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Old Posted Jun 22, 2020, 4:55 PM
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WE NEED your help to make Tesla Happen! Please email edsi2@traviscountytx.gov with your support for the Tesla factory coming to 130 between FM 969 and 71. The Tesla plant's approximately 5,000 working class jobs that help further diversify the Austin economy and help protect against a recession due to slumps in certain industries. Also, the people who work there are going to need places to eat! It'll help attract much needed restaurants and bars to the area. Tesla is considering building the factory on 2,100 acres along the Texas 130 toll road and Harold Green Road, northeast of Austin-Bergstrom International Airport. The property currently is a sand and gravel mining site. You can checkout a drone video of the area here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wBq9dqB3AU
The workforce would consist of about 65% unskilled labor — and the company is considering workforce relationships with Austin Community College, Workforce Solutions Capital Area and Travis County Justice Planning for workers living in the county or exiting the criminal justice system. "Tesla opening a factory in Southeast Austin will be transformative for Central Texas by adding another layer of diversification and resilience to our economy," Ed Latson, executive director of the Austin Regional Manufacturers Association, said in a statement. "It will create high-paying jobs that provide opportunity to all educational backgrounds, from PhDs to GEDs. And it should be a magnet for an entire ecosystem of businesses and suppliers that support automotive plants and their employees."
The factory would manufacture Tesla’s upcoming Cybertruck electric pickup and also serve as a second site for building its Model Y SUV. The Tesla factory also would create more than 4,000 indirect jobs through related industries, according to an analysis by economist Jon Hockenyos with TXP Inc., which was hired by the county to conduct a study. Hockenyos’ study says that additional jobs and economic activity would result from the ripple effects of Tesla.
The study says Tesla’s factory would generate more than $600 million in annual sales activity, and more than $425 million in new annual wages above and beyond Tesla. In addition, there would be the possibility of relocation, expansions and new firms arising from Tesla seeding an advanced transportation and energy cluster, the study says.\



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Old Posted Jun 23, 2020, 12:14 AM
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^^^ 2nd that.
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Old Posted Jun 23, 2020, 12:23 AM
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Old Posted Jun 23, 2020, 8:24 PM
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Wow. I made the same post on the Austin city-data forum and got banned. WTF? I guess any post that isn't about renaming 130 to I35 isn't welcome.
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Old Posted Jun 23, 2020, 9:21 PM
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Wow. I made the same post on the Austin city-data forum and got banned. WTF? I guess any post that isn't about renaming 130 to I35 isn't welcome.
I'm not sure if I agree with re-naming State Highway 130 and State Highway 45 into interstate 35 but I do agree that both of those toll ways need to have interstate highway numbers on them. Maybe incorporate them into I-14 south, I-135, I-169 etc... A few years ago there was a plan bantered around about changing I-37 (from Corpus to San Antonio) into I-135 and changing 1-27 (from Amarillo to Lubbock) into I-140 in an effort to free up additional numbers for actual Interstate Highways. Those two weren't the only ones identified but they were mentioned. Another idea that was bantered about was creating a federally funded "Intra-State Highway" system that would go along with the 'Inter-state' system giving everyone a new fresh set of numbers.
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Old Posted Jun 23, 2020, 9:59 PM
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Wow. I made the same post on the Austin city-data forum and got banned. WTF? I guess any post that isn't about renaming 130 to I35 isn't welcome.

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Old Posted Jun 23, 2020, 10:13 PM
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Ok something has to be said about Matt Mackoviak's Statesman opinion piece asking people to reject incentives for Tesla. I once thought of him as a potential city council candidate because of his efforts in opposing the city's repeal of the "no sit, lie or camping" ordinance.

But Mackoviak's line of reasoning for not giving Tesla the incentives they need has left me wondering how I could have once thought of him so highly. The opinion piece is full of inaccuracies and disingenuous claims. I'm equally baffled that the Statesman would give him a platform by publishing something so third rate.

