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Old Posted Mar 25, 2006, 3:46 PM
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^ hmm, good observation
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 25, 2006, 4:45 PM
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FINALLY someone does balconies right.


It's a bit too squat though. If it was a bit taller it'd be a gem. The idea is great, but it doesn't really work that well with shorter designs. If it was 45-50 stories it'd be great. But it isn't bad.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 25, 2006, 5:25 PM
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AURA gonna be a slender building topping out at 444', depending on what
angle you view it from it can look wide or slender. Now that the office tower
right next to it has all most finished digging it's foundation, it give us a better
idea of how slender the AURA foot print will really be.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 25, 2006, 10:35 PM
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FINALLY someone does balconies right.


It's a bit too squat though. If it was a bit taller it'd be a gem. The idea is great, but it doesn't really work that well with shorter designs. If it was 45-50 stories it'd be great. But it isn't bad.
You might like The Epic -- it is also a Libeskinde design and will be 55 stories...

http://www.epictower.com/
     
     
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What's going to make or break this project, IMO, is how they finish the bottom of those balconies. If they're left as exposed or painted concrete, it could look cheap and unfinished (though painted will look better). If they finish them with sheet metal panels or some other high-end material that shimmers, this will be a marvelous project, especially looking up at it from street level.
i agree. the devil is always in the details. i think this would have a big effect since there are so many balconies.

as for the tower being "fatter": i dont think so.
i can think of a dozen towers just off the top of my head that look very different from different viewing angles - sometimes its done on purpose (ie. waterview tower chicago). i think its just the unusual shape of the building that is playing tricks on the eyes.
     
     
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oh, i forgot to say the new model looks really good, as does the showroom! man, i would kill for that view!
     
     
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I really like the cutlines formed by the varying length balconies - it really makes this building unique.
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Here's what to expect from AURA over the next two weeks

The sales event is April 7, 8 & 9. During this time pricing will not go up
however on Monday, if there are any more units available the pricing will rise
substantially. They will have opened up their reservation list so that
everyone has the opportunity to get in on the ground floor pricing, however
being on the reservation list does not guarantee being able to purchase a
unit since they do have more folks on the reservation list than units
(standard business operating procedure).


They also have their "yellow paper" which means that DRE has given to them
to go ahead and take hard money. The sales event will be invitation only
and it will be "THE" party of the year.
     
     
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those pictures look awesome!
     
     
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Yeah despite being shorter than the Towers, Aura will be Iconic on Sacramento's skyline. At least until Epic goes up and then it will probably steal the show.
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Wall Street Journal article on Celebrity Architects

Condos With a Name: 'Available'
The Architect May Be A-List,
But the Location Often Isn't;
Meier, Libeskind Languish
By TROY MCMULLEN
March 31, 2006; Page W1

It sounds like the ultimate home: A stylish urban condo with huge windows, sleek surfaces and the imprimatur of the star architect who designed it all.
Yet some high-end developers are discovering that it takes more than a name to move the merchandise.

At Charles Gwathmey's Astor Place in Manhattan, one apartment has sold since September.

Daniel Libeskind, famed for his plan to rebuild Ground Zero, designed an angular, 56-unit building in downtown Denver, yet the project hasn't recorded a sale in seven months, leaving 15 apartments unsold. Architect Robert A.M. Stern's name tops the marketing brochures for a high-rise in Stamford, Conn., but half of the 91 apartments remain available 18 months after sales began. And after two years of high-profile promotion, the newest Manhattan tower by Richard Meier, architect of Los Angeles's Getty Museum, has sold just 15 of its 31 units (not counting five bought by its developers).
Backers of these projects had hoped the cachet of a famous architect would inoculate them from a real-estate downturn. They have been charging a premium for their properties, and most aren't lowering prices. Yet these developers often ignored the first rule of real estate -- location -- and built in marginal neighborhoods far from other luxury homes and upscale stores. Some buyers, meantime, may simply have grown weary of all the name-dropping about these "starchitects."
The slowdown appears to have prompted some developers to exaggerate their sales figures. Marketers for Mr. Meier's 165 Charles Street, along Manhattan's Hudson River waterfront, had widely distributed information to potential buyers and the media stating that 24 of the building's 31 units had sold. But a look at deeds filed with the city showed a much lower number.

