HomeDiagramsDatabaseMapsForum About
     

Go Back   SkyscraperPage Forum > Discussion Forums > Transportation


Reply

 
Thread Tools Display Modes
     
     
  #1  
Old Posted Dec 30, 2009, 8:27 PM
amor de cosmos amor de cosmos is offline
BANNED
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: lodged against an abutment
Posts: 7,556
Gondolas and aerial tramways in cities

I found a thing in the Toronto Star about this. Could it work? It could be a bit like the rooftop-to-rooftop helicopter system in Sao Paulo, except cheaper & maybe(?) safer

Quote:
Gondolas, he says, can cross water or 400-series highways without the expense of bridges. They can run less frequently over low-density areas and more often in highly populated districts. They can be beautiful, don't take up much more space than a telephone pole or light standard, require limited land and don't conflict with traffic.
Quote:
"I would love to see a top-supported system (gondolas) run along the Don Valley or Humber Valley," said Dale.

"There's a system in Asia where one of the stations is located in a skyscraper. The technology is incredibly flexible."
That guy Steve Dale also has a blog called the Gondola Project, which has more details.




Last edited by amor de cosmos; Dec 31, 2009 at 5:36 AM. Reason: included aerial tramways in title
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #2  
Old Posted Dec 30, 2009, 8:36 PM
ue ue is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 8,984
Woah that looks pretty awesome! The only urban gondola I know of is Pittsburgh (although is that really gondola...I don't know) and Sao Paolo.

Edmonton had a plan for something like Pittsburgh's to bring people from the bottom of the river valley to the top (downtown), I think funding was approved, but we haven't heard anything since.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #3  
Old Posted Dec 30, 2009, 8:39 PM
Bootstrap Bill Bootstrap Bill is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 366
How does the cost per mile compare with streetcar or light rail systems?
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #4  
Old Posted Dec 30, 2009, 8:45 PM
Bootstrap Bill Bootstrap Bill is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 366
Quote:
Originally Posted by edmontonenthusiast View Post
Woah that looks pretty awesome! The only urban gondola I know of is Pittsburgh (although is that really gondola...I don't know) and Sao Paolo.

Edmonton had a plan for something like Pittsburgh's to bring people from the bottom of the river valley to the top (downtown), I think funding was approved, but we haven't heard anything since.
Portland Oregon has their aerial tram - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portland_Aerial_Tram

Reply With Quote
     
     
  #5  
Old Posted Dec 30, 2009, 8:47 PM
ue ue is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 8,984
^Oh right...I knew that one too...and I even saw that one in person...can't believe I forgot it.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #6  
Old Posted Dec 30, 2009, 9:00 PM
blockski blockski is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: DC
Posts: 269
Remember, Aerial Trams and Gondolas are not the same thing.
__________________
City Block
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #7  
Old Posted Dec 30, 2009, 9:08 PM
brickell's Avatar
brickell brickell is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: County of Dade
Posts: 9,379
I've always thought something like this would work well in Miami for Mainland to South Beach transit.

With individual cars, I'd imagine that maintenance is a pain. Plus, no matter how pretty you make it, somebody's going to complain about views being blocked and it being an eyesore.
__________________
That's what did it in the end. Not the money, not the music, not even the guns. That is my heroic flaw: my excess of civic pride.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #8  
Old Posted Dec 30, 2009, 9:45 PM
Jasonhouse Jasonhouse is offline
Administrator
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Tampa, FL
Posts: 23,744
^Same thing here for Clearwater Beach... I wonder if such a system would work some place like the USF main campus?
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #9  
Old Posted Dec 30, 2009, 10:02 PM
blockski blockski is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: DC
Posts: 269
Anyone who's been skiing should be familiar with the technology.

A couple of things -

These work best for point to point transport - like ski lifts, from base to summit.

Turning can be done, but not easily - both are best run in a straight line (again, as you'd find for most ski lifts).

Gondolas have more capacity with many more smaller capacity cars, while trams can scale much more impressive terrain with a far greater distance between towers - but gondolas do not function like that yellow-skied image in the OP - they only have one cable and would most certainly have more towers in a distance that large.

