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Old Posted Oct 26, 2015, 8:43 AM
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So...post-ELXN42, now what?
The Liberals have committed to stop ending door to door delivery. Seems like an easy and relatively cheap promise to fulfill so would be surprised if they don't.
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So...post-ELXN42, now what?
Government will do a review, it will discover that revenues are plunging and will not come back and either the government has to subsidize Canada post or cost savings (such as ending home delivery) have to be found. Government will probably choose the latter.
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Government will do a review, it will discover that revenues are plunging and will not come back and either the government has to subsidize Canada post or cost savings (such as ending home delivery) have to be found. Government will probably choose the latter.
Actually, an easy way to save money would be to cut home delivery back to 2 or 3 times a week.
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Old Posted Oct 26, 2015, 3:28 PM
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A lot of neighborhoods (mine included) have already been flipped over to CMBs... so I doubt very much that decision will be reversed. Honestly I (and many of my neighbors) wouldn't want it reversed.

I think the way out of this for all concerned is to "freeze" or "limit" the conversion still pending. I've been hearing rumblings from within Canada Post that the dense inner-city neighborhoods (Centertown, Byward Market, Lowertown, etc) might be more trouble than they are worth to convert (at least in the short term).

Win, win - new PM gets to say he "stopped it in its tracks", Canada Post can arguably optimize conversion costs, and the 4% of people to whom this is an issue can get some satisfaction.
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Old Posted Oct 26, 2015, 3:53 PM
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I've been hearing rumblings from within Canada Post that the dense inner-city neighborhoods (Centertown, Byward Market, Lowertown, etc) might be more trouble than they are worth to convert (at least in the short term).
I agree with that. I live in such a neighbourhood and there just isn't the empty space to put community mailboxes.
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Old Posted Oct 26, 2015, 9:23 PM
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I agree with that. I live in such a neighbourhood and there just isn't the empty space to put community mailboxes.
I'm in Westboro and am actually quite impressed how they put all those boxes in without "too much" controversy. Nobody I know really has any complaints.

I certainly can see it being more problematic in denser neighbourhoods though.

All that said... there was just breaking news on CBC about 5 minutes ago saying that the entire program was being suspended
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Canada Post halts transition to community mailboxes

Jason Fekete, Ottawa Citizen
Published on: October 26, 2015 | Last Updated: October 26, 2015 5:49 PM EDT


Canada Post is temporarily suspending its plans to transition from door-to-door mail delivery to community mailboxes as it works out a way forward with a new Liberal government that has promised to halt the process.

The Crown Corporation announced Monday afternoon it’s working to put the program on hold “in an orderly fashion” for approximately 460,000 addresses across the country that are currently being converted to community mailboxes.

Justin Trudeau’s Liberals promised in their election platform to “save home mail delivery.”

A new Liberal government will “stop Stephen Harper’s plan to end door-to-door mail delivery in Canada” and launch a review of Canada Post to ensure it provides “high-quality service at a reasonable price to Canadians, no matter where they live,” the party said in its platform.

In response, the Crown Corporation is putting the brakes on the process for the time being.

“Canada Post is temporarily suspending future deployment of the program to convert door-to-door mail delivery to community mailboxes. We will work collaboratively with the Government of Canada to determine the best path forward given the ongoing challenges faced by the Canadian postal system,” Canada Post said in a news release.

“Efforts are now underway to place the comprehensive program on hold in an orderly fashion. This involves roughly 460,000 addresses across the country which are currently in the process to be converted to community mailboxes.”

The temporary suspension of the program won’t help thousands of households in Ottawa and other communities whose mail was delivered to the community mailboxes for the first time on Monday.

All conversions planned for November and December 2015 and those announced for 2016 will be placed on hold. Those customers affected by the decision will receive a letter in the next few weeks explaining the status of their mail delivery, Canada Post said in the news release.

However, in neighbourhoods where the conversion to community mailboxes is complete, customers will continue to collect mail at the community boxes.

“This includes customers set to begin receiving their mail and parcels in their boxes in October,” the release says.

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I'm in Westboro and am actually quite impressed how they put all those boxes in without "too much" controversy. Nobody I know really has any complaints.

