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Old Posted Mar 9, 2020, 5:49 PM
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oh snap -- now i wanna change my name to zebulon.

you could be like a star trek villain.

Or a middling little town east of Raleigh. However, if we're naming ourselves after towns near Raleigh you'll definitely want to go with the Varina side of Fuquay-Varina, which was named after Varina Davis, wife of Jefferson Davis, president of the Confederate States of America. I think you'd be fetching all got up as Varina -- but you'd need to invest heavily in taffeta.

By the way, ol' Zeb's middle name was Baird. Feel free to do with that what you will.
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Old Posted Mar 9, 2020, 5:56 PM
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for nyc you could say something like times sq or central pk i suppose, but i would put it at 5th ave and 42nd st.

might be fun to pick the center of the outer boros?
Brooklyn's is probably Grand Army Plaza. Runner-up: Atlantic Terminal.

Grand Army Plaza: https://goo.gl/maps/uETqLxbE6jYrbyCHA
Atlantic Terminal (left): https://goo.gl/maps/FqHWec4KJHCpYj3C9
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Old Posted Mar 9, 2020, 6:50 PM
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I would say the 'heart' of Houston is, arguably, the area surrounding the intersection Of Main Street, Montrose, Hermann Drive and Hermann Park Drive. This photo is not of that intersection, but it's a couple of short blocks away, within general area.


Hermann Park
by bill barfield, on Flickr



https://www.google.com/maps/place/Ho...!4d-95.3698028
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Old Posted Mar 9, 2020, 7:14 PM
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Not a department store per se, but kinda reminds me of this Old Navy building.

https://goo.gl/maps/rvHWdLbApNzxg1v78
I was just in that area a few days ago; stayed at the Marriott catty-corner to that Old Navy/ Trader Joe's.
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Old Posted Mar 9, 2020, 7:35 PM
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Île de la Cité here in Paris.


https://www.challenges.fr/economie/l...ication_653546

That's where it all began over 2000 years ago. Indeed I believe even the ancient Gauls already had a settlement there, even before the Roman conquest of the Gauls.
Of course, there's nothing left of those ancient times, but a couple of the most famous and oldest landmarks of the city sit there.

Most noticeably, for those who wouldn't know about the place yet:
- the Notre-Dame cathedral that's only been even more famous since it burned last year;
- the Sainte-Chapelle which is probably the greatest piece of Gothic architecture anywhere, located in the complex of the historic courthouse. It is not huge at all, still an absolute must-see if you're fascinated by Gothic churches for it's pretty splendid in there;
- and the Conciergerie, a medieval chateau that has served both as a royal residence for the Middle Ages and as a deadly jail for the French Revolution. Nowadays, it is some part of the old courthouse as well.

Anyway, the old island just remains the very center of the center. There's way too much history for it to ever be any other way.
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Anyway, the old island just remains the very center of the center. There's way too much history for it to ever be any other way.
I often wonder, when I see a picture like that, what sort of things you'd find if you could hold back the water and poke around on the riverbed for a while. You could probably fill a museum with the stuff that's been pitched in the Seine, or the Thames, the Spree, the Hudson...
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For San Francisco I'd say either the intersection of Market, Third, and Geary or maybe Market and Stockton/4th.
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For Toronto it would have to be Yonge & Dundas
https://goo.gl/maps/NTvm4FA9ouDQMn6D9

With Honourable mentions to:

King & Bay (heart of the financial district)
https://goo.gl/maps/1nh5GWhYVMbZYkDg8

Queen & Spadina
https://goo.gl/maps/nHNDAqjv3AWiDxEL8

Yonge & Bloor (busiest subway station)
https://goo.gl/maps/vx6AdT1G8JVYXuqS7

Nathan Phillips Square
https://goo.gl/maps/ZbvgL7NdmqEaanB79

Union Station area
https://goo.gl/maps/ChGS9ZWV1DGCStoC6
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Old Posted Mar 9, 2020, 8:23 PM
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Île de la Cité here in Paris.


https://www.challenges.fr/economie/l...ication_653546

That's where it all began over 2000 years ago. Indeed I believe even the ancient Gauls already had a settlement there, even before the Roman conquest of the Gauls.
Of course, there's nothing left of those ancient times, but a couple of the most famous and oldest landmarks of the city sit there.

