximately 50% of our offices and will institute a hybrid model with those employees continuing to work from home. These are smaller offices and will be closed permanently. Our corporate offices, our centers of excellence, innovation centers and country head offices will re-open when we are able to do so."

Barrenechea is saying out loud what a lot of C-level executives are thinking. The new normal will require less commercial real estate as the capital expenses required can be deployed elsewhere. PwC's CFO surveys have found executives are increasingly eyeing remote work as a permanent fixture.

OpenText's real estate plan is part of a larger restructuring. The company said it will spend about $80 million to $100 million on streamlining operations, cutting an undermined number of positions and consolidating functions. The restructuring moves should save $65 million to $75 million annually.

The company ended the quarter with $1.45 billion in cash but drew down on its $600 million credit revolver. OpenText also raised $1.8 billion to refinance existing debt at low interest rates. OpenText has largely grown via acquisitions and growing its cloud portfolio.

OpenText reported third quarter earnings of 10 cents a share on revenue of $814.7 million with cloud services and subscriptions representing $339.5 million of sales. Non-GAAP earnings were 61 cents a share.

In addition, OpenText outlined a partnership with Amazon Web Services.

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I wonder if this affects their Ottawa office?


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I don't think the government will change much, but the private sector tech industry will definitely shift hard towards more WFH, I think. The Kanata North business park might see a big drop in office demand.
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I wonder if this affects their Ottawa office?


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Seems likely.
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I don't think the government will change much, but the private sector tech industry will definitely shift hard towards more WFH, I think. The Kanata North business park might see a big drop in office demand.
Government changes at a snail pace like a slow turning tugboat. Nobody joins the government for radical change and a fly by the seat of your pants work environment.
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So commercial developers' reluctance to pull the trigger on more office space pays off at the end...

The Feds flawed model to save office space is too cram as many people as possible in each building, resulting in horrible, unhealthy environments and increased stress leave.
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Government changes at a snail pace like a slow turning tugboat. Nobody joins the government for radical change and a fly by the seat of your pants work environment.
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generalize and stereotype much?
He's not that wrong though. I've worked for the federal government most of my IT career and it's next to impossible to get significant changes done quickly.
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He's not that wrong though. I've worked for the federal government most of my IT career and it's next to impossible to get significant changes done quickly.
It's a big ship. They rushed in Phoenix. Look how that worked out.
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