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Old Posted Apr 23, 2019, 4:24 PM
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When I was looking at light rail schedules on Valley Metro's website, it looks like light rail service will start running all night on Friday nights in May. Am I wrong about this? I've not heard that mentioned before.
Yeah it appears to be going 24hrs on Saturday and from 3am-12am on weekdays too.
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Old Posted Apr 23, 2019, 6:09 PM
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I don't think that Valley Metro is officially going to 24-hour service, but it may look like that on Friday and Saturday nights. On those evenings, the last train in each direction leaves its respective point of origin at 2 AM. That run will take about 90 minutes. The train will then turn around and make a partial run to 44th Street for eastbound trains and Priest for westbound trains before turning into the operations and maintenance center for the night. What does that mean in practical terms? Say you are leaving Gilbert/Main on a westbound train. If you are going anywhere in Mesa in Tempe, you could leave as late as 3:40 AM. If, however, you are going farther west into Phoenix, the last train would leave at 2:00 AM. The same is true for eastbound trains leaving from 19th Ave / Dunlap. Since service starts again for the next day at around 4:45 AM, there is still a gap of just over two-and-a-half hours for people making long trips. For shorter trips, the break is only about an hour. I know this might not make sense, but if you're ever out really late, you'll notice some trains replace their usual destination signs with something like "44th St / Washington" to indicate they're making a shorter run before spending some time at the operations and maintenance center.
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Old Posted Apr 26, 2019, 5:19 PM
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WOAH, Crazy intersection planned for the i-17 expansion at Indian School and the 17.

Triple Decker intersection.

https://www.azdot.gov/docs/default-s...e.pdf?sfvrsn=2

https://www.azdot.gov/planning/trans...study/overview

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Old Posted Apr 26, 2019, 5:26 PM
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WOAH, Crazy intersection planned for the i-17 expansion at Indian School and the 17.

Triple Decker intersection.

https://www.azdot.gov/docs/default-s...e.pdf?sfvrsn=2

https://www.azdot.gov/planning/trans...study/overview

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Yep. They plan on doing this to most of the major intersections along I-17. Pretty crazy design.
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Old Posted Apr 26, 2019, 6:26 PM
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^The flyover ramps seem a way of compensating for the lack of a central east-west freeway. Since heavy volumes of traffic are using arterial streets for long drives across town, having an express option for traffic not getting on or off the freeway makes sense. I wonder if Valley Metro buses could use those to speed up trips, or if that would mean missing stops close to the freeway interchange. The pedestrian bridges have potential. I hope they're actually shaded instead of just having a mesh top.
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Old Posted Apr 26, 2019, 8:02 PM
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^ Presumably in a decade or two that could be used by BRT.
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Old Posted Apr 26, 2019, 8:18 PM
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^ Presumably in a decade or two that could be used by BRT.
That's true. BRT with limited stops could certainly use the flyover ramps while local bus service stays in the slower ground-level zone. Unfortunately, I think the anti-rail forces that have coalesced in recent months will oppose true BRT, especially if it involves a dedicated lane.
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Old Posted Apr 26, 2019, 10:30 PM
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That's true. BRT with limited stops could certainly use the flyover ramps while local bus service stays in the slower ground-level zone. Unfortunately, I think the anti-rail forces that have coalesced in recent months will oppose true BRT, especially if it involves a dedicated lane.
Hopefully by then those clowns will be no more than irrelevant nuisance.