Izak Senbahar, co-developer of the project, says 15 apartments have been bought by outside buyers. He and his business partner bought five units, and deals for four more are in progress, he says. Mr. Senbahar defends the initial sales figures his group distributed, saying they never attempted to mislead buyers by purchasing the five units and lumping them into the sales totals. Moreover, he says, the number of unsold units "is not a factor for sophisticated buyers. If they like what they see they'll buy it." He adds that he and his partner are unsure what they ultimately will do with four of their units -- the fifth will be used by the building's superintendent -- but they may eventually put them back on the market.
A co-developer of Mr. Libeskind's Museum Residences in Denver, Corporex Colorado, reported a year ago that the project had sold two-thirds of its units. Reached last week, Glen Sibley, a vice president at the company, recited the same figure. "Perhaps the earlier number was a bit high," Mr. Sibley says.
"Developers try hard to create buzz for a project," says Las Vegas developer Laurence Hallier. "Telling buyers or the media that a project is nearly sold out or is going fast is all part of the game."
Charles Auster, a 54-year-old investment banker, says he considered buying in one of the half-dozen architect-branded buildings in lower Manhattan, but he choked on their prices and was wary of their out-of-the-way locations. "I'm not sure there's value there," Mr. Auster says, adding he feared the condos may not do well in the resale market. Instead, Mr. Auster spent about $2.4 million for a 1,450-square-foot apartment in Midtown with a fireplace, den and views of Central Park. "You can't get that [view] in those buildings," he says.
One building Mr. Auster had considered is Mr. Meier's waterfront tower in Manhattan. The white-metal-and-glass structure, standing next to two similar ones also designed by the architect, is priced at about $2,500 a square foot -- well above the $1,610-a-square-foot average for other luxury buildings in Manhattan in the fourth quarter of 2005, according to appraiser firm Miller Samuel. Yet instead of Mr. Auster's Central Park views, the project abuts a noisy highway with unobstructed views of New Jersey. No sales contracts have been executed in the building since December, says co-developer Mr. Senbahar.
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But at least that tower got built. Two years ago, developer Frank J. Sciame hired Pritzker Prize-winning Spanish architect Santiago Calatrava to create one of the most highly stylized apartment houses ever envisioned for New York. The building in lower Manhattan would consist of 10 cube-like apartment units, each 45 feet high, cantilevered one atop each other around a central axis. Yet none of the units -- asking $29 million to $45 million each -- has even received a bid, let alone sold, says Mr. Sciame, and construction hasn't started. Other high-profile Manhattan projects have been scrapped outright, including costly condos that were to be designed by architects Frank Gehry and Zaha Hadid.
In Miami, a tower designed by Mr. Meier also hasn't broken ground. Real-estate brokers with knowledge of the development say the 101-unit structure, Beach House, may soon be canceled because of a lack of preconstruction sales. The developers, Lynx Strategic Development, didn't return calls seeking comment.

Daniel Libeskind's Museum Residences in Denver.

In Denver, the Museum Residences saw an initial rush of sales after Mr. Libeskind's design hit the market in 2004. But there hasn't been a sale since September, says the developer. The apartments start at $500 a square foot, a record for the Colorado capital. But the project's location isn't as high-end: It's near the city's courthouses, and bail bonds are sold in converted Victorian homes nearby. Yet a few blocks away, a 15-story luxury condo called the Beauvallon has sold out. Though it wasn't designed by a famous architect, it's closer to a more desirable residential neighborhood and its units were priced at $140 a square foot.
Hope Engsberg-Rauzi was looking to downsize when she put her six-acre, Denver-area property on the market last year. The 46-year-old anesthesiologist says she'd heard a lot about the Libeskind-designed apartments but suffered sticker shock when she walked into the sales office. "The cheapest thing in my range was over a million dollars," she says. Instead, Ms. Engsberg-Rauzi paid $810,000 for a three-bedroom, 2,400-square-foot condo at a complex under development west of downtown. "I got more bang for the buck," she says.
At Mr. Stern's Stamford high-rise, called Highgrove, the cheapest two-bedroom unit starts at $1.35 million -- well above similar-sized apartments in the coastal Connecticut city. While the Stern project sits half empty, Mill River House, a recently completed project a few blocks away, sold all 92 of its condos since they went on sale 16 months ago, says co-developer Seth Weinstein. Prices ranged from $350,000 to $550,000.
Yet developers of architect-promoted buildings maintain they aren't concerned by the slowdown. "This is a premier property, designed with the best of everything," says David Wine, vice chairman of Related Cos., developer of a New York building called Astor Place. He says apartments at the undulating glass tower, designed by architect Charles Gwathmey, are worth their prices. But just one condo has sold since September, leaving 15 of the 39 units empty.

The 115-story Fordham Spire, by Santiago Calatrava, hasn't yet broken ground in Chicago.

Real-estate-market analyst Lewis Goodkin, of Goodkin Consulting in Miami, says these developers seem to think it's still 2004 and that the allure of the architects' names will attract wealthy buyers. "The market has adjusted since then, but they haven't," he says.
Some developers of the star-architect buildings have reacted to the slump by stepping up their marketing -- hiring pop stars to host sales events, handing out freebies such as iPods to potential buyers and even offering free memberships in a vintage-car club. Astor Place turned over an empty apartment to Esquire magazine last November for 20 days. The unit, listed at $12.5 million, got a lavish, full-page photo spread in the monthly. It's still on the market.
Not all celebrity-architect buildings have been slow to sell. Mr. Stern's prewar-style apartment house on Manhattan's Central Park West is more than 50% sold after just two months on the market. Elsewhere in New York, apartments at a building that's a collaboration between the French architect Jean Nouvel and hotelier Andre Balazs went on sale two months ago and buyers already have signed contracts on 31 of its 40 units, its developers say.
Despite the languid market, more architect-linked apartments are in the works. Astor Place developer Related Cos. has begun working with Mr. Gehry on a 50-story condo complex across from the architect's Disney Concert Hall in Los Angeles. Phillip Johnson and the Swiss firm Herzog & de Meuron, which designed London's Tate Modern museum, have been hired for condo buildings in Manhattan. Mr. Libeskind has signed on to design condos in Covington, Ky., and Sacramento, Calif. And Mr. Stern's firm has apartment projects under way in Dallas, Atlanta, and Los Angeles.
Mr. Stern, who is dean of architecture at Yale University, says architects take on some risks to their reputation when a project with their name on it doesn't sell strongly. But, he says, a noted designer will ultimately be judged on the quality of his work, not on sales figures, which he says are linked to the overall real-estate market. "The product is the product," says Mr. Stern. "If a building's design is well-perceived, but unfortunately doesn't do well, it should have no effect on the architect."
     
