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Hudson Sq. heights too high, residents say on zoning

March 29, 2012
BY ALBERT AMATEAU

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Residents of Hudson Square’s low-rise blocks voiced their concerns on Tuesday on a proposed 20-block district that would encourage a mixed commercial/residential district active 24 hours, seven days a week. The proposed new development rules for the current Lower West Side manufacturing district between Canal and Houston Sts., would impose height limits where none now exist, impose rules for new and converted residential uses and allow a new high-rise residential building in Duarte Square at Canal St. at Sixth Ave. with a 420-seat public elementary school on its lower floors.

Although the rezoning, proposed last year by Trinity Real Estate — which owns 40 percent of the property in the district — would impose height limits, residents of Charlton and Vandam Sts. said at the Tues., March 27, forum that the limits were too high.

Height limits for new development would be 320 feet on the wide streets of Varick and Hudson Sts. and Sixth Ave.; 125 feet on Broome and Watts Sts.; and 185 feet on Dominick, Spring, Vandam, Charlton and King Sts. The proposed height limits are intended to achieve the goal of transforming the district, currently dominated by warehouses and commercial lofts, to 25 percent residential. But Sylvia Beam of the Vandam St. Block Association and Dick Blodgett of the Charlton St. Block Association, said the proposed 320-foot and 185-foot limits were not low enough to ensure the quality of life in the low-rise blocks.

Tobi Bergman, a Community Board 2 member who lives in the proposed Hudson Square zoning district, agreed. “So far, there has been no explanation for a 320-foot height limit,” Bergman said. “You don’t need 300-foot-tall buildings to achieve a 9 or 10 F.A.R. [Floor Area Ratio],” he added. F.A.R. refers to the ratio of allowable developable square feet in relation to the property’s footprint. The board will be focusing on the lack of open space as well as height limits. The Department of City Planning has yet to officially certify plans for the proposed district, starting the six-to-nine-month-long uniform land use review procedure (ULURP).

“I can’t imagine building a school at Duarte Square triangle with all that traffic,” said one resident. However, Carl Weisbrod, real estate consultant for Trinity, said the school entrance and exit would be on the Grand St. side of the triangle to separate it from the heavy traffic of Sixth Ave. Weisbrod said that Trinity would bear the cost of building out the shell and core of the school and turn it over to the School Construction Authority and the Department of Education to install classroom, program and office furnishings and run it as a public school.
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Hudson Sq. heights too high, residents say on zoning

March 29, 2012
BY ALBERT AMATEAU
This particular location is a great place to boost density as it has extremely convenient access to both the 1 train and the A-C-E. Hopefully the NIMBYs don't win out.
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Old Posted Mar 30, 2012, 1:15 AM
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Yeah I agree. I live only a few blocks outside the zone, and the stretch of 6th Ave between Canal and Houston is horrendously underutilized and there isn't really a whole lot there. Walking that stretch it's really hard to believe you're a block West from Soho and only 5 minute walk from the Greenwich Village. From reading the article, it does sound like a compromise could be made if the Greenwich Village Historic Neighborhood is expanded though.

I'm all for preservation where it's warranted, but again the area in question really doesn't have a whole lot worth keeping, Charlton St and King St are nice between 6th and Varick but outside of that and a few other buildings there isn't much there. There's already a pretty large office presence on Varick and Hudson between about Spring St and Morton. Hopefully a compromise can be met, because I'd love to see some development around me.
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With all the crying over school space in Manhattan, you would think that would be enough to get people on board.
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I think my article sums up the opinions of many here quite effectively.

