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417 - Eagleson to Highway 7 detailed design PIC
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A Public Involvement Centre is scheduled for June 10, 2008 to provide members of the public with an opportunity to review project documentation, provide input, and discuss the project with members of the project team. A PIC notice containing the location, time and date of the PIC has been published in local newspapers and posted on this web site. Following the PIC, display material will also be posted on this web site.
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I guess even with the slight delay in the work at Bank and Somerset, they still claim to be on schedule. We'll see if they actually get everything done before snowfall.

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Reconstruction of Bank Street, between Laurier Avenue and Somerset Street, started on the night of May 26. The first week included night-time work only to install new valves and isolate the existing watermains in the intersection of Somerset and Bank Street.

Daytime work started May 31 with the closure of the Somerset Street intersection. The underground work in the intersection is estimated to take approximately 9 calendar days. The Somerset Street intersection should be reopened to traffic by June 9. Once the intersection is reopened to traffic Bank Street, from the north side of Somerset Street to the south side of Laurier Street will be closed to vehicular traffic. Work will then proceed northward from Somerset Street on the underground works within the roadway. Fencing/Barriers will be installed along the curb line to separate the pedestrians from the work zone within the roadway.

Work is proceeding well to date and we are still expecting to have construction completed by mid November 2008.
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Battle to widen Prince of Wales heats up
Councillors set for a showdown as city considers expanding road to serve Barrhaven, Riverside South
Patrick DareOttawa Citizen
Thursday, June 05, 2008

OTTAWA -- It seems an unlikely public project for Ottawa at a time of hyper-concern about traffic congestion, air quality, urban sprawl and the unaffordable car commute.

The City of Ottawa is planning a big road project: widening Prince of Wales Drive for the 10.3-kilometre span between Woodroffe Avenue and Fisher Avenue.

It's a project that would cost big money. The city has already earmarked $15 million just for the property acquisition and design for the project. A smaller project, to widen Limebank Road, cost $44 million.

The two-year, $700,000 environmental assessment for the Prince of Wales project is under way and the road, if approved by council, could be built by 2013.


Councillors representing the city's growing southern communities of Barrhaven and Riverside South say the bigger road is urgently needed. Prince of Wales is backed up for as far as the eye can see during commuting hours.

"It's reached a breaking point. The lineup of cars is getting longer and longer," Steve Desroches, councillor for Gloucester-South Nepean, said Thursday.

"It's long overdue. We have to serve the growth. We need to build the roads."

Mr. Desroches said the Barr-haven area, with a population of about 70,000, is undergoing "explosive growth" and could reach 104,000 by 2031.

Mr. Desroches said the bigger road is needed to get RCMP employees to their new headquarters at Merivale Road and Prince of Wales. And he argues there will be more employment in the airport and South Merivale Business Park areas, for which the road will be useful.

Barrhaven Councillor Jan Harder, who lives near Prince of Wales and uses the road to get downtown, says that even with council's push to build transit rather than new roads, most residents drive and these projects are necessary.

"We're in the customer-service business. We'll always be in the road-building business," she said, acknowledging that the Prince of Wales project "will be a mega-million-dollar project."

But there will be opposition.

David Jeanes, of Transport 2000, said he is disappointed that the city seems so intent on building more roads for cars when there may be rail and other public transit solutions to get more people around. He said there's no point in getting more cars up to intersections such as Prince of Wales and Hog's Back, where there is "no capacity" for more vehicles.

"Widening Prince of Wales doesn't seem to make sense," said Mr. Jeanes.


"Unfortunately, the city's policies are: Build what we can, rather than build what we need. They're all short-term decisions. I'm very frustrated."

There will be a fight to get council approval. Council has recently taken a slight turn towards public transit and away from more big roads to suburbia.


The city declined an offer of $80 million from the Ontario and federal governments to build a freeway from Rockland to Orléans, on the grounds that it was too costly and would just fuel more sprawl and road congestion.

Councillors for the city's central wards will have a difficult time supporting a road project that makes it easier for commuters from rural communities, Barrhaven and Riverside South to drive downtown, when downtown is already jammed with cars.

