The Great Canadian Transit Thread - Page 679

p_xavier · #**13561** Posted **Feb 13, 2020, 4:19 PM**

Here are the official names of the REM stations. (minus one)

https://rem.info/en/news/station-names

Chadillaccc · #**13562** Posted **Feb 13, 2020, 5:51 PM**

From Silence&Motion over at SRC...

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In a heroic act of procrastination, I decided to calculate the per capita number of rapid transit stations for every CMA in Canada that has a rapid transit system.

I thought Calgary might actually be first, but it turns out that Montreal has the most stations based on its population. This lead will increase once it completes the RER line that is currently under construction. However, if Calgary were to build the first phase of the Green Line, it would have the most stations per capita. This, of course, assumes that population differences don't radically change and that other cities don't also build more stations per capita in the time it takes us to build the Green Line. That may actually be a pretty good bet given how far behind Ottawa and Edmonton are, and that Toronto and Montreal would need to build many more stations to account for their much larger populations. Montreal, for example, would have to build an additional 25 stations beyond what is already under construction to get below 24,648 people per station. However, if K-W completes the second stage of their LRT line, they would have the most stations per capita, but I'm not sure if there is actually any funding for that line at this point.

Some notes:
- Only rail stations are included (no buses!)
- One-way stations only count for half (sorry Calgary and Kitchener)
- Planned stations are not included because it is hard to figure out how likely they are to be built.
- I tried to avoid double-counting stations that serve more than one line with some exceptions. E.g. I figured Union Station in Toronto should be considered to house one commuter rail station (that serves multiple lines) and one subway station (so it's counted twice).

https://calgary.skyrisecities.com/forum/...lgary-transit.24786/page-38#post-1529365

p_xavier · #**13563** Posted **Feb 13, 2020, 7:02 PM**

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Originally Posted by Chadillaccc

From Silence&Motion over at SRC...

https://calgary.skyrisecities.com/forum/...lgary-transit.24786/page-38#post-1529365

Good idea. Montréal should be +26 Light Metro and - 11 Heavy Rail for Under Construction.

Reecemartin · #**13564** Posted **Feb 13, 2020, 7:25 PM**

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Dengler Avenue · #**13565** Posted **Feb 13, 2020, 7:27 PM**

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T1 subway trains were running on Line 1 today due to the derailment - a rare sight!

https://youtu.be/KyWEl1T1Yxw

Relic train on Line 1, rare sight indeed!

Acajack · #**13566** Posted **Feb 13, 2020, 7:31 PM**

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Originally Posted by p_xavier

Here are the official names of the REM stations. (minus one)

https://rem.info/en/news/station-names

Hopefully the last one is Griffintown and not "Bassin Peel".

Chadillaccc · #**13567** Posted **Feb 13, 2020, 7:39 PM**

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Originally Posted by p_xavier

Good idea. Montréal should be +26 Light Metro and - 11 Heavy Rail for Under Construction.

Yeah I thought something looked wrong in Montreal's numbers, I knew the REM was way bigger than 12 stations. But what are the 11 heavy stations being decommissioned? Or did you mean +11? In either case, which?

Acajack · #**13568** Posted **Feb 13, 2020, 7:43 PM**

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Originally Posted by Chadillaccc

Yeah I thought something looked wrong in Montreal's numbers, I knew the REM was way bigger than 12 stations. But what are the 11 heavy stations being decommissioned? Or did you mean +11? In either case, which?

I believe they're former heavy rail commuter train stations being converted to REM.

GreaterMontréal · #**13569** Posted **Feb 13, 2020, 8:16 PM**

The Deux-Montagnes or EXO 6 Line has 12 stations. But Gare Centrale should not be included as it is the terminal station, so 11. The REM will be extended and many more stations will be built.

p_xavier · #**13570** Posted **Feb 13, 2020, 10:35 PM**

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Originally Posted by GreaterMontréal

The Deux-Montagnes or EXO 6 Line has 12 stations. But Gare Centrale should not be included as it is the terminal station, so 11. The REM will be extended and many more stations will be built.

Actually there should also also be a +1 Commuter train station for the one under construction at Côte-de-Liesse and might be two additional this year because of the Mascouche EXO Line 5 going around the mountain to Central Station.

p_xavier · #**13571** Posted **Feb 13, 2020, 10:53 PM**

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Originally Posted by Reecemartin

T1 subway trains were running on Line 1 today due to the derailment - a rare sight!

https://youtu.be/KyWEl1T1Yxw

Reece, I'd like you to do full length lines someday. I personally don't enjoy timelapses at all.