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Trinity's plans call for adding up to 3,500 apartments to the neighborhood, including a new tower over 400' tall with a public school at the bottom. The neighborhood is literally devoid of most life... with the exception of rats and NIMBYs. The planned development has met extensive opposition, even over the planned school. This comes at a time when Manhattan is seeing a relative baby boom, and is greatly lacking space for education. With the emphasis NIMBYs place on developing affordable units for families rather than singles, the stance seems quite out of touch.
Full: http://newyorkyimby.blogspot.com/201...s-opposed.html

Completely ridiculous that this is going on, and redevelopment is very necessary...
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The neighborhood is literally devoid of most life... with the exception of rats and NIMBYs.
Yeah, those rats are already complaining about potential overcrowding...
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On August 17, 2012, the New York City Department of City Planning, on behalf of the City Planning Commission as lead agency, issued a Notice of Completion for a Draft Environmental Impact Statement (DEIS) for the Hudson Square Rezoning project.

A public hearing on the Draft Environmental Impact Statement (DEIS) will be held on a later date to be announced, in conjunction with the City Planning Commission’s citywide public hearing pursuant to ULURP. Written comments on the DEIS are requested and will be received and considered by the Lead Agency until the 10th calendar day following the close of the public hearing.


This is actually a downzoning, in New York terms. New zoning would limit the highest tower to 430 ft.






Withouth the rezoning, the tallest would rise to 495 ft, and another to 453 ft (site 3).





Site one (which would include the school), is at the bottom, site 3 is at the top...





A view of potential towers without the zoning shows they would rival Trump Soho (tallest nonshaded tower) for dominance...





With the rezoning, Trump Soho would still have good company...





About 62 ft cropped off of what would now be allowable on the tallest...





The new zoning would allow for shorter, but bulkier towers...





A look at other nearby development sites that would be "downzoned"...


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Hudson Square Hallejujah: City Planning Certifies Trinity’s Transformation of Sleepy Neighborhood

By Matt Chaban
8/20/12

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Time to pray to the zoning gods. As expected, Trinity Real Estate brought its big plans to the City Planning Commission today—it is the largest private rezoning ever undertaken. The plan to bring residential development to the quiet blocks just west of Soho was met with quiet approval from the commission, though a few members of the zoning board expressed concern over whether or not a private applicant, and not the city, should be undertaking such a project.

“This is a private application that very much looks and smells and feels like a neighborhood rezoning,” Commissioner Anna Levin said. “I’m curious about the degree of interchange between staff and the applicant in taking this up and shaping it. Also, the extent to which other stakeholders and other property owners have been consulted.” Edith Hsu-Chen, director of the department’s Manhattan office, responded, “Certainly this is a neighborhood rezoning, one put forward by a private applicant. As we have many applications, certainly, with this amount of coverage, there have been discussions with the department. But again, this is a private application, as we want to make clear.”

The presentation—provided by the Department of City Planning, which was not responsible for but heavily involved in the rezoning—also gave the first glimpse on exactly what Trinity hopes to achieve. Contextualism is the catch word of the day, with buildings of comparable size to those that already exist in the neighborhood. Typically, such contextual zonings have involved low-rise neighborhoods, like Park Slope and large parts of Queens. Here, it means massive loft buildings. Along the avenues, projects will be allowed to reach as high as 320 feet while side streets will be limited to 185 feet. But the big twist is new provisions for height and setback requirements, meaning all of these buildings will create uniform facades along the sidewalk in the range of 125 to 150 feet.

Planning documents predict between 2,000 and 3,200 new residential units will be created in the neighborhood, most notably at a special site on the corner of Canal and Sixth Avenue. This building will rise to 430 feet, where it is meant to serve as a gateway to the new neighborhood as well as providing a school for the thousands of residents new and old. SHoP architects worked up a teaser rendering for the base of the building, but the real show stopped was a massing diagram that showed a tower with a profile not unlike the Williamsburgh Saving Bank Building in Downtown Brooklyn.



One architecturally distinctive tower is planned for the corner of Canal Street and Sixth Avenue.