Most noticeably, for those who wouldn't know about the place yet:
- the Notre-Dame cathedral that's only been even more famous since it burned last year;
- the Sainte-Chapelle which is probably the greatest piece of Gothic architecture anywhere, located in the complex of the historic courthouse. It is not huge at all, still an absolute must-see if you're fascinated by Gothic churches for it's pretty splendid in there;
- and the Conciergerie, a medieval chateau that has served both as a royal residence for the Middle Ages and as a deadly jail for the French Revolution. Nowadays, it is some part of the old courthouse as well.

Anyway, the old island just remains the very center of the center. There's way too much history for it to ever be any other way.
It's also home to "kilometre zero" for all roads in France, as far as I know.

As such the island might not just be the heart of Paris, it might arguably be the heart of France itself.
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Old Posted Mar 9, 2020, 8:35 PM
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It's also home to "kilometre zero" for all roads in France, as far as I know.

As such the island might not just be the heart of Paris, it might arguably be the heart of France itself.
La veritable Île de France?
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Old Posted Mar 9, 2020, 8:48 PM
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Yeah much like LA there isn't a unified center do to newer car oriented metros.

For phoenix

Until Very recently the "heart of the city" would probably be Camelback road between central and 44th street. For a very long time as the Downtown languished this area was really where all the business and action was.

You could also argue Old Town Scottsdale (which is an extension of the Camelback corridor).

Although I would argue that the Downtown is once again becoming the heart of the city, revived after nearly 50 years being forgotten.
I mostly agree with this. I would have never considered Scottsdale the "heart" of the Valley, but that probably has largely to do with the fact that Scottsdale has never been my scene.

As far as the particular intersection, I would say that right now it's probably 1st St./Washington or 2nd St./Washington

https://www.google.com/maps/@33.4483...7i16384!8i8192

These aren't dedicated public spaces like some of the suggestions in other cities here, but I think they roughly approximate the epicenter of the economic activity, cultural ameneties and action downtown.

But if/when Astra (the proposed new tallest for Phoenix) and some of the other proposals in the avenues (west side of downtown for non-Phoenicians) get built, I would say Civic Space Park will be the center/heart of Phoenix.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Ci...4d-112.0746513

https://www.google.com/maps/@33.4537...7i13312!8i6656

Looking at a satellite view of Phoenix, this makes sense, as it's sort of the center between the business district to the south and Roosevelt to the north. But it doesn't feel like the "heart" of Phoenix to me right now because it's still pretty desolate to the west.
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For Miami, there is no real heart of the City, no real single place where people gather for anything important. Especially on a regional level. The obvious answer would be Flagler St and Miami Ave since it is the "0 point" of the grid. All street numbers and addresses increase outward from that point. Its Miami so of course a Walgreens sits there, I think it is a law that every intersection must have at least one Walgreens.
https://www.google.com/maps/@25.7741...7i16384!8i8192

Tourists would probably pick 5th St and Collins or Ocean Dr (oh look another Walgreens):
https://www.google.com/maps/@25.7747...7i16384!8i8192

Or maybe Lincoln Rd & Washington Ave from a tourists perspective:
https://www.google.com/maps/@25.7907...7i13312!8i6656

Maybe S Miami Ave and 8th St as the heart of Brickell:
https://www.google.com/maps/@25.7664...7i16384!8i8192
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I mostly agree with this. I would have never considered Scottsdale the "heart" of the Valley, but that probably has largely to do with the fact that Scottsdale has never been my scene.

As far as the particular intersection, I would say that right now it's probably 1st St./Washington or 2nd St./Washington

https://www.google.com/maps/@33.4483...7i16384!8i8192

These aren't dedicated public spaces like some of the suggestions in other cities here, but I think they roughly approximate the epicenter of the economic activity, cultural ameneties and action downtown.