I certainly can see it being more problematic in denser neighbourhoods though.

All that said... there was just breaking news on CBC about 5 minutes ago saying that the entire program was being suspended
For me it is not about the location of the boxes or the density of the neighborhoods. In pedestrian oriented areas it can be really annoying to have to go out of your way to pick up mail in winter when mostly there is nothing of note anyway. I walk to work and walk to just about everything else and if they put a super mailbox a few blocks in the other direction it would be a bit inconvenient. Most of my mail is online shopping and I would probably avoid using Canada Post in lieu of UPS or Fedex who will still deliver to my door.

Is this issue the end of the world, no. But in terms of things that cost a few million dollars a year I would prefer home delivery over a lot of other Liberal platform promises.
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For me it is not about the location of the boxes or the density of the neighborhoods. In pedestrian oriented areas it can be really annoying to have to go out of your way to pick up mail in winter when mostly there is nothing of note anyway. I walk to work and walk to just about everything else and if they put a super mailbox a few blocks in the other direction it would be a bit inconvenient. Most of my mail is online shopping and I would probably avoid using Canada Post in lieu of UPS or Fedex who will still deliver to my door.
Most CMBs in Westboro are within 1/2 a block of each house... I'm exceptionally lucky that mine is directly across the street.

Would FedEx or UPS leave it on your doorstep if you are not there? What I like about the CMBs is there is a large drop box for oversized parcels that I order online... FedEx and UPS can't do that.

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Is this issue the end of the world, no. But in terms of things that cost a few million dollars a year I would prefer home delivery over a lot of other Liberal platform promises.
It's certainly not the end of the world for me either.... but on CTV today they mention CMBs will save 1/2 Billion $ per year...

so the truth is apparently between "a few million" and "1/2 Billion"... which either way is raw tax money going to support unwanted ad-mail to my house.
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I had to pick up a parcel at the UPS office (not exactly convenient compared to the Post Office) and you should have heard the issues that others were having. It was not a glowing recommendation.
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Would FedEx or UPS leave it on your doorstep if you are not there? What I like about the CMBs is there is a large drop box for oversized parcels that I order online... FedEx and UPS can't do that
UPS will for sure, if you sign the waiver. They will leave anything on your step as long as you gave them the okay to do so. I am not sure on FedEx...

I have only ever had CMBs my whole life (well PO Box and the CMBs). I've always found them convenient and easy to use. Agree about the parcel delivery boxes... very convenient indeed.

If they can save even $1 then I say do it... but if there are no savings (long term), then I don't see the point. It has to be remembered that to achieve long term savings there will be some extra up front costs.
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So do new sub-divisions receive home delivery now or do they get the CMBs like everyone else.

This whole argument about the elderly not getting their cheques because of lack of home delivery is such bullshit.
It was (and still is) a 26 km round trip for some of us in our region to get our mail. And for everyone in town there is only one place to pick up the mail which is the post office. And who gets cheques in mail anymore? Every elderly person I know is on direct deposit for everything.
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So do new sub-divisions receive home delivery now or do they get the CMBs like everyone else.

This whole argument about the elderly not getting their cheques because of lack of home delivery is such bullshit.
It was (and still is) a 26 km round trip for some of us in our region to get our mail. And for everyone in town there is only one place to pick up the mail which is the post office. And who gets cheques in mail anymore? Every elderly person I know is on direct deposit for everything.
New subdivisions will continue to get CMBs, like they have for many years. Some key differences between new communities and existing ones is that the new communities are designed with the placement of these boxes in mind, and buyers in these new communities can purchase homes with the prior knowledge of where the boxes will be located.
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I get my mail delivered to a community mailbox, and it doesn't bother me one bit. If it saves Canada Post some money, then why not?!
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How Canada Post might cope with halt to community mailbox program

James Bagnall, Ottawa Citizen
Published on: October 27, 2015 | Last Updated: October 27, 2015 5:08 PM EDT


We will stop Stephen Harper’s plan to end door-to-door mail delivery in Canada and undertake a new review of Canada Post to make sure that it provides high-quality service at a reasonable price to Canadians, no matter where they live. – The Liberal Party election promise.

