Canadian Airport Thread II

[samuelx88]

Originally Posted by Calfan12

That’s good Montreal YUL is getting a nonstop flight ✈️ to Seoul Incheon (ICN), South Korea on Air Canada for Summer 2024.

After WestJet announced Calgary YYC- ICN- YYC route ,3x weekly for S24 & operated by WS Boeing 787-9, in December 2023 from Canada’s 4th busiest airport .

I thought YUL would eventually get a ICN route on AC✅.

Let's hope it won't prevent Korean ICN-YQB from coming back in the Autumn this year.

[Calfan12]

Originally Posted by samuelx88

Let's hope it won't prevent Korean ICN-YQB from coming back in the Autumn this year.

I’m not sure (if) Korean Air has plans for Quebec City (YQB) flights this Autumn season 2024,like in 2023??

As Korean Air has just increased Seoul ICN - Vancouver YVR- ICN service for S24 season,from mid May - end of October.
___________________________________________________________________________________________________
Korean Air today (13MAR24) filed service expansion on Seoul Incheon – Vancouver route for Northern summer 2024 season, as the airline plans to increase service from 7 to 9 weekly from 20MAY24, 10 from 06JUL24. Additional service will be operated by Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner.

KE071 ICN1845 – 1250YVR 789 D
KE8075 ICN2240 – 1645YVR 789 146

KE8076 YVR0100 – 0420+1ICN 789 25
KE072 YVR1440 – 1750+1ICN 789 D
KE8076 YVR1930 – 2250+1ICN 789 6

Reservation for KE8075/8076 opened since 0500GMT 13MAR24. KE8075/8076 on Day 6 is effective 06JUL24.

https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/240313-kens24yvr

Basically is a increase in S24,for nonstop flights✈️ between South Korea & Canada✅.

Korean Air : ICN-YVR-ICN 7-9/10x weekly operated on Boeing 787-9 .
Air Canada : ICN- YVR -ICN- frequency remains the same 7x weekly & operated on Boeing 777 .
Korean Air & Air Canada : ICN- Toronto YYZ - ICN, both 7x weekly operated on Boeing 787-9 .
Air Canada : Montreal YUL -ICN- YUL ,4x weekly operated on Boeing 787-9 - *new service starts mid June*
WestJet : Calgary YYC - ICN- YYC ,3x weekly operated on Boeing 787-9 - *new service starts mid May*

[samuelx88]

Originally Posted by Calfan12

I’m not sure (if) Korean Air has plans for Quebec City (YQB) flights this Autumn season 2024,like in 2023??

As Korean Air has just increased Seoul ICN - Vancouver YVR- ICN service for S24 season,from mid May - end of October.
___________________________________________________________________________________________________
Korean Air today (13MAR24) filed service expansion on Seoul Incheon – Vancouver route for Northern summer 2024 season, as the airline plans to increase service from 7 to 9 weekly from 20MAY24, 10 from 06JUL24. Additional service will be operated by Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner.

KE071 ICN1845 – 1250YVR 789 D
KE8075 ICN2240 – 1645YVR 789 146

KE8076 YVR0100 – 0420+1ICN 789 25
KE072 YVR1440 – 1750+1ICN 789 D
KE8076 YVR1930 – 2250+1ICN 789 6

Reservation for KE8075/8076 opened since 0500GMT 13MAR24. KE8075/8076 on Day 6 is effective 06JUL24.

https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/240313-kens24yvr

Basically is a increase in S24,for nonstop flights✈️ between South Korea & Canada✅.

Korean Air : ICN-YVR-ICN 7-9/10x weekly operated on Boeing 787-9 .
Air Canada : ICN- YVR -ICN- frequency remains the same 7x weekly & operated on Boeing 777 .
Korean Air & Air Canada : ICN- Toronto YYZ - ICN, both 7x weekly operated on Boeing 787-9 .
Air Canada : Montreal YUL -ICN- YUL ,4x weekly operated on Boeing 787-9 - *new service starts mid June*
WestJet : Calgary YYC - ICN- YYC ,3x weekly operated on Boeing 787-9 - *new service starts mid May*

But I think the subsidies from Québec City Tourism agency are still there and last year it was announced in mid May for flight starting in late September

[Dominion301]

Originally Posted by samuelx88

But I think the subsidies from Québec City Tourism agency are still there and last year it was announced in mid May for flight starting in late September

It's likely the YQB fall colours charters are arranged for by a Korean tour operator. Is it possible to purchase a YQB-ICN ticket on those flights or does the 777 just sit at YQB for a couple of days?

[Dominion301]

TS are reporting a Q1 loss of $61M: https://www.newswire.ca/news-release...804757975.html

However, they were able to pay down $23M in debt vs the same quarter last year.