A rendering of a possible new building's base, which will house a school. The proposal was created by the well-regarded SHoP architects.
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Nice to see this go through, this is a really underdeveloped but unfortunately unattractive neighborhood because of the Holland Tunnel entrance. Hopefully the neighborhood can overcome that, there are some pretty big sites in that rezoning plan that can be developed.
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Haven't had a chance to look at the rezoning documents, but I hope they are planning to implement contextual zoning with mandatory street wall requirements. This would prevent a frenzy of new Kaufman-style hotels from infesting neighborhood like areas of Midtown.
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Haven't had a chance to look at the rezoning documents, but I hope they are planning to implement contextual zoning with mandatory street wall requirements.
This would prevent a frenzy of new Kaufman-style hotels from infesting neighborhood like areas of Midtown.
Read more about that aspect here:

http://www.nyc.gov/html/dcp/pdf/env_...re/08_deis.pdf




Lengthy but good piece in the Observer

http://observer.com/2012/08/hudson-square/

Circling Hudson Square: Everybody Wants a Piece of the Last Untouched Neighborhood
—Except for Those Who Just Want To Be Left Alone

If it's good enough for Jennifer Connolly, it's good enough for you.






By Matt Chaban
8/22/12


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Even a Smaller Hudson Square Will Transform the Manhattan Skyline





By Matt Chaban
September 10, 2012

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We know that the reason there are no skyscrapers in the middle of Manhattan has nothing to do with bedrock and everything to do with development patterns. And it is development that will alter that skyline once again. Trinity Real Estate recently unveiled their plans to rezone Hudson Square, the last undeveloped corner of Manhattan just west of Soho, north of Tribeca, south of the Village. As those neighborhoods would suggest, it is a place ripe for development. Just beware of over-development.

That is the message Trinity delivered when it went to the Community Board last week to present its plan as part of the city’s months-long public review process. Our buildings may seem big, but they could be bigger, as a presentation reported Curbed reveals (there will also be gourmet chocolate!). Trinity furnished The Observer with their key slide making this case, which shows towers pushing 500-600 feet in the neighborhood. Compare that to the roughly 200-foot skyline now, the Trump Soho not withstanding.

It is true, current zoning has no height limits, meaning clever developers could build even higher. At the same time, residential development is currently barred, so there would be no reason to build bigger. And all the same, even with a 320-foot height limit, these towers will top their hulking industrial neighbors. Another striking revelation from these renderings is just how many development sites there are in the district. As we previously reported, the city is looking at at least a dozen new buildings, but it’s always hard to conceive of just how many that is until you see a visual like this.

Not that there is anything wrong with this. In fact, it is quite exciting. Manhattan is a place of skyscrapers, and we will need more to house everyone moving here, especially given an affordable housing within the rezoning.

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This like a dream come true. Hope several areas outside the main protected areas of Greenwich,West Village, Lower East Side,Tribeca,etc rise with moderate highrise apartments of office buildings. It would close the gap between Lower and Midtown and would make the skyline seem more complete. No one will ever doubt again that NYC has the world's longest skyline.
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It's fine, but personally, I would prefer the taller, thinner towers.
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Hudson Square Hallelujah: Scott Stringer Approves Trinity Rezoning with Shorter Towers, More Open Space





By Matt Chaban
November 27, 2012

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The new towers in Hudson Square are going to look more, well, square.

That is after Manhattan Borough President Scott Stringer wrangled a deal with Trinity Church to reduce the size of new towers as part of a rezoning the rectors are undertaking in the formerly industrial neighborhood just north of the Holland Tunnel. This was among the concessions extracted by Mr. Stringer before giving the project his conditional approval, which he signed yesterday as part of the rezoning’s public review process.

The buildings will be a bit wider, though, so as not to lose their density, but they can only rise to 290 feet, rather than 320 feet. Stocky towers instead of slender spires, basically. But that is in many ways fitting with the areas already stolid building stock of former printing plants, which typified the neighborhood for a century before it became a popular haven for Soho expats and minor celebrities (hello James Gandolfini and Lou Reed!).