But if/when Astra (the proposed new tallest for Phoenix) and some of the other proposals in the avenues (west side of downtown for non-Phoenicians) get built, I would say Civic Space Park will be the center/heart of Phoenix.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Ci...4d-112.0746513

https://www.google.com/maps/@33.4537...7i13312!8i6656

Looking at a satellite view of Phoenix, this makes sense, as it's sort of the center between the business district to the south and Roosevelt to the north. But it doesn't feel like the "heart" of Phoenix to me right now because it's still pretty desolate to the west.
I would say in the last 6 or 7 years City Scape itself has played that roll but I agree I think the Park will become more central as the population on Roosevelt and the west side increases: https://goo.gl/maps/MhWRbZ5uYR2uN5sXA
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Old Posted Mar 9, 2020, 9:22 PM
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^^ those old Burdines buildings in downtown Miami could be really cool if ever renovated as loft apartments/condos.

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Yeah, Miami's tough to identify a central "heart" of the city... but I'd have to go with South Beach (particularly the stretch along Lummus Park/Ocean Drive between 5th & 15th).

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Old Posted Mar 9, 2020, 9:26 PM
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Los Angeles has many "centers" and "hearts," but for me anyway, LA's heart is the historic Los Angeles Plaza, in downtown LA, between North Main and Los Angeles Streets, north of Arcadia Street. Even though the Pueblo of Los Angeles was founded in 1781, the current plaza site dates from the 1810s, the original pueblo having been washed away in a flood, so the pueblo was relocated a little further from the LA River. Over the years, streets around it have been reconfigured and/or renamed, the Plaza shape itself has changed... but it's been there over 200 years.

https://www.google.com/maps/@34.0566...2!8i6656?hl=en

The Plaza in 1869:

Wikipedia

The Plaza circa 1930:

Wikipedia

I also think of the downtown intersection of First and Main as the "heart," of LA, address-wise; that is ground zero for where the north/south and east/west blocks of the City of Los Angeles address block numbering system originates (as well as unincorporated LA County, and some of the LA County cities that use the system). That's where 100 East 1st Street meets 100 West 1st Street meets 100 North Main Street meets 100 South Main Street. LA is so huge in area, and because the block numbers originate here, that's why you have addresses in the western San Fernando Valley like "22347 Vanowen Street."

Interestingly, Beverly Hills has its own block numbering system, so you can be driving down Wilshire Blvd. and then when you enter Beverly Hills, the street address numbers change, and then when you re-enter the city of LA on the other side of Beverly Hills, the address numbers jump again, but are in the "correct" sequence as if BH also used them.

You encounter frequent address number changes in the San Gabriel Valley, where different neighboring cities have their own address numbering systems, punctuated with unincorporated LA County islands that use the city of LA numbering system.
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Old Posted Mar 9, 2020, 9:28 PM
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In essence, Peachtree Street is the heart of Atlanta.

Five Points (the intersection/convergence of Peachtree, Marietta, Decatur and Edgwood streets) is the traditional center/heart of Downtown Atlanta especially after the viaducts were built. Historically, it was the Underground Atlanta area just to south.


http://www.google.com/maps/@33.75435...4!8i8192?hl=en


Peachtree at Andrew Young International Downtown
http://www.google.com/maps/@33.75991...4!8i8192?hl=en


http://www.google.com/maps/@33.75973...4!8i8192?hl=en


However, the heart of Atlanta has expanded and gradually shifted more toward the north.
Peachtree at 14th Midtown
http://www.google.com/maps/@33.78649...4!8i8192?hl=en

Peachtree Center area in 1945
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Depends on who you ask in LA

7th and Broadway
Figueroa and 11th/Chick Hearn ct
Hollywood and Vine
Sunset Strip
Miracle Mile
7th and Broadway is a good choice. I've stayed in that area before. Figueroa and 11th seems a little more event dependent. Are there any plans for that parking lot in that corner across from Oceanwide?
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Peachtree Center area in 1945
Wow! I love that photograph.
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