[Dominion301]

I just noticed that PAL have discontinued their own branded services to YOW: https://www.palairlines.ca/en/fly-ri...ket-notices-2/. Until a couple of weeks ago they flew YOW-YQM-YDF-YYT 3-4x weekly. Guess the writing was on the wall with PD's ever growing presence at YOW and going double daily on YOW-YQM and adding YOW-YYT...even though these hadn't yet been added when PAL quietly gave 120 days notice of ending service.

[thenoflyzone]

Originally Posted by Dominion301

TS are reporting a Q1 loss of $61M: https://www.newswire.ca/news-release...804757975.html

However, they were able to pay down $23M in debt vs the same quarter last year.

Not too bad, considering:

1. Their Q1 is Nov, Dec and Jan, and the first half of that is dead season.
2. They paid off some debt.
3. They had additional costs during the quarter, related to leasing additional aircraft due to the P&W GTF issues on the A321neos.

Revenues were up significantly compared to last year, and forward bookings look strong. All very good signs. The rest is just mostly just creative accounting. Their strategy is very sound and the PD tie-up was a smart move as well.

[Dominion301]

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

Not too bad, considering:

1. Their Q1 is Nov, Dec and Jan, and the first half of that is dead season.
2. They paid off some debt.
3. They had additional costs during the quarter, related to leasing additional aircraft due to the P&W GTF issues on the A321neos.

Revenues were up significantly compared to last year, and forward bookings look strong. All very good signs. The rest is just mostly just creative accounting. Their strategy is very sound and the PD tie-up was a smart move as well.

Add on top of that the threat of the F/As going on strike surely made a few people choose other carriers.

[hollywoodcory]

YYC February 2024 Stats:

Domestic: 863,324 +9.5% [YTD: 1,718,360 +7.3%]
Transborder: 275,331 +21.7% [YTD: 541,224 +21.7%]
International: 194,832 +10.8% [YTD: 394,702 +7.8%]

February Total: 1,333,487 +12.0%
2024 YTD: 2,654,286 +9.84%

Given YYC has already broken its 2019 record, I don't see a point in comparing those numbers anymore.

[People_talking]

9% growth isn't too shabby, I wonder how the lack of lynx flights will affect us going forward. I imagine the further we get into the year the close our 24' numbers will be too 23'.

[whatnext]

Another day another story of Flair treating passengers abominably. It will continue to amaze me why people roll the dice on them.

More Flair passengers stuck in Cancun 24 hours after scheduled flight
Megan Devlin
Mar 18 2024

A flight of Flair passengers is stuck in a Mexican airport nearly 24 hours after the scheduled takeoff time, and say the airline isn’t giving them answers, providing food, or booking them on competitor’s flights.

Margaret McPherson was supposed to fly from Cancun to Calgary on Sunday, March 17 at 6:05 pm on Flair flight F89966. But the flight got delayed in 10-minute increments until 11 pm, she told Daily Hive.

The airport was closing for the night when passengers picked up their luggage and got shuttled to an airport hotel. Buses fetched them Saturday morning to go back to the airport. But they still don’t know when they’ll be leaving....

McPherson says they’re waiting at a basement gate in the Cancun airport, unable to see if a plane is outside, as security personnel keep watch.

“We haven’t received anything official except those very early emails from Flair,” she told Daily Hive. “No food, no idea of what we’re going to be doing… and when I asked to be accommodated under air passenger rights on a competitive flight, they said that cannot be done.”...

...Passengers whose flights cancelled months out still owed rebooking: CTA
The latest information McPherson got from Flair was the flight would be delayed until Saturday afternoon, but the departure time near 3 pm has come and gone....

...Some passengers are crying, others have animals at home, and many including McPherson are missing work. They want Flair to follow its obligations under Canada’s Air Passenger Protection Regulations....

....Air passenger rights advocate Gábor Lukács says the incident concerns him, especially as questions emerge about the status of Flair’s finances.

“For now, I would say we don’t know that this company is bankrupt. So assume that they are not. Buy a ticket to get home that mitigates your damage, and then sue Flair for damages and hope that they may not go bankrupt after all.”...

https://dailyhive.com/canada/flair-f...cancun-airport

[hehehe]

Originally Posted by People_talking

9% growth isn't too shabby, I wonder how the lack of lynx flights will affect us going forward. I imagine the further we get into the year the close our 24' numbers will be too 23'.

Considering how low Lynx's loads were, the other airlines will easily pick up the slack. I doubt it'll affect YYC's numbers at all.

[Dominion301]

Originally Posted by whatnext

Another day another story of Flair treating passengers abominably. It will continue to amaze me why people roll the dice on them.

