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Old Posted Jan 11, 2025, 3:31 AM
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Wow! What a good news day / week for skyscrapers in Metro-Van.

The North False Creek towers, Surrey moving forward with its office tower district and this!
Yes, for a moment I thought Calgary was beginning to outpace us in significant project starts (relatively speaking) lol
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Old Posted Jan 12, 2025, 9:42 AM
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City of Lougheed - Phase 2 Concept plans

I guess since the other City of Lougheed thread is titled Phase 1 and thus dedicated to the towers in that phase, I thought I'd post these here in the general thread and when the project matures enough to deserve its own thread they can be moved there.

Shape Properties just released images and information regarding the phase 2 towers for their project at Lougheed for the parcel located southern-most and next to the Skytrain station and will occupy both the surface parking lot and the lot with the existing Hudson's Bay store that will be torn down.

It's three towers - 43 and 46 storeys with a shorter 12 storey tower - with the first tower as mixed use rental (both market and below market), and the latter two as market condo towers, with all three buildings having retail/commercial at grade and an outdoor covered shoping space connecting the indoor shopping areas (more on that below).

Its not clear how much of that programmed 'Commercial' space will be office (versus retail), but given it's only one or two storeys of commercial throughout the project it wouldn't surprise me if its all entirely Retail.








It's the two towers to the left-most side of the image below closest to the skytrain station in the earlier released context image for phase 1.




The images released also highlight how they plan to approach and execute their covered outdoor mall concept to creat and outdoor shopping experience but still under some weather protection.
I imagine Ivanhoe Cambridge will be keen to see how that works out in light of their own plans to break up the mall at Metrotown and follow a similar outdoor shopping experience concept versus the current indoor mall plan.

It should be a test case for how successful this kind of shopping model is for a place with our kind of climate despite its success in other parts of the world where they have many more months in the year with fair weather.

I'm still not convinced that this kind of model will have that same level of success here, but it's worth noting that Shape's other megaproject at Amazing Brentwood similarly tried dipping the toe into the whole outdoor shopping spaces and areas, concept with the plaza at that project and I'm unaware of how successful that has turned out - especially in the non-spring and non-summer months.
At least here they're kind of hedging their bets as the existing mall continues to operate as a traditional covered mall but later phases are supposed to see it too demolished to accomodate more towers. But those plans could change.










The earliest relased overall concept masterplan for the entire City of Lougheed proposal. (below)
It's worth noting that the southern-most parcel in this image though included in the master plan because it originally did belong to Shape was sold to Pinnacle who have proposed a 3 tower project including what will be the two tallest towers west of Ontario.
So the parcel for this current phase is the one closest to the skytrain station between the "21" and "27" keymarks.
So I guess the idea here is that the portion shaded in blue will be exterior space but covered as illustrated in the renders above.





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https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/city...mall-phase-two
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Old Posted Jan 12, 2025, 10:21 AM
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More Images - CoL Phase 2

More images of the above project proposal from Storeys.
This time rendered images and not just conceptual massing:-

The phase with the rental tower is Phase 2A while the market towers Phase is 2B.
I'm assuming that's the order they'll be built in, unless they do it all in one shot.


















One interesting note about that proposed open air plaza walkway outdoor shopping space from this article :-

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According to a City planning report, the pedestrian spine will initially be open-air, with the the roof constructed in a later phase of City of Lougheed, "in order to provide a seamless and uniform design for the roof."
Makes sense to initially do it as open-air but the warning flag here is that this is the type of thing that gets Value-engineered right out of the project if costs get out of control and they could just end up with an open-air non-weather protected outdoor plaza ala Amazing Brentwood.

As someone else upthread earlier noted, it seems like 2025 is starting off with a bang with all these previously gestating projects getting a move for the new year.
Should be an interesting year.

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https://storeys.com/shape-properties...eed-phase-two/
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Old Posted Jan 12, 2025, 6:15 PM
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^^ There's a project thread over here:

https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/sho...214493&page=71

I assume the pedestrian spine will have covenants or other legal means attached to ensure it's built.

