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Old Posted Feb 8, 2011, 4:25 AM
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hehe well, you guys have a pretty wealthy province now, maybe some extra provincial funds might help?


For Sask, Rider pride is a whole other story than anywhere else in the country.

To be honest, I view the new Winnipeg stadium as the a beacon...don't forget that while it wont be $430 MM, it will still be state-of-the-art.
No one's more excited than me to see the new stadium after many years of attending games at Winnipeg stadium but what exactly will make it "state of the art". Is it going to be a great functional stadium or will it have new cutting edge features?
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hehe well, you guys have a pretty wealthy province now, maybe some extra provincial funds might help?


For Sask, Rider pride is a whole other story than anywhere else in the country.

To be honest, I view the new Winnipeg stadium as the a beacon...don't forget that while it wont be $430 MM, it will still be state-of-the-art.

You guys in Regina will be important in shaping the future of the CFL. If you go big, others will go big. Its good for the CFL.


As a tax payer though, is it worth it?

These are the two sides of the coin. Stadiums and what-not are never good investments, financially speaking. But its the way cookie's crumble I suppose
The CFL does not have the economic model to "go big". I don't see anyone else taking this path. BC has a new retrofit stadium, Winnipeg is not going big, Hamilton is not going big, Toronto can't even afford to go small, Ottawa is not going big, Montreal is not building anything new and uses the Big "O" for big, Edmonton already has big so that leaves Calgary as your only potential to "go big" and I don't see that happening. Saskatchewan's "big" project is a mistake and will be a financial disaster for Regina. If they were smart, they would go the same route as Winnipeg.
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The CFL does not have the economic model to "go big". I don't see anyone else taking this path. BC has a new retrofit stadium, Winnipeg is not going big, Hamilton is not going big, Toronto can't even afford to go small, Ottawa is not going big, Montreal is not building anything new and uses the Big "O" for big, Edmonton already has big so that leaves Calgary as your only potential to "go big" and I don't see that happening. Saskatchewan's "big" project is a mistake and will be a financial disaster for Regina. If they were smart, they would go the same route as Winnipeg.

The thing about the BC retrofit is the new roof is costing over $400 million. To me that is pretty "go big" if you ask me. More than double the price of our brand new state of the art stadium just for a roof. Hamilton is also basically getting a complete rebuild now, much like the former design for the Winnipeg stadium - tear down one side, rebuild, repeat.
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Saskatchewan's "big" project is a product of big Saskatchewan demand for football. What demand is in other markets is irrelevant. Saskatchewan is the football capital of Canada so naturally they're going to build a shrine to the sport they love.
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hehe well, you guys have a pretty wealthy province now, maybe some extra provincial funds might help?


For Sask, Rider pride is a whole other story than anywhere else in the country.

To be honest, I view the new Winnipeg stadium as the a beacon...don't forget that while it wont be $430 MM, it will still be state-of-the-art.

You guys in Regina will be important in shaping the future of the CFL. If you go big, others will go big. Its good for the CFL.


As a tax payer though, is it worth it?

These are the two sides of the coin. Stadiums and what-not are never good investments, financially speaking. But its the way cookie's crumble I suppose
stadiums were never ment to make money they were ment as a way to controll people with entertainment
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stadiums were never ment to make money they were ment as a way to controll people with entertainment
Who tells you to say this stuff?
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The CFL does not have the economic model to "go big". I don't see anyone else taking this path. BC has a new retrofit stadium, Winnipeg is not going big, Hamilton is not going big, Toronto can't even afford to go small, Ottawa is not going big, Montreal is not building anything new and uses the Big "O" for big, Edmonton already has big so that leaves Calgary as your only potential to "go big" and I don't see that happening. Saskatchewan's "big" project is a mistake and will be a financial disaster for Regina. If they were smart, they would go the same route as Winnipeg.
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Saskatchewan's "big" project is a product of big Saskatchewan demand for football. What demand is in other markets is irrelevant. Saskatchewan is the football capital of Canada so naturally they're going to build a shrine to the sport they love.
We also provide more players per capita to the NHL than any other region in the world. We should get an NHL team too . OK, only after Winnipeg gets one.
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Who tells you to say this stuff?


look at the coliceium its a stadium...
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look at the coliceium its a stadium...
Download Firefox or Chrome man. It will help, trust me.
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look at the coliceium its a stadium...
I've always wanted to see a gladiator show.

Really man, c'mon.
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Download Firefox or Chrome man. It will help, trust me.
its useless when it gives u the spelling for calcium...
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its useless when it gives u the spelling for calcium...
That means your spelling is so bad that even Firefox/Chrome couldn't figure out what you were trying to spell.
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the big stadium in rome u know the coluciem
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the big stadium in rome u know the coluciem
When my spelling is so off that firefox can't correct it, I go to google:

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You guys do know that the whole revitalization of the polo park stadium site goes totally abuses the intent ofwhat the TIF is meant to be used and perhaps puts a strain of where its suppose to be used like in areas by downtown. Just minus David Asper in the article and you still have more or less the idea of rebuilding the polo park site.

http://blackrod.blogspot.com/2010/03...enough-to.html

"Selinger's new stadium, big enough to hold the ballooning provincial deficit.
There. That didn't take long, did it?