More Flair passengers stuck in Cancun 24 hours after scheduled flight
Megan Devlin
Mar 18 2024

A flight of Flair passengers is stuck in a Mexican airport nearly 24 hours after the scheduled takeoff time, and say the airline isn’t giving them answers, providing food, or booking them on competitor’s flights.

Margaret McPherson was supposed to fly from Cancun to Calgary on Sunday, March 17 at 6:05 pm on Flair flight F89966. But the flight got delayed in 10-minute increments until 11 pm, she told Daily Hive.

The airport was closing for the night when passengers picked up their luggage and got shuttled to an airport hotel. Buses fetched them Saturday morning to go back to the airport. But they still don’t know when they’ll be leaving....

McPherson says they’re waiting at a basement gate in the Cancun airport, unable to see if a plane is outside, as security personnel keep watch.

“We haven’t received anything official except those very early emails from Flair,” she told Daily Hive. “No food, no idea of what we’re going to be doing… and when I asked to be accommodated under air passenger rights on a competitive flight, they said that cannot be done.”...

...Passengers whose flights cancelled months out still owed rebooking: CTA
The latest information McPherson got from Flair was the flight would be delayed until Saturday afternoon, but the departure time near 3 pm has come and gone....

...Some passengers are crying, others have animals at home, and many including McPherson are missing work. They want Flair to follow its obligations under Canada’s Air Passenger Protection Regulations....

....Air passenger rights advocate Gábor Lukács says the incident concerns him, especially as questions emerge about the status of Flair’s finances.

“For now, I would say we don’t know that this company is bankrupt. So assume that they are not. Buy a ticket to get home that mitigates your damage, and then sue Flair for damages and hope that they may not go bankrupt after all.”...

https://dailyhive.com/canada/flair-f...cancun-airport

Thursday’s YOW-CUN meltdown last from Thursday until the pax finally got home on Sunday late morning or sometime that day. It was so bad that Friday’s YOW-LAS getting cancelled after a 13 hour delay and yesterday’s 12 hour delay on YOW-LAS didn’t even register as newsworthy.

[Dominion301]

YOW's February pax stats

Sector / Feb-23 / Feb-24 / % Change
Dom: 201,170 / 208,972 / +0.5%
TB: 48,965 / 77,347 / +62.6%
Int'l: 52,325 / 68,242 / +31.6%
TTL: 302,460 / 354,561 / +15.4%

Sector / YTD 2023 / YTD 2024 / % Change
Dom: 405,312 / 407,138 / +0.5%
TB: 91,495 / 148,809 / +62.6%
Int'l: 106,380 / 140,032 / +31.6%
TTL: 603,187 / 695,979 / +15.4% - currently on pace for 4.87 million based on YTD growth rate or 4.25M for the YTD daily pax count, which is always lower at the start of the year

February % of traffic recovered vs 2019
Sector / Traffic % recovered February 2024 vs February 2019 / Traffic % recovered YTD 2024 vs YTD 2019
Dom: 75.4% / 74.0% - a complete laggard = a huge chunk of Toronto day tripper traffic has disappeared - 46/day in 2019 vs 27/day in 2024
TB: 113.4% / 110.4%
Int'l: 114.5% / 113.4%
TTL: 87.6% / 86.1%

12 Months Rolling / % Change vs Year End 2022
Dom: 3,204,725 / +18.3%
TB: 633,447 / +232.8%
Int'l: 350,534 / +248.3%
TTL: 4,188,706 / +39.6%

[Dominion301]

EDIT: Duplicate post.

[YOWflier]

Originally Posted by YOWflier

Heard a rumour that some entity in Canada is sniffing around the A350. Speculate away.

You can now add A330neo to the list in addition to A350. Oh, and I’m upgrading from “sniffing” to whatever is higher on the meter.

Speculate.

[Djeffery]

Originally Posted by YOWflier

You can now add A330neo to the list in addition to A350. Oh, and I’m upgrading from “sniffing” to whatever is higher on the meter.

Speculate.

Porter's getting into the Asia game. (I mean, someone has to say them first lol).

[YOWflier]

Oh, and I should add it’s entities now, not entity.

[whatnext]

To absolutely nobody's surprise:

Flair Airlines cuts over 600 flights as it faces multimillion-dollar financial woes
ERIC ATKINS TRANSPORTATION REPORTER
PUBLISHED 7 HOURS AGO
FOR SUBSCRIBERS

Flair Airlines has reduced its spring schedule by more than 600 flights, making cost-saving cuts to its domestic network even as it adds holiday routes after the failure of low-cost rival Lynx Air.