But you make a good point about separate routes. Denver's busiest bus route instead of being light rail like Phoenix has done is (finally) planning BRT for the corridor. East Colfax already has 'limited' and 'local' service routes. The center-running lanes will only cover about half of the 10 miles and will otherwise be curbside service. Both routes will continue and will use the same center lane stops over that segment and then move to the curb with different stops. At least that's what I've heard - pending FTA funding and they're just now finishing their EA stuff. Point being there's advantages for having both local and express service along the same corridor.
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Old Posted Apr 27, 2019, 3:22 PM
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That's true. BRT with limited stops could certainly use the flyover ramps while local bus service stays in the slower ground-level zone. Unfortunately, I think the anti-rail forces that have coalesced in recent months will oppose true BRT, especially if it involves a dedicated lane.
This is EXACTLY who was most vocal against BRT in Albuquerque. There were other mitigating factors, but the backbone of this were the same folks who cry and whine about LRT. These folks aren't going away, so we need to keep pounding the benefits of these multi-modal options.
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Old Posted Apr 27, 2019, 4:52 PM
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This is EXACTLY who was most vocal against BRT in Albuquerque. There were other mitigating factors, but the backbone of this were the same folks who cry and whine about LRT. These folks aren't going away, so we need to keep pounding the benefits of these multi-modal options.
Exactly. When fighting against rail projects, anti-transit voices claim that buses can do everything cheaper and with more flexibility than trains, but when it comes to making buses faster and more efficient by giving them their own lane, expect a fight. For them, the emphasis on buses is a perfunctory way to show that they want to do something for the transit-dependent, but it's really about the supremacy of cars.

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Old Posted Apr 29, 2019, 12:47 PM
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Gilbert Road Extension Opens May 18

Valley Metro has set May 18 as the date for the opening of the light rail extension to Gilbert Road. With this milestone, two more miles of track will open, along with stations at Stapley/Main & Gilbert/Main.

https://www.valleymetro.org/sites/de...er_english.pdf
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Yep. They plan on doing this to most of the major intersections along I-17. Pretty crazy design.
I can't agree with you! I never ever seen that before! A triple decker?!? We don't have a triple decker here in Phoenix.

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WOAH, Crazy intersection planned for the i-17 expansion at Indian School and the 17.

Triple Decker intersection.

https://www.azdot.gov/docs/default-s...e.pdf?sfvrsn=2

https://www.azdot.gov/planning/trans...study/overview

3d models: https://www.flickr.com/photos/arizon...h/47176626251/
OMG! A triple decker?!? Wow! I didn't even know that!

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Valley Metro has set May 18 as the date for the opening of the light rail extension to Gilbert Road. With this milestone, two more miles of track will open, along with stations at Stapley/Main & Gilbert/Main.

https://www.valleymetro.org/sites/de...er_english.pdf
Nice! That's good to know. Hopefully they should be done very well. Keep doing it!

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Please used a existing thread. Here's a link:

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=238632
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Old Posted Apr 30, 2019, 3:56 PM
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I can't agree with you! I never ever seen that before! A triple decker?!? We don't have a triple decker here in Phoenix.



OMG! A triple decker?!? Wow! I didn't even know that!



Nice! That's good to know. Hopefully they should be done very well. Keep doing it!



Please used a existing thread. Here's a link:

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=238632
Yeah, that’s a pretty old concept but effective. They have these in Detroit. Google Earth where 8 Mile RD crosses the I 75 and see how old those bridges are.
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I figured Camelback had more traffic than Indian School and I 17. I guess with the Central corridor buildings basically starting at Indian School, more people get off the freeway at Indian School as opposed to Camelback or Thomas? Indian School has 25 percent more traffic that Camelback and 40 percent more than Thomas!
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Old Posted Apr 30, 2019, 8:14 PM
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I figured Camelback had more traffic than Indian School and I 17. I guess with the Central corridor buildings basically starting at Indian School, more people get off the freeway at Indian School as opposed to Camelback or Thomas? Indian School has 25 percent more traffic that Camelback and 40 percent more than Thomas!
The Camelback Exit seems to be larger in general and less congested than Indian school, sometimes I will get off at Camelback or Thomas just to avoid the traffic.
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I find that exiting NB 17 onto Camelback is an exercise in futility some days, have seen it backed up a half mile onto the freeway on many occasion.
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Old Posted May 2, 2019, 5:36 AM
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I find that exiting NB 17 onto Camelback is an exercise in futility some days, have seen it backed up a half mile onto the freeway on many occasion.
Yeah, we realize that. Too many traffic! We avoided Camelback Rd & Indian School Rd.