Canada Post president Deepak Chopra knew this was a possibility – that a Liberal government would arrive midway through his plan to keep the Crown Corporation on a profitable track through to 2019.

Early this week, well before the swearing-in of Justin Trudeau as prime minister set for Nov. 4, Chopra announced Canada Post would halt plans to terminate door-to-door delivery to the one in three Canadians who still receive their mail this way.

Chopra did so knowing full well what the move would cost. That’s how it is when you’re running a government-owned operation. (Chopra’s initial five-year contract had been due to expire Jan. 31, 2016, but the Conservatives renewed it last August, effective Feb. 1.)

The question is: How will Canada Post make up the lost potential savings? The Liberals promised a “new review” of the Crown corporation’s operations but this appears to be little more than temporary political cover.

After all, the problems at Canada Post have been studied endlessly and are well-known. The company adds more than 150,000 new addresses annually as new residences and businesses are built, but delivers fewer pieces of mail to each recipient as Internet banking and email take over. The result: the cost to deliver each piece of mail is rising inexorably.

Two years ago, Canada Post launched its most recent plan, which contained a five-part strategy for keeping the corporation (barely) profitable. The core element was the shift away from door-to-door delivery (which costs $289 per year for each address) to community mailboxes ($111 annually per address).

An estimated 4.2 million Canadians still enjoy door-to-door delivery, or roughly 27 per cent of the total, compared to five million who get their mail through community boxes, or 32 per cent. (The remainder receive mail through work, rural routes, apartment blocks or a post office.) Canada Post reckons it could eventually save $750 million annually, assuming full conversion to community mailboxes.

That’s a very big number for a corporation that averaged paper-thin profits of just $3 million per year from 2011 to 2014 on annual revenues of nearly $8 billion.

The question is, how will Chopra make up the potential savings the Liberals have effectively stripped away?

Some clues can be found in the remaining four points of his 2013 plan to put the corporation on more solid financial footing. Unfortunately, none offers the kind of robust savings of the community mailbox program. The four other strategies include:
  • Raising prices. While Canada Post has been free to raise stamp prices in line with inflation since 2010, more aggressive hikes risk exacerbating the trend towards email and other forms of electronic communication.
  • Increasing the number of franchises. This process is already well underway, with many urban areas well served. Nevertheless, the potential for increasing revenues through heightened convenience is there.
  • Streamlining operations. The company is automating many aspects of mail processing but it could also realize significant savings by consolidating its 21 mail processing plants, as Ian Lee, assistant professor at the Sprott School of Business at Carleton University, pointed out in a recent report for the Macdonald-Laurier Institute.
  • Reducing labour costs. Obviously this is not a popular option for Canada Post’s heavily unionized workforce. The Crown corporation predicts 15,000 of its 65,000 workers will retire by 2019 – and perhaps half of these will not be replaced.

These options – even when combined – aren’t expected to generate enough savings on their own to keep Canada Post profitable. Which leaves a separate possibility for the incoming Liberal administration: it could deal with increased deficits by forking over the money directly from general tax revenues. Whether that would be seen in the same light as the Liberals’ promised infrastructure investments is simply unknown.

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[B][SIZE="4"]We will stop Stephen Harper’s plan to end door-to-door mail delivery in Canada and undertake a new review of Canada Post to make sure that it provides high-quality service at a reasonable price to Canadians, no matter where they live.[/I] – The Liberal Party election promise.

I guess the actual fact that the decision to end door to door service was made, and approved, under the Chretien Gov't got lost on a few partisans.
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Their mistake to begin with. Harper's was to further the process with his usual style.
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Their mistake to begin with. Harper's was to further the process with his usual style.

Canada Post made the decision themselves. Harper did not push them along into it.

Sometimes the fiction here is remarkable.
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Their mistake to begin with. Harper's was to further the process with his usual style.
How much do you want stamps to cost?
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I think Community Mail boxes are inevitable, however, is it really a good idea to put them into dense neighbourhoods, where you will be placing them everywhere?
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