Flair eliminated a number of flights departing its major hubs, including Toronto, Ottawa, Calgary and Edmonton, for March, April and May, according to Cirium, an aviation data company. The Edmonton-based no-frills carrier has also added flights to Florida, Mexico, Las Vegas and other resort destinations.

Flair’s discount rival, Lynx Air, ceased flying on Feb. 26 and is under court-granted protection from creditors. The nine-plane airline said it could not pay for its daily operations and will wind up the business or be sold in a court-supervised process under the Companies’ Creditors Arrangement Act.

The recent changes in the discount segment precede what is expected to be a busy summer travel period for Canada’s airlines. The industry has enjoyed healthy demand and higher airfares since COVID-19-related restrictions were lifted.

Flair’s schedule changes come as the airline faces a tax repayment bill worth $67-million, a move by a financial services company to hold back $25-million in customer receipts, in addition to a sharp credit-rating downgrade of Flair’s U.S. shareholder’s reinsurance unit, which is a lender to Flair.

Overall, Flair has slashed its schedule for March, April and May by about 8 per cent, the airline confirmed. Rivals Air Canada, WestJet Airlines and Porter Airlines, meanwhile, have all boosted the number of scheduled flights for the same months by about 6 per cent, according to Cirium....

....A major U.S. investor in Flair, meanwhile, is fielding its own challenges. Flair is 25 per cent owned by 777 Partners LLC, a Miami-based private equity company.

New York-based credit-rating agency AM Best has downgraded 777 Partners’ insurance arm, 777 Re Ltd., twice since November, from “excellent” to “weak.” AM Best cited Bermuda-based 777 Re’s ability to meet its financial and insurance obligations, its “weak” balance sheet and exposure to “illiquid” affiliated private investments.

Those related-party investments include several European soccer teams and Flair Airlines.

777 Partners’ stable of soccer teams includes Genoa CFC, Sevilla Futbol Club, Hertha Berlin, Standard Liege and Vasco da Gama. Its proposed purchase of the Everton Football Club in Britain is awaiting approval from the Premier League.....

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/busi...educe-flights/

[Zmonkey]

Originally Posted by whatnext

To absolutely nobody's surprise:

Flair Airlines cuts over 600 flights as it faces multimillion-dollar financial woes
ERIC ATKINS TRANSPORTATION REPORTER
PUBLISHED 7 HOURS AGO
FOR SUBSCRIBERS

Flair Airlines has reduced its spring schedule by more than 600 flights, making cost-saving cuts to its domestic network even as it adds holiday routes after the failure of low-cost rival Lynx Air.

Flair eliminated a number of flights departing its major hubs, including Toronto, Ottawa, Calgary and Edmonton, for March, April and May, according to Cirium, an aviation data company. The Edmonton-based no-frills carrier has also added flights to Florida, Mexico, Las Vegas and other resort destinations.

Flair’s discount rival, Lynx Air, ceased flying on Feb. 26 and is under court-granted protection from creditors. The nine-plane airline said it could not pay for its daily operations and will wind up the business or be sold in a court-supervised process under the Companies’ Creditors Arrangement Act.

The recent changes in the discount segment precede what is expected to be a busy summer travel period for Canada’s airlines. The industry has enjoyed healthy demand and higher airfares since COVID-19-related restrictions were lifted.

Flair’s schedule changes come as the airline faces a tax repayment bill worth $67-million, a move by a financial services company to hold back $25-million in customer receipts, in addition to a sharp credit-rating downgrade of Flair’s U.S. shareholder’s reinsurance unit, which is a lender to Flair.

Overall, Flair has slashed its schedule for March, April and May by about 8 per cent, the airline confirmed. Rivals Air Canada, WestJet Airlines and Porter Airlines, meanwhile, have all boosted the number of scheduled flights for the same months by about 6 per cent, according to Cirium....

....A major U.S. investor in Flair, meanwhile, is fielding its own challenges. Flair is 25 per cent owned by 777 Partners LLC, a Miami-based private equity company.

New York-based credit-rating agency AM Best has downgraded 777 Partners’ insurance arm, 777 Re Ltd., twice since November, from “excellent” to “weak.” AM Best cited Bermuda-based 777 Re’s ability to meet its financial and insurance obligations, its “weak” balance sheet and exposure to “illiquid” affiliated private investments.

Those related-party investments include several European soccer teams and Flair Airlines.

777 Partners’ stable of soccer teams includes Genoa CFC, Sevilla Futbol Club, Hertha Berlin, Standard Liege and Vasco da Gama. Its proposed purchase of the Everton Football Club in Britain is awaiting approval from the Premier League.....

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/busi...educe-flights/

This represents 8% of their flights.
Hopefully they stock around too.