Hoping to capitalize on the newfound popularity of the neighborhood, Trinity’s rezoning seeks to add housing stock to what was primarily an warren of offices and light industry—albeit a still very popular one, with the likes of Viacom, Edelman, Saatchi, New York magazine and the Daily News among the media and tech firms calling the area home. The rezoning calls for creating between 2,000 and 3,200 new apartments spread across some 20 possible development sites.

“I am proud today to announce my recommendation for conditional approval of the Hudson Square Special District, which will address many long standing community concerns,” Mr. Stringer said in a statement. “I believe the modifications agreed to today will bring this proposal further in line with sound planning and community preferences.”

Another big piece of the agreement is the elimination of an area known as Subdistrict B, that would have restricted building heights near to the Holland Tunnel. Some landlords within the area, most notably Edison Properties, had complained about Trinity telling them what to do with their properties. Now those developers could seek taller towers, such as one Edison has proposed for a lot it owns near the Holland Tunnel.
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City Planning Commission approves Hudson Square rezoning proposal





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The City Planning Commission voted today to approve a proposal to rezone Hudson Square to allow for a more mixed-use neighborhood with larger buildings. The proposal now heads to City Council, which will have 50 days to conduct a public hearing and vote on whether the rezoning will take effect.

As previously reported, Manhattan Borough President Scott Stringer gave his conditional support for the rezoning in November with concessions from landlord Trinity Real Estate, which initially proposed the rezoning.

Trinity aims to build new apartments in the area that, in the past, was primarily commercial. Before Stringer limited the towers’ height to 290 feet, the goal was 320 feet. Trinity first approached City Planning late this summer.

In a statement, Andrew Berman, the executive director of the Greenwich Village Society for Historic Preservation, called on City Council Speaker Christine Quinn to either reject the rezoning or approve it in conjunction with the creation of a nearby historic district, known as the South Village Historic District. Berman has expressed concerns that increased development in Hudson Square would threaten the character of the low-rise South Village.

“[Quinn] will determine if this beloved, endangered New York neighborhood receives the protections it needs, or if its ongoing destruction will be accelerated by an enormous rezoning on its doorstep,” Berman said.

A spokesperson for the City Council said that Quinn would take a public position on the rezoning at the conclusion of the Uniform Land Use Review Procedure process.
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Hudson Square gets approval to allow 30-story buildings that will significantly increase residential popularity and bring chic retail to this heavy manufacturing zone

By Jason Sheftell
January 24, 2013

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Manhattan's Hudson Square moved closer to getting a glossy makeover Wednesday with approval of a rezoning plan that would allow 30-story buildings and more residential property. The rezoning, passed by the City Planning Commission, was initiated by Trinity Real Estate, the property arm of Trinity Church. It owns 40% of the area between Canal and Houston Sts. and from Sixth Ave. to Washington St.

Few buildings in the area are taller than 16 stories. Current zoning does not allow for residential buildings, a legal loophole the glitzy Trump SoHo avoided by developing a hotel that sold units as apartments. Trinity’s plan allows 25% of square footage in the area to be residential, paving the way for hip retail at the base of new towers while preserving commercial space.

“The plan is a model for creating mixed-use neighborhoods,” said SHoP Architects’ Gregg Pasquarelli, who consulted on the rezoning. “The look of the area won’t change much.”

Architect Alexander Gorlin, whose office is at 137 Varick St., has a very different take. “The entire thing is a sham to tear down old buildings,” said Gorlin. “They want to turn this into the hot new spot.”

Some urban planners can’t believe it took Trinity, one of the largest landowners in New York City, so long to push the change. “It’s amazing they just figured out they’re sitting on a gold mine,” said NYU Professor of Urban Policy and Planning Mitchell Moss. “This is just north of Tribeca and south of Greenwich Village. People are going to flock there.”


Next step is a City Council vote on the rezoning proposal, which should happen in the next few months. The plan includes a school at the base of a tower at Sixth Ave. and Canal St. Trinity hopes restaurants and bars will follow the influx of people.