RE: your earlier post. Park Royal probably should be included in your analysis on how well outdoor plaza type malls work. I mean how important is the commercial component to Amazing Brentwood versus the long term residential development after completion. Unless the residential market implodes I think that's the main driver for these projects and if the residential market implodes I doubt retail will be that great either if it gets that bad.

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Old Posted Jan 13, 2025, 2:16 AM
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The first Lougheed post is duplication of what's already in the City of Lougheed thread, but the second post has a lot of new renderings from Storeys and shows build out of the gap strip between phases 1 and 2 - thanks!
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Old Posted Jan 13, 2025, 4:33 AM
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^^ There's a project thread over here:

https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/sho...214493&page=71

I assume the pedestrian spine will have covenants or other legal means attached to ensure it's built.

RE: your earlier post. Park Royal probably should be included in your analysis on how well outdoor plaza type malls work. I mean how important is the commercial component to Amazing Brentwood versus the long term residential development after completion. Unless the residential market implodes I think that's the main driver for these projects and if the residential market implodes I doubt retail will be that great either if it gets that bad.
I didn't place the information in the existing City of Lougheed Thread because that thread is titled Phase 1 and designated as "Complete"

These are clearly pre-construction and project proposal phase.

If the Mods think they should be consolidated then they're free to do so.

I agree that The Amazing Brentwood is probably a less than ideal comparison given the objectives of that development.
I think the images from the earliest proposal information release show where they want to go with this idea and are in this sense more "aspirational" rather than what's eventually going to be executed.

The more recent images from Storey, I believe, are more indicative what we'll actually get and even in the write-up they do say that the plan is to have it open-air initially as shown (without the roof covering structures) and that (maybe) later on the weather-protection would be added at a later stage.

I strongly believe they'll get value-engineered out of the project altogether.
It's a little bit of a chicken and egg dilemma they've set up for themselves.
After build-out if they do see the plaza getting a lot of use and lots of people traversing it then they might feel compelled to complete it and build the roof protection.

But on the flip side if people don't see any weather-protection, and with our climate, they may not be enticed to use the space as much as Shape hopes for it to be use,d and in that situation it may end up being what drives the decision to cancel building it altogether.

I mean, it's already been value-engineered to some extent even as is, because the very initial proposal was for an "iconic" expansive tensile roof covering and structure, and in these recent proposal images that's nowhere to be seen.
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Old Posted Jan 13, 2025, 4:40 AM
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The first Lougheed post is duplication of what's already in the City of Lougheed thread, but the second post has a lot of new renderings from Storeys and shows build out of the gap strip between phases 1 and 2 - thanks!
The City of Lougheed thread didn't have the the respective tower program and residency-type breakdowns that the second and third images I posted show, but yes the outdoor plaza renderings are the same.

The overall rendering image from Phase 1 I only included for context and to show where this phase's towers were located relative to the phase 1 towers.
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Old Posted Jan 13, 2025, 5:30 AM
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FWIW the 2016 Lougheed Town Centre Core Area Master Plan pedestrian spine said this:

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The Pedestrian Spine is a pedestrian-only, weather protected north-south connector that links Cameron Street to the Transit Plaza via the heart of the Core Area. The Pedestrian Spine offers a variety of experiences along its 320 m length. It begins at Cameron Street as a semiopen retail “galleria” space. It opens up as it intersects with Cross Creek to provide connections to the Central Open Space and to the Grand Promenade. Further south, the Pedestrian Spine adopts a more enclosed form before crossing Austin Road via an elevated architectural footbridge, enabling a direct connection to the Transit Plaza. The Pedestrian Spine functions as the main weather-protected shopping destination in the Core Area, with a wide range of retail shops, cafés and restaurants, and other commercial uses. Residential uses are also envisioned. Building forms include different types of weather protected structures with varying degrees of openness, commercial street
wall podium buildings with typical heights of 18.3 m (60 ft.), and setback high rise residential towers above. The intended architectural character of the Pedestrian Spine is that of an outside city street or pedestrian galleria;
building design and architectural expression, including choice of materials, must reflect this.
The included photos are from Allen Lambert Galleria Toronto, Central VPL Library, Calena Vittoro Emanuele Il, Milan.