One week after the provincial budget, unelected Premier Greg Selinger has already overspent the projected deficit by $90 million.

The province will borrow the money to lend to to a millionaire so he can achieve his lifelong dream of owning a football team.
Who says this isn't a province of opportunity---for the rich and connected like Winnipeg's First Family of Millionaire Moochers, the Aspers.

As predicted here last October
http://blackrod.blogspot.com/2009/10...llionaire.html
baby brother David's big ideas to raise money to buy the Winnipeg Blue Bombers and build a new football stadium have gone nowhere.
So he went running to where all millionaire moochers go, to the government.

Sister Gail's sugar daddy was former premier Gary Doer who funnelled tens of millions of dollars of provincial tax money to her human rights museum. David now has his own sugar daddy in new-but-unelected premier Greg Selinger, the dirtiest politician in Manitoba, the man who propped up the Crocus Fund after it became a Ponzi scheme and who covered up the NDP's 1999 election fraud, after insisting on a letter exonerating himself from blame.

With the dust of the collapse of the Canwest media empire still in his ears, David Asper still fancies himself a captain of industry. Unfortunately, it appears, no bank will lend him a dime despite his collateral, three u-hauls full of Canwest stock.
Enter Selinger to save the day.

Greg Selinger announced this morning he will lend Asper $90 million to build a new stadium for the Winnipeg Blue Bombers at the University of Manitoba. Asper is expected to come up with $10 million (Bwahahaha...ed.). Somebody else (the team?) will come up with another $15 million.

But Selinger is a poor loan shark. Asper will have six years to pay back the money (plus interest at going rates, we hope) or else he's lost his chance to own the team. He still plans to raise the money by developing a high end shopping mall at the site of the current football stadium near Polo Park.

If Asper fails (if, he says...ed) the province has a fallback, Selinger claimed. You see, he said, the province will consider the loan as an advance under the new Tax Increment Financing Act. If Asper fails (if, he says...ed) the taxes that will be collected on any development at the old stadium site will be used to cover the cost of the loan.

Uh....not so fast.

You see, the law is actually called The Community Revitalization Tax Increment Financing Act. Here's how then-Intergovernmental Affairs Minister Steve Ashton described the law when it was introduced in 2008:

"Under the new bill, properties or areas would be designated as development or revitalization zones and would then become eligible for TIF. This would mean that incremental property tax increases in the zone would be placed into a separate fund for time-limited period to pay for infrastructure and other economic supports in the zone. Once the zone is redeveloped, and the TIF zone is lifted the expanded tax base returns to the municipality, the province and the school division."

Since when is a football stadium in Fort Garry "in the zone" of Polo Park?
Legally, then, money raised from any development at Polo Park cannot be taken out of that "separate fund" and spent across town, can it?

Selinger is going to have to change the law to let him get away with using TIF money to backstop David Asper, just like he having to change the balanced budget law to let him overspend year after year after year after year.

The TIF Act was intended to "revitalize" neighbourhoods. Is there anyone who believes Polo Park needs "revitalization"? Or is the University of Manitoba so poor and decrepit it qualifies? This is a blatant misuse of the legislation to revitalize the NDP in vote-rich south Winnipeg.

And $90 million is just the start.
Who's going to cover cost overruns? Yeah, that's who.

And who's that in line? Oh yeah, that's who. Hello Gail.

Yep, the rest of the first family of millionaire moochers is lining up to put the touch on the Manitoba taxpayer.

Remember, the Canadian Museum for Human Rights has a plan to come up with the $9 million in city taxes they "forgot" to budget for: get the money from the provincial government. Sadly, for Gail, her boyfriend Gary Doer is gone to Washington. But Selinger is playing Santa with the provincial treasury.
Shall we start a pool for the day he announces he's bailing Gail out of her problem? When's that election, again?

And speaking of the museum .... A sharp-eyed reader noticed that the backers of the museum claim they've raised anther $5 million towards their $45 million cost overrun. Ahh, remember the good ol' days when they held news conferences and exchanged grins while holding up huge mock donation cheques? Nowadays the donations seem to be thin envelopes passed in back alleys.

Gail Asper has turned into the 21st Century equivalent of television evangelists, begging for donations in weekly installments. Even worse is the pathetic piggybacking on the causes of others.

The Panache International Model & Talent Search will be held April 17 at Portage Place. Registration fees this year will be donated to the Canadian Museum for Human Rights. Oww.

And remember the performance by comedienne Joan Rivers at The Live This Life Expo at the Fort Garry Hotel which so disgusted Free Press columnist Lindor Reynolds? How many of you read the small print?
" Tickets to the gala, which includes a "diamond champagne dinner" are $175 each ($1,750 per table) with net proceeds to the Canadian Museum for Human Rights."

Unfortunately, Joan Rivers doesn't come cheap. Comedianbookings.com says her fee ranges from $100,000 and up, so "net proceeds" might have been paltry. How's a millionaire going to fund her pet project at that rate?

Oh yeah... Greg Selinger is the premier and he's writing cheques as fast as his scandal-stained hands can.
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When my spelling is so off that firefox can't correct it, I go to google:

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Are we talking about spelling mistakes or stadiums? They both start with "S"
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