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The Camelback Exit seems to be larger in general and less congested than Indian school, sometimes I will get off at Camelback or Thomas just to avoid the traffic.
Yeah, way too congestion on Camelback Rd & Indian School Rd. They always too busy! You could stuck at the streets.
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Dirty Sal

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Council Member Sal DiCiccio Distances Himself From Patriot Movement AZ
STEVEN HSIEH | MAY 2, 2019 | 7:00AM

Phoenix City Council Member Sal DiCiccio is distancing himself from the anti-immigrant group Patriot Movement AZ after Phoenix New Times inquired about a staffer who asked the group to promote a political message.

Patriot Movement AZ is is known for yelling at church volunteers helping asylum-seekers, questioning the immigration status of dark-skinned legislators, and targeting the home of Congressman Ruben Gallego with a demonstration.

DiCiccio's move comes a year after Governor Doug Ducey received backlash for posing in a photo with members of the group. Ducey spoke out against Patriot Movement AZ after getting hit with criticism from both sides of the aisle.

DiCiccio constituent services representative Merissa Hamilton asked a Patriot Movement AZ leader to promote the council member's Facebook statement against a proposal to study pedestrian deaths in Phoenix, according to messages obtained by Phoenix New Times through a public records request. DiCiccio opposed the proposal in his post, claiming it was nothing more than an attempt to lower speed limits citywide.

Earlier that day, Hamilton appears to have contacted Patriot Movement AZ founder Lesa Antone, sending her a link to DiCiccio's post via Facebook Messenger.

"They are trying to force everyone to use public transportation by making the speed limit on every road 25 mph," Hamilton said.

Vision Zero would not have implemented any policy changes. It only would have required the city to study pedestrian deaths and make recommendations for improvements.

Antone did not respond to Hamilton.

About 10 minutes later, Patriot Movement leader Russell Jaffe sent Hamilton a message saying, "Lesa is in FB jail. She can see you at [sic] messaging her but not what it is. If you need her send to me or you can text her." (The phrase "Facebook jail" refers to when the social media company restricts a user's access to site features due to a violation of policy.)

Hamilton responded with the link to DiCiccio's statement. "I need that blasted," she said.

"Oh yeah I saw that. I'll put it out," said Jaffe, who was arrested for assault during a November protest in Tucson.

"And people to show up on Tuesday to the city council meeting," Hamilton added.

Shortly after the exchange, the Patriot Movement AZ Facebook page shared DiCiccio's statement. The group urged followers to show up at City Hall to speak against Vision Zero. A moderator for the group noted that the message was from "our good friend Councilman Sal DiCiccio."

The friendship no longer appears mutual.

In response to questions from New Times, DiCiccio spokesperson Sam Stone said regarding Patriot Movement AZ: "Councilman DiCiccio does not condone their actions." Stone said Hamilton sent DiCiccio's Vision Zero message to "all her contacts that day."

He added that, to his knowledge, the council member's office has not directly communicated any other message to the group and that he has asked Hamilton to exclude Patriot Movement AZ from any further plans.

Hamilton, a former libertarian candidate for governor, did not respond to request for comment.

She spoke with New Times about her relationship with Patriot Movement AZ during the April 15 "Patriotism Over Socialism" rally for conservatives in Gilbert.

Hamilton said she met Patriot Movement AZ while searching for Republican groups to help a man she claimed was wrongfully incarcerated, who she said she met through the controversial activist Jarrett Maupin. Patriot Movement AZ was the only group that responded, she said.

"Although their stance against Muslims is something I disagree with, although their stance against immigration is something I disagree with — in the way they carry it out and some other things — they were the only one who was there for" the man Hamilton was working with, she said.

Hamilton added: "We've had discussions on what my viewpoint is and what their viewpoint is. I have made a decision that I will work with people on things we align on and on the things we don't align on I will work to change their opinions on those issues."

An administrator for the Patriot Movement AZ Facebook page did not respond to request for comment. The Southern Poverty Law Center-designated hate group started to generate headlines after two women affiliated with it were arrested for burglarizing a Tempe mosque.

One of Patriot Movement AZ's former leaders, Jennifer Harrison, recently started a new group called AZ Patriots, which has been focused on making trips to the southern border.
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