Capital Ward Councillor Clive Doucet says it is nonsensical to widen the road, thus inviting more drivers to use it, only to have it narrow near the downtown, causing great frustration for those drivers.

Some traffic from a widened Prince of Wales could turn east and west on Hunt Club Road, but that road - hugely controversial before it was built - is at its capacity during rush hours. So the next step would be to widen Hunt Club from four to six lanes, another massive and costly project.

Knoxdale-Merivale Councillor Gord Hunter, who has supported many of Ottawa's large road projects in his career, says expanding existing roads in built-up neighbourhoods doesn't always make sense because of the huge costs and major disruptions.

During an open house Thursday night on the Prince of Wales plan, Mr. Hunter said he hasn't made up his mind on the project. He said there's no question of the growing number of residents in Barrhaven, but he said there's little point in such a major construction project if it's just moving the traffic jam a kilometre or two.

Marc Lussier, who lives near Prince of Wales and also attended the open house, said he is concerned about the potential noise and volume of traffic if the road is widened. He said the city should be putting its efforts into more transit to move people along the north-south corridor of the city, rather than taking on such a large road expansion.

"I'm not sure it's money well spent," said Mr. Lussier.

Mr. Doucet said he is confident this project will die in the study stage. "It's a step absolutely in the wrong direction. It's so crazy that it will never happen," said Mr. Doucet. "People are going to wake up."

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Battle to widen Prince of Wales heats up
Councillors set for a showdown as city considers expanding road to serve Barrhaven, Riverside South
Patrick DareOttawa Citizen
Thursday, June 05, 2008

OTTAWA -- It seems an unlikely public project for Ottawa at a time of hyper-concern about traffic congestion, air quality, urban sprawl and the unaffordable car commute.

The City of Ottawa is planning a big road project: widening Prince of Wales Drive for the 10.3-kilometre span between Woodroffe Avenue and Fisher Avenue.

It's a project that would cost big money. The city has already earmarked $15 million just for the property acquisition and design for the project. A smaller project, to widen Limebank Road, cost $44 million.

The two-year, $700,000 environmental assessment for the Prince of Wales project is under way and the road, if approved by council, could be built by 2013.


Councillors representing the city's growing southern communities of Barrhaven and Riverside South say the bigger road is urgently needed. Prince of Wales is backed up for as far as the eye can see during commuting hours.

"It's reached a breaking point. The lineup of cars is getting longer and longer," Steve Desroches, councillor for Gloucester-South Nepean, said Thursday.

"It's long overdue. We have to serve the growth. We need to build the roads."

Mr. Desroches said the Barr-haven area, with a population of about 70,000, is undergoing "explosive growth" and could reach 104,000 by 2031.

Mr. Desroches said the bigger road is needed to get RCMP employees to their new headquarters at Merivale Road and Prince of Wales. And he argues there will be more employment in the airport and South Merivale Business Park areas, for which the road will be useful.

Barrhaven Councillor Jan Harder, who lives near Prince of Wales and uses the road to get downtown, says that even with council's push to build transit rather than new roads, most residents drive and these projects are necessary.

"We're in the customer-service business. We'll always be in the road-building business," she said, acknowledging that the Prince of Wales project "will be a mega-million-dollar project."

But there will be opposition.

David Jeanes, of Transport 2000, said he is disappointed that the city seems so intent on building more roads for cars when there may be rail and other public transit solutions to get more people around. He said there's no point in getting more cars up to intersections such as Prince of Wales and Hog's Back, where there is "no capacity" for more vehicles.

"Widening Prince of Wales doesn't seem to make sense," said Mr. Jeanes.


"Unfortunately, the city's policies are: Build what we can, rather than build what we need. They're all short-term decisions. I'm very frustrated."

There will be a fight to get council approval. Council has recently taken a slight turn towards public transit and away from more big roads to suburbia.


The city declined an offer of $80 million from the Ontario and federal governments to build a freeway from Rockland to Orléans, on the grounds that it was too costly and would just fuel more sprawl and road congestion.

