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Old Posted Jul 14, 2021, 5:46 PM
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I go through here frequently, and it’s not that bad. Some people like to sit on the floor because it’s squeaky clean. But for the most part, I think there should be MORE people on this side. And there will be when retail opens. The construction mess on the other side doesn’t help. Still, all the more reason for the planned improvements.


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Old Posted Jul 14, 2021, 5:52 PM
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It really would not kill them to just put some modern benches in.
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Old Posted Jul 16, 2021, 3:40 AM
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Eventually a good deal of the people just waiting there on the floor will be able to choose to wait in the restaurants around the food court.
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Old Posted Jul 16, 2021, 12:29 PM
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It's a bit pedestrian. Has the feel of a very nice Simon Mall; not really giving me world-class train station. New York is capable of much more. Also, how long is MSG Garden really going to be there? 20, 30, or even 40 years down the road if the Garden moves we will just be looking at another massive overhaul. Just do it right, once.
Some of the best train stations in the world are malls, just saying. For example:

JR Osaka Station





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There are plenty more examples like this, as in literally every major train station in Japan. I can think of JR-Kobe, JR-Kyoto, JR-Namba, JR-Tennoji, Kintetsu-Abenobashi (also the largest building and department store in Japan), Kintetsu-Namba, and Nankai-Namba just off the top of my head. There are similar examples in Europe as well. The moral of the story is that successful train stations really are just giant malls.
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I can't think of a world-class train station that isn't essentially a giant mall. That's a feature, not a bug. You want tons of amenities, obviously.

And Moynhian is a relatively small piece of the Empire/Penn complex. If Moynihan has too much retail, you aren't gonna like Empire South, the expanded Penn, or what they eventually do with MSG.
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East Asian train stations with no seating have two huge differences from Moynihan: they're 99% used by daily commuters, as at the two Osaka examples above (intercity travelers use Shin-Osaka instead) AND they have East Asian standards of timekeeping and how trains are boarded. The problem with Moynihan is Amtrak's bizarre insistence on airport-style boarding without having any airport-style waiting areas.
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Moynihan has seating, but for ticketed passengers. There's a large waiting room, it just isn't in the main concourse. It wouldn't make sense to have Amtrak-specific seating in the concourse, as that's used by all Penn users. LIRR and NJT commuters are passing through Moynihan too.

Actually, there are presently three general waiting rooms in the Penn complex - Amtrak, LIRR and NJT. It may be that the Amtrak seating is insufficient, but that's probably a question for post-pandemic times. There's also a separate premium waiting room for Acela users, called Metropolitan Lounge. It's pretty nice, generally nicer than airline lounges.
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Federal transit agency backs Metro-North plan for one-seat ride to Manhattan's West Side
Riders venturing north could shave up to 75 minutes each way off their daily commute, while those headed into the city on the New Haven Line from Connecticut could save 40 minutes.



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The $1.6 billion plan to open Manhattan’s west side to Metro-North commuters for the first time received the go-ahead from federal transit officials Monday, opening the way for construction to begin as soon as next year.

The Federal Transit Administration’s review of the MTA’s Penn Station Access Project found it would have no significant adverse environmental impacts on local communities, natural resources, wetlands and other concerns.

New stations will be built in Co-op City, Morris Park, Parkchester and Hunts Point, giving Bronx residents an easier commute to jobs in Westchester County and Connecticut.


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The 9th Avenue changes at Moynihan/Farley have been happening very rapidly.


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