Reading the article, it would seem like the guy has never been skiing. Honestly, spend a couple days skiing and you'd learn first hand about how cable chairlifts operate, what their limitations are, etc.
__________________
City Block
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #10  
Old Posted Dec 30, 2009, 10:14 PM
novawolverine novawolverine is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 1,942
Baltimore was talking about putting one of these up IIRC.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #11  
Old Posted Dec 30, 2009, 10:27 PM
M.K. M.K. is offline
BANNED
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: §¡კ₪@דч®ɛ€...۩™ -> աաա
Posts: 3,934
To not solve the slams problems in Rio de Janeiro, they made this solution for the so called inhabitants there, see:

http://g1.globo.com/Noticias/Mundo/f...058-FMM,00.jpg

Medellin Colombia has similar solutions of transportation...

http://josegenao.files.wordpress.com...e-medellin.jpg
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #12  
Old Posted Dec 31, 2009, 12:36 AM
electricron's Avatar
electricron electricron is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Granbury, Texas
Posts: 3,203
Lightbulb

I can see these working best in rough terrain with steep grades.
I just don't think they're efficient in fairly level areas...
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #13  
Old Posted Dec 31, 2009, 2:10 AM
Okstate's Avatar
Okstate Okstate is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: SE PDX
Posts: 1,367
I doubt we'll make a separate thread for aerial trams anytime soon so here's a picture of a new aerial tram. There has been some talk of additional "lines" here in Portland though right now they're just a pipe dream.


Source: http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3645/...f7dd28f37c.jpg
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #14  
Old Posted Dec 31, 2009, 5:38 AM
amor de cosmos amor de cosmos is offline
BANNED
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: lodged against an abutment
Posts: 7,556
Quote:
Originally Posted by blockski View Post
Remember, Aerial Trams and Gondolas are not the same thing.
i didn't know there was a difference. i fixed the op but i don't think it will show up in the title in the transportation forum
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #15  
Old Posted Dec 31, 2009, 4:27 PM
blockski blockski is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: DC
Posts: 269
Quote:
Originally Posted by amor de cosmos View Post
i didn't know there was a difference. i fixed the op but i don't think it will show up in the title in the transportation forum
Well, it's not like they're hugely different, but they are different. For gondolas, the cable itself is moving, and the cabs grip the cable to move. For Trams, the cars move along fixed cables as if they were rails, pulled by a third cable.

That's why trams are usually much bigger (as you have different cables for movement and support). Trams can also scale more impressive terrain and maintain much longer distances between towers, which is why they're chosen for some applications over gondolas. The Portland tram, for example, has only one tower to cover a horizontal distance of 3,000+ feet. This also allows for scaling some impressive heights as well.
__________________
City Block
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #16  
Old Posted Dec 31, 2009, 4:29 PM
Jasonhouse Jasonhouse is offline
Administrator
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Tampa, FL
Posts: 23,744
How fast do these things go? How many people per hour can they carry? I'm having trouble finding the 'specs' for such systems.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #17  
Old Posted Dec 31, 2009, 4:32 PM
M II A II R II K's Avatar
M II A II R II K M II A II R II K is online now
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Toronto
Posts: 49,844
PRT is more likely to appear in cities. For cable cars maybe a closed circuit in the downtown area to connect all the locations of significance.
__________________
ASDFGHJK
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #18  
Old Posted Dec 31, 2009, 4:46 PM
M.K. M.K. is offline
BANNED
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: §¡კ₪@דч®ɛ€...۩™ -> աաա
Posts: 3,934
@Jason, you have a good example here http://www.seilbahn.net/snn/bericht1...1767&zurueck=0

Pao de acucar recently received a new cab for its Aereal Tram.

I am afraid of Gondolas, i really do not believe much on them, because holding the cable, even hydraulic, is not ever secure. Aereal Tram is better. Once the Mount Blanc one at 4000 m high hit the platform entrance by strong wind when we were inside. People cried and shout. The Gondola in Madeira Island made me most scarried all time, that i came back down with taxi. But it was worse times...
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #19  
Old Posted Dec 31, 2009, 4:48 PM
Busy Bee's Avatar
Busy Bee Busy Bee is offline
Leftist Correctist
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: on the artistic spectrum
Posts: 6,964
Thanks for removing my post. I now see the error of my ways and how inappropriate it was to post a picture of a sandwich. GMAFB
__________________
GOP RIP
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #20  
Old Posted Dec 31, 2009, 5:03 PM
Jasonhouse Jasonhouse is offline
Administrator
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Tampa, FL
Posts: 23,744
Quote:
Originally Posted by M II A II R II K View Post
PRT is more likely to appear in cities. For cable cars maybe a closed circuit in the downtown area to connect all the locations of significance.
Here locally, there are some spots where it would seem to be useful. Especially over in Clearwater, where they desperately need an attractive pedestrian/transit connection between downtown and the beach. Anything that can get across the water with as few piers as possible, and can do so cheaply instantly becomes something worth a look.
Reply With Quote
     
     
This discussion thread continues

Use the page links to the lower-right to go to the next page for additional posts
 
 
Reply

Go Back   SkyscraperPage Forum > Discussion Forums > Transportation
Forum Jump


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 2:07 PM.

     

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.