https://burnaby.widen.net/s/tj9rwl89...er-plan-part-2

And this image



https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/city...mall-phase-two
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Old Posted Jan 13, 2025, 10:46 PM
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2024, Jan 13

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Old Posted Jan 13, 2025, 11:14 PM
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The included photos are from Allen Lambert Galleria Toronto, Central VPL Library, Calena Vittoro Emanuele Il, Milan.
one of the most famous buildings in Italy and something proposed on the burnaby/coquitlam border.

If we can get 320 meters of anything like that, I'll be impressed
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Old Posted Jan 14, 2025, 3:15 AM
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Boffo Proposing 45-Storey Tower For Phase Two Of Bassano In Burnaby

Burnaby City Council granted third reading — conditional approval — to Phase One in April 2024 and Boffo is now working towards meeting the conditions for final approval.

Concurrently, Council will be considering a first and second reading for Phase Two on Tuesday, January 28.

Following these two phases / towers, the third and final phase will consist of two towers that make up the northern half of the site. A rezoning application has yet to be submitted, but those two towers are expected to be shorter than the first two towers, and will also include about 144 inclusionary rental units.
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Old Posted Jan 14, 2025, 3:34 PM
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Remind me why there's no bus on Boundary? Intercity dispute?
I think it's because traffic is really bad on Boundary around Boundary and Kingsway and Boundary and Grandview, so a bus would always be stuck in traffic.
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I think it's because traffic is really bad on Boundary around Boundary and Kingsway and Boundary and Grandview, so a bus would always be stuck in traffic.
How about adding two lanes to Boundary to make it 3+3 lanes. The space is there and Boundary has always been planned to be a wide arterial road.
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Err... are we all forgetting about the 28?
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Old Posted Jan 16, 2025, 2:40 PM
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How about adding two lanes to Boundary to make it 3+3 lanes. The space is there and Boundary has always been planned to be a wide arterial road.
If they were bus lanes I'm sure it would make a big difference. If it's more car lanes traffic is just gonna go back to square one.
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Inside Metrotown's Tallest Proposed Tower: The 72-Storey McCarthy Plaza

Dialog is the architect.





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For the site, McCarthy Properties is proposing a 72-storey tower at the corner of Nelson Avenue and Kingsway that would reach a height of 258.4 m / 847.8 ft and provide a total of 469 residential units, split between 169 strata units at the top of the tower, 170 market rental units below, and 130 non-market rental units below that, all of which would sit atop a 12-storey commercial podium.

The total 469 units would be comprised of 38 studio units, 196 one-bedroom units, 173 two-bedroom units, and 62 three-bedroom units, and the residential component would have a unique diamond-shaped floorplate. A total of 938 vehicle parking stalls and 1,264 bicycle parking stalls are then expected to be provided in a seven-level underground parkade.
https://storeys.com/mccarthy-plaza-k...otown-burnaby/
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Old Posted Jan 17, 2025, 4:57 PM
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Wow, local family/developer, longstanding roots in Burnaby as landowners, first tower and it's an art-deco style 72-storey!
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Old Posted Jan 17, 2025, 5:39 PM
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I like the building's profile. It's a handsome-looking tower.
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Old Posted Jan 17, 2025, 5:48 PM
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Just imagine the skyline from these angles:

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Old Posted Jan 17, 2025, 7:27 PM
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Lots to love about this proposal. I really like the setbacks and the copper coloured facade. The prospect of a public observation deck 250m above Metrotown, with views of the entire metro, is truly exciting. I would also love to see a rooftop bar or lounge included.

I love the idea of an Idigenous art gallery. To become a legitimate downtown, Metrotown needs cultural amenities like galleries and museums. It can't all just be condos and retail. It's also commendable that the developer is exceeding the requirement for low income housing units. Amazing how the lack of artificial limitations imposed for arbitrary reasons can make projects like this viable.
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