GeneralLea · #**13572** Posted **Feb 13, 2020, 11:00 PM**

Nice to see those T1's there....although I still prefer them in some ways to the new ones.

SkahHigh · #**13573** Posted **Feb 14, 2020, 12:16 AM**

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Originally Posted by p_xavier

Actually there should also also be a +1 Commuter train station for the one under construction at Côte-de-Liesse and might be two additional this year because of the Mascouche EXO Line 5 going around the mountain to Central Station.

Not sure I would count Côte-de-Liesse as a commuter rail station but debatable.

It should be +1 commuter rail for Montreal because the Mirabel station is U/C.

p_xavier · #**13574** Posted **Feb 14, 2020, 9:38 AM**

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Originally Posted by SkahHigh

Not sure I would count Côte-de-Liesse as a commuter rail station but debatable.

It should be +1 commuter rail for Montreal because the Mirabel station is U/C.

Right, I forgot that one. Finally after decades.

Dengler Avenue · #**13575** Posted **Feb 14, 2020, 5:26 PM**

http://www.metrolinx.com/en/greaterregion/projects/yonge-subway-extension.aspx
Metrolinx now has an official website for TTC Line 1 extension.

Reecemartin · #**13576** Posted **Feb 15, 2020, 1:43 PM**

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Truenorth00 · #**13577** Posted **Feb 15, 2020, 2:59 PM**

I wish Canadian transit authorities moved faster on bus electrification. The business case is already there. And costs are dropping. They need to start budgeting for the infrastructure upgrades they need and move to procuring only electric buses. I'd argue they can fully electrify by 2030. But even 2035 seems more reasonable than their current tepid 2040 goals. Just plan to go to 100% BEB purchases by 2025.

Full electrification should also reduce pressure on fares and make operating costs more predictable and manageable.

J.OT13 · #**13578** Posted **Feb 15, 2020, 3:36 PM**

We're having major issues in Ottawa with our Confederation Line rolling stock. We ordered 17 trains as part of Stage 1 with the plan to run 15 at rush hour with 2 spares. The City ended up accepting 13 for rush hour service (after pushing the 15 number for years, the City proclaimed after testing that we just need 13 due to a reduction in ridership which is why they let the contractor (RTG) complete testing with just 13). So that should have give us 13 for rush with 4 spares.

Over the last few weeks, its not uncommon that RTM, RTG's operation and maintenance arm, to provide as little as 8 trains for rush-hour, which is a which is 61.5% of the 13 we require and 53.3% of what was in the original contract OR 47% of the entire fleet. So at times, more than half our fleet is MIA. Problems seem to be mostly around flat wheels and electrical issues (dirty roof and pantograph). We had two trains collide in the yard recently, causing damage to side panels. We had a pantograph snag an overhead wire and dragging it into an underground station (St-Laurent). Many other issues have come up.

Does this happen anywhere else where the City has to tell its citizens to brace for ridiculously overcrowded commutes because x number of trains are out of commission? Or is that just an Ottawa thing?

I get that a new system will experience growing pains, but after 6 months with a fleet as small as ours, it's getting out of hand.

Chadillaccc · #**13579** Posted **Feb 15, 2020, 5:26 PM**

It has happened elsewhere for sure, but most of these issues just seem to be the fault of terrible planning decisions made by the city.

The wire snags just happen every now and then unfortunately though. It happened in Calgary two years ago and took the entire Red Line (60% of our ridership) offline for hours during rush hour, and rendered the southbound tracks from Tuscany to Dalhousie (4 km ish) inoperable for days.

The reduction in trains just seems lazy and incomprehensibly short sighted to me though. Have they stated if they're going to do anything about it?

p_xavier · #**13580** Posted **Feb 15, 2020, 9:24 PM**

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Originally Posted by Truenorth00

I wish Canadian transit authorities moved faster on bus electrification. The business case is already there. And costs are dropping. They need to start budgeting for the infrastructure upgrades they need and move to procuring only electric buses. I'd argue they can fully electrify by 2030. But even 2035 seems more reasonable than their current tepid 2040 goals. Just plan to go to 100% BEB purchases by 2025.

Full electrification should also reduce pressure on fares and make operating costs more predictable and manageable.

For the STM, upgrades to bus garages are estimated to be about 2G$. The 2025 year of all electric purchases is still the plan.