Councillors for the city's central wards will have a difficult time supporting a road project that makes it easier for commuters from rural communities, Barrhaven and Riverside South to drive downtown, when downtown is already jammed with cars.

Capital Ward Councillor Clive Doucet says it is nonsensical to widen the road, thus inviting more drivers to use it, only to have it narrow near the downtown, causing great frustration for those drivers.

Some traffic from a widened Prince of Wales could turn east and west on Hunt Club Road, but that road - hugely controversial before it was built - is at its capacity during rush hours. So the next step would be to widen Hunt Club from four to six lanes, another massive and costly project.

Knoxdale-Merivale Councillor Gord Hunter, who has supported many of Ottawa's large road projects in his career, says expanding existing roads in built-up neighbourhoods doesn't always make sense because of the huge costs and major disruptions.

During an open house Thursday night on the Prince of Wales plan, Mr. Hunter said he hasn't made up his mind on the project. He said there's no question of the growing number of residents in Barrhaven, but he said there's little point in such a major construction project if it's just moving the traffic jam a kilometre or two.

Marc Lussier, who lives near Prince of Wales and also attended the open house, said he is concerned about the potential noise and volume of traffic if the road is widened. He said the city should be putting its efforts into more transit to move people along the north-south corridor of the city, rather than taking on such a large road expansion.

"I'm not sure it's money well spent," said Mr. Lussier.

Mr. Doucet said he is confident this project will die in the study stage. "It's a step absolutely in the wrong direction. It's so crazy that it will never happen," said Mr. Doucet. "People are going to wake up."

© Ottawa Citizen 2008
And as everybody has pointed out, North-South transit is a low priority, as we are about to embark on the some of the largest road expansions in years. Limebank, Prince of Wales, Hunt Club. And are we going to twin the Hunt Club Road Bridge in order to accomodate 6 lanes of traffic feeding into it? It is only a matter of time before pressure will be building up to construct the Strandherd Bridge without a transit right of way and widen all the roads leading to it, plus Bank Street south, the Airport Parkway and the Alta Vista Parkway. How many hundreds of millions will this all cost? Some of this is yet another cost of not building rapid transit as originally planned and scheduled.

I shake my head as we foolishly accomodate cars at infinitum while playing lip service to transit expansion and delay all transit improvements for years in order to build the downtown transit megaproject first.

Doesn't everybody know that all this road expansion makes rapid transit less viable, if it ever does get built.
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Bank Street is now closed between Laurier and Somerset.. gates are up and they're ripping things up between Somerset and Lisgar right now.
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Bank Street is now closed between Laurier and Somerset.. gates are up and they're ripping things up between Somerset and Lisgar right now.
Only Laurier? I thought they were going to the Queensway this summer.

Can anyone take pictures? I`m not in ottawa right now to view it.
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It's done from Wellington to Laurier already, and now they're doing Laurier to Somerset. I saw a sign that said it's costing $7 million to fix up this stretch and it should be complete by November. They'll probably do the next segment in 2009 - closing too much of Bank at once would likely have the storeowners up in arms, not to mention that Somerset/Bank block was already closed for months last year due to that building collapse..

I'll take pictures eventually, It's what I do.
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I was in Kanata last week and had a good look at the widening of the 417.. I see that they're putting those huge light standards in the median from Eagleson to the 416. I guess it's safer... they did the same thing a couple of years ago between Blainville and St-Jérôme on highway 15 north of Montreal... makes a huge difference with regards to visiblity, especially in heavy rain or snow.
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417 - Eagleson to Highway 7 detailed design PIC
Public Involvement Centre
A Public Involvement Centre is scheduled for June 10, 2008 to provide members of the public with an opportunity to review project documentation, provide input, and discuss the project with members of the project team. A PIC notice containing the location, time and date of the PIC has been published in local newspapers and posted on this web site. Following the PIC, display material will also be posted on this web site.
Notice of Public Involvement Centre
the plans are now available online
http://highway417expansion.com/eng/presentations.shtml
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Published: Friday, July 11, 2008

OTTAWA - The city is closing the intersection of Bank Street and Laurier Avenue for more than two weeks starting this Saturday, July 12, at 7 a.m. The intersection is to re-open the evening of Wednesday, July 30.