     
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Condos With a Name: 'Available'
The Architect May Be A-List,
But the Location Often Isn't;
Meier, Libeskind Languish
By TROY MCMULLEN
March 31, 2006; Page W1
Interesting article, CG. Thanks for posting it.

I guess the one big difference between the buildings they describe and Aura is that Aura's location is very desirable while the other buildings mentioned appear to be in more marginal locations.

I might be wrong but I think most folks interested in these projects are more concerned with the location, design and amenities than with who the architect is. If the premium to be in a Libeskind building is too high there's no way I'm going to buy. Only folks with lots of discretionary income will be willing to pay extra for the cachet of living in a building designed by a "starchitect."

I'll find out in one week just how much of a premium Nassi is placing on the units at Aura. I have an appointment to go in next Saturday afternoon at which time we'll get to see the final floor plans and prices.

I thought the model apartment looked great although my wife wasn't as wild about it. Sleek and modern without being cold. Top of the line cabinets and appliances. The floor to ceiling glass, and glass enclosures for balconies, will insure incredible views. We were told the model was about 760 sq.ft. and I was surprised at how roomy the living room/dining room area felt. Not a lot of storage space, which will be tough for folks like ourselves downsizing from single-family houses. I haven't compared the plans carefully to the Towers but my sense is that because there are less apartments per floor they were able to get more efficient use of the floor space. The floorplans for the Towers seem to have more corridors and narrow living room/dining room areas.

I'm guessing we'll be in major sticker shock after they tell us the prices next week. We'll see...
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 2, 2006, 2:29 AM
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It's interesting to me that some people see the location of Aura and the Towers as prime locations. To me, they are located in what is now a sterile business district, which has no life after all the downtown commuters leave. Hopefully this will all be significantly different in ten years and the downtown area will be densly populated with lots of condo towers.

We will all be interested to hear about your "sticker shock" experience, and whether you go through with the purchase once presented with the final plans, sales contract, and price. Good luck. I hope they keep the prices within your realm of expectations so that they don't price the project out of getting built immediately.
     
     
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It's interesting to me that some people see the location of Aura and the Towers as prime locations. To me, they are located in what is now a sterile business district, which has no life after all the downtown commuters leave.
And these projects will be the first to change that around. It will be interesting to see how the area evolves.
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It's interesting to me that some people see the location of Aura and the Towers as prime locations.
You have to look at the bigger picture...

Because your adjacent to Light Rail, 3 blocks from the train station, one block from a Downtown Plaza, 3 to 4 blocks from Old Sacramento and the riverfront, across the bridge from Raley Field, one block form K street (if it ever sees light at the end of the tunnel.
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You have to look at the bigger picture...

Because your adjacent to Light Rail, 3 blocks from the train station, one block from a Downtown Plaza, 3 to 4 blocks from Old Sacramento and the riverfront, across the bridge from Raley Field, one block form K street (if it ever sees light at the end of the tunnel.
don't worry about what construction guy says. He doesn't really appear to know a whole lot about construction. This is the same guy who earlier insisted that floor to ceiling windows were an impossibility and doubted that either project would get built. He's been wrong on just about every "controversial" point he's tried to make. To say that Capitol Mall isn't a good location is ridiculous. It's the most expensive real estate in the entire Central Valley and when the residential units come to market, the retail and services will be there to meet them. That, and the location attributes you so astutely recognized above will make for a fabulous place to live.
     
     
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When my parents bought a condo in West LA earlier this year, I was a bit disappointed because the neighborhood is purely residential...but I guess that's what they were actually looking for. If they walk a block or two up they're at Santa Monica Blvd where they can get anything they want. In fact theyre just a few blocks from the Century City Mall as well. It's probably comparable to the condos along Cap Mall... you walk a few blocks north or south and you've got retail again (hell, they'll be right next to DT Plaza). But yeah, I totally agree that the Towers and Aura will be catalyst projects and the residents are probably somewhat aware that they'll be "de-virginizing" that part of downtown.
     
     
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I'm going to be up in sac from the 7th till the 11th and I 'll be checking out the Aura release party on fri eve, I cant wait the model looks so awsome, it'll also be nice to see a big hole where the new U.S Bank tower is going up, finally some progress.
     
     
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Did they buy in the new building on the Wilshire corridor?
     
     
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