“Right now, people go home after work because there aren’t places to eat or drink, or residential services,” says Trinity Real Estate president Jason Pizer. “The rezoning will make this a 24-hour neighborhood.”



Trump Tower Soho at Varick and Spring Sts. The tower is one of the exceptions in the neighborhood, which has not typically allowed 16-story structures.





Architect Alex Gorlin believes the Hudson Square rezoning is a sham to tear down old buildings.
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Hudson Square as-is is totally inhospitable & a complete waste. Can't wait for the neighborhood to be more built-up, although I wish they were able to build more than 25% as residential... there is no sense in preserving these old commercial neighborhoods that have tons of warehouses/former industrial uses when they could go to a much better purpose (housing people!)
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Rec Center to Be Renovated After $5.6M Hudson Square Concession





January 24, 2013
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Some West Side residents who wanted a Downtown developer to upgrade recreation space in Hudson Square in exchange for a major rezoning of the area got their wish Wednesday, when Trinity Real Estate announced it would donate $5.6 million to the city Parks Department. The City Planning Commission approved Trinity's plan to transform formerly industrial Hudson Square into a mixed-use neighborhood, and announced the company had committed funds earmarked for use at the aging Tony Dapolito Recreation Center and elsewhere in the neighborhood.

"Improvements to the Dapolito Center will significantly expand its capacity, increase year-round accessibility and appeal to a wide range of users," Department of City Planning commissioner Amanda Burden said in a statement. A Trinity spokesman confirmed news of the donation and said the open space "mitigation" was determined with the CPC and Parks Department.

At multiple hearings leading up to the commission's decision, residents of Hudson Square and the West Village told Trinity the area — which is roughly bound by West Houston Street, Sixth Avenue, Canal Street and Greenwich Street — needed more open space to accommodate the residents of as many as 3,200 new apartments.

But Community Board 2 chairman David Gruber said he would have preferred for Trinity to construct a new public recreation center in Duarte Square, where the company is planning to build residences, a school and a public park. "Monies from Trinity need to mitigate for the population that's going to go into Hudson Square, not fund the Dapolito Center, which is a city-run facility," Gruber said, noting that the rec center, located on Clarkson Street just north of West Houston Street, actually falls within the borders of the West Village.

The Parks Department did not immediately provide details on the planned renovations for Dapolito or the timeline for the repairs. The CPC's approval, which accepted the reduced maximum building height of 290 feet that Trinity suggested in November, will be reviewed by City Council for final approval within the next 50 days.
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Should Hudson Square’s Rezoning Have to Wait for the Designation of a Historic District?

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January 31, 2013

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There is no doubt that the Hudson Square rezoning, if and when it is approved, will reshape what is arguably the last remaining swath of downtown Manhattan’s formerly industrial landscape. Preservationists, however, are not concerned with the fate of the neighborhood’s old printing plants, but rather, that of the quaint district that borders Hudson Square to the northeast.

The Greenwich Village Society for Historic Preservation claims that development and demolition plans in the as-yet unlandmarked South Village—a chunk of Soho bounded by West 4th to the north, Sixth Avenue to the west, West Broadway to the east and Watts Street to the South—have been speeding up as the rezoning moves through the approval process.

Now they want the city council to withhold approval for the rezoning until the South Village is declared a historic district—a move that would effectively halt Trinity’s plans for Hudson Square as the application wends its way through the Landmarks Preservation Commission, where it has formally been under consideration since 2006. A public hearing and vote are still required for Landmarks approval.

Regardless of the city council’s ability, or desire to, mandate landmarking, Hudson Square’s spillover development remains a presents a real problem for vulnerable South Village. If the Hudson Square rezoning hasn’t already spurred development in the adjoining neighborhoods, it no doubt will. Development in Manhattan is less a delicate dance than a domino effect, a question not of if, but when.
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