"The closure is due to the on-going rehabilitation of Bank Street," according to a written statement. The downtown artery is being dug up and its pipes and other services repaired and replaced over several years, with the work moving from the north end at Wellington Street toward an end-point at the Rideau Canal in stages.
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Jockvale Road Open House #3

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Limebank Road Widening changes
The City of Ottawa has prepared an EA Addendum for a portion of the above study addressing changes to the recommended design for Limebank Road between Balmoral Drive and Leitrim Road. This undertaking included a review and update of the design alternatives development and evaluation process conducted during the Municipal Class Environmental Assessment process for both the widening of Limebank Road from Balmoral Drive to Leitrim Road (including roadway cross-section and horizontal alignment alternatives) as well as for the alignment of the Limebank Road / Leitrim Road intersection. Design changes to the original ESR recommendations include:
  • A rural roadway cross-section on both the east and west sides of Limebank Road between Balmoral Drive and Leitrim Road.
  • Minor (approx. 5 m) shift to the roadway horizontal alignment to the west.
  • Inclusion of a multi-use pathway along the west side of the corridor within National Capital Commission (Greenbelt) land outside the road right-of-way.
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Road Infrastructure 'Need' 2031





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Projected Road/Bridge Costs (2008) Dollars
Phase 1 (2009-2015): $ 680 million
Phase 2 (2016-2022): $ 535 million
Phase 3 (2023-2031): $ 785 million
Total $ 2000 million

Note that this doesn't include MTO projects like 417 East and 417 West widenings....

Recommendations on Key Road Infrastructure Projects

King Edward Avenue
Based solely on traffic analysis and even with the construction of a new Interprovincial crossing in the east, a 6-lane King Edward continues to be required to satisfy existing and future travel demand. This recommendation is subject to further review through the King Edward Avenue Lane Reduction Impact Study that will consider the impact of traffic on surrounding communities
Ottawa Road 174
Widening east of Trim Road is not Recommended

Alta Vista Transportation Corridor
Recommended to be a 4-lane roadway (including 2 high occupancy vehicle/transit lanes) from Nicholas Street to Walkley Road.

Carling Avenue
Widening from Moodie to March Road is not recommended.

Airport Parkway
Recommended to be a 4-lane roadway from Macdonald-Cartier International Airport to Brookfield Road
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A shot of the mess that is Bank Street - taken by me yesterday..

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A shot of the mess that is Bank Street - taken by me yesterday..
I like the upside-down traffic light, with the green at the top.
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With regard to some of the discussion about Riverside, I think the changes the MTO will be making will alleviate the problem somewhat by no longer requiring to lane changes for Nicholas traffic which wishes to continue past Riverside.

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Airport Parkway widening project is back

Patrick Dare
Ottawa Citizen

Wednesday, September 24, 2008

OTTAWA=A controversial project to twin Ottawa's Airport Parkway, which pitted downtown against suburban residents several years ago is back on the city's agenda.

While officials unveiled the various options for the $4.7-billion public transit plan two weeks ago, they also quietly released the latest plan for $2 billion in major road projects, meant to carry the city to 2031. What the public didn't know was that part of the plan to widen the Airport Parkway, a crucial north-south corridor linking communities south of the airport to Bronson Avenue, is being speeded up.

Instead of being built sometime between 2014 and 2021, the road is scheduled to be widened to four lanes between Brookfield Road and Hunt Club Road in the next few years. The rest of the road, from Hunt Club to the airport, would be widened between 2015 and 2022.

The news has surprised even Councillor Maria McRae, chairwoman of council's transportation committee, who says such a large road project has major implications and needs to be fully debated in public before being approved.

Vivi Chi, the city's manager of transportation and infrastructure planning, says the twinning of the parkway needs to be done to handle the growth of southern neighbourhoods.

She says that while most transportation efforts are being invested in public transit, 70 per cent of trips will still be by private vehicle even after the new transit system is complete, so the road network must be built.

"We get a lot of complaints that there's a lot of congestion," said Ms. Chi. The Airport Parkway project would require an environmental assessment, so it's not likely to start next year.

The ballpark cost for widening the road is $22 million for the section between Brookfield and Hunt Club, then an additional $12 million for the section extending to the airport.

The Airport Parkway project comes as an unpleasant shock to Capital Councillor Clive Doucet, who battled the idea several years ago and thought it was on the shelf.

He and other downtown residents fought the project because so much of the additional car traffic will end up downtown.

"I thought that was off the table for the next 10 to 15 years," said Mr. Doucet.

Mr. Doucet said widening the Airport Parkway is especially unwise because the city has just finished spending $13 million on stormwater ponds, greenspace and pathways in the Sawmill Creek area next to the parkway.

Ms. McRae said she won't make up her mind on whether to support the road project until she has heard from her River Ward residents, many of whom live near the parkway and use the road.

But Ms. McRae said she has a lot of questions for the city's transportation staff about why such a project makes sense. She said doubling the size of the road will dump a lot of additional car traffic into the north end of the city and the whole debate is bound to pit neighbourhood against neighbourhood. She said a bigger road will make it even harder for pedestrians to get across the road to the South Keys shopping centre and transit station. She said noise and speeding are already big problems for residents along the road with just two lanes.

"You're automatically dumping traffic on the north part of the city in the downtown core, with no tunnel, no mechanism to deal with it," said Ms. McRae. "Why would we expand the Airport Parkway if we're not going to have proper transit in that area? I just don't believe that's appropriate. You're giving people no viable alternative to the car." She said that if the city has a chance to expand transit service in the south, that should come ahead of road projects.

The Airport Parkway is part of $680 million worth of road projects in the city's master transportation plan that are to be built between now and 2015. Other projects in the next few years include widening Mer Bleue Road to four lanes, widening Ottawa Road 174 to six lanes, widening Tenth Line Road and Trim Road to four lanes, widening Hazeldean Road to four lanes, widening Carp Road to four lanes, and doing the same with Eagleson Road. Another big project in the next few years is the widening of Riverside Drive to four lanes between Hunt Club Road and Limebank Road. There are also widenings and new roads in Barrhaven.

In total, the city will spend $2 billion on new and widened roads by 2031.

One of the more controversial of the road projects is to widen Prince of Wales Drive between Fisher Avenue and Woodroffe Avenue, a huge project over 10.3 kilometres that is scheduled for sometime between 2016 and 2022.

Ms. McRae said the neighbourhoods are already jammed with traffic that's headed downtown and it would be unwise to build more road capacity along Prince of Wales as a gateway for motorists from Barrhaven and Riverside South.

"I'm not naive enough to believe we're never going to expand another road but I don't think that should be our priority," said Ms. McRae. "You're dealing with record gas prices, a population that is talking about environmental issues being important to them and a generation coming behind us who are going to insist on not doing things like this."

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We cancel N-S LRT so road widening will have to be moved forward. This is all quite predictable, just like the Alta Vista Parkway returns to our TMP, with at best, some minor transit priority.
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Last night I caught a blurb on CBC regarding the widening of the 417 from Kanata to Ottawa..there was a transportation engineer trumpeting how great it will be to have 8 lanes instead of 4, how much quicker you'll be able to get downtown, the $75,000 a piece lighting structures increasing safety... etc. Seems like a whole different world compared to the light rail discussions going on.
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Last night I caught a blurb on CBC regarding the widening of the 417 from Kanata to Ottawa..there was a transportation engineer trumpeting how great it will be to have 8 lanes instead of 4, how much quicker you'll be able to get downtown, the $75,000 a piece lighting structures increasing safety... etc. Seems like a whole different world compared to the light rail discussions going on.
Hmmm, but we are not widening the highway all the way into downtown. Something tells me that we are just going to move the congestion eastward, where we cannot widen the Queensway any further.
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I bet that by time the Queensway widening is completed, gas will be at 2$litre.

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