He starts by outlining the tax rebates Del Valle ISD and Travis County will give Tesla. He says, "This is bad news and it should concern every taxpayer." Many like him fail to understand that these are tax rebates. We are not writing to check to Tesla for $80M -- we are merely rebating tax money that we would not receive otherwise if they were to go somewhere else. If they go somewhere else, we get nothing from the company in taxes. If they stay, we get a little something from the company in taxes, but more impactful, we also get taxes from the money that Tesla injects into the economy through employees' salaries and the ancillary businesses that sprout up because of Tesla's presence. The net effect they will have on the economy will more than make up for the small investment that's asked of the local jurisdictions over the 10 year period. The idea that we are writing a check to Tesla is the same false argument that the NY politicians made against giving Amazon rebate incentives. People thought their tax dollars were going directly to pay for Amazon's incentives. We know how that turned out in the end. Mackoviak was once (or still is) the Travis County Republican Party Chair. I would think that someone in that position would have the intelligence to understand this very simple concept of tax rebates. This only leads me to the assumption that it's not that he lacks intelligence but rather lacks integrity and is being disingenuous... for what ulterior motive, I will not try to assume.

He later goes on to say, "Rather than throwing money at a billionaire who doesn't need it, we should be using it to support our communities that are in desperate need of help." Again, Tesla goes away we get nothing. That land will most likely remain under-developed for the next 10-20 years. That is the most important idea that people need to understand. And again, I would think that he's intelligent enough to understand the difference between the CEO's personal finances and a public company's finances, and that they're not commingled. I believe it's a lousy attempt to gin up the emotions of the uninformed/uneducated using false logic. It's actually pretty sleazy. And if anybody is familiar with the auto industry, they know that it operates on razor thin margins. These incentives are necessary for Tesla to continue be viable. They are not doing it out of pure greed. And in the end, Tesla will be a huge economic driver that will help support our communities, more so than anything that's been envisioned for that property.

I can go on and on pointing out other inaccuracies in his opinion piece, i.e. that's not a Gigafactory in Buffalo, NY and the people of Buffalo are not unhappy about the investment, but instead I'll post a link to the article here and let you judge for yourself. I'm also posting a link to another opinion piece that argues the pro side of granting incentives to compare and contrast.

Matt Mackoviak's opinion piece (anti incentives):

https://www.statesman.com/opinion/20...rate-subsidies

Gary Farmer's opinion piece (pro incentives):

https://www.statesman.com/opinion/20...tinrsquos-door
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Old Posted Jun 24, 2020, 5:26 PM
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That's completely befuddling. Mackowiak's the head of the Travis County GOP -- and he's out here arguing AGAINST corporate incentives? Does not compute.
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Old Posted Jun 24, 2020, 10:23 PM
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That's completely befuddling. Mackowiak's the head of the Travis County GOP -- and he's out here arguing AGAINST corporate incentives? Does not compute.
Yea I was a little surprised too to see a Republican so anti business. I had to do a double take on the author's name. But I believe he is a consultant for hire. So he may just be a paid conduit for some third party with an agenda. I just can't see how anyone could take the viewpoint that this isn't a huge net net win for the economy Austin.

A UT professor spoke out against the incentives at the commissioners meeting arguing that the incentives should be given to small businesses instead. I think it's a good idea to give small businesses incentives, as well. It does not have to be a mutually exclusive arrangement. Businesses of all sizes should be given tiered incentives based of how many employees they employ, thus how much they contribute to the economy. They must be in business for at least 5 yrs and the incentive is based on their yearly average headcount over a trailing 5 yr period.

I think anybody or any entity that contributes to the betterment of society should be encouraged and rewarded. It's not a hand out. Having said that, Tesla is far from a hand out, it's a business deal where both sides will benefit equally. Hand outs are what you give to bums that no longer have a desire to participate in society.

Whew. Ok I'm done ranting for the week.
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Old Posted Jun 24, 2020, 10:49 PM
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Yea I was a little surprised too to see a Republican so anti business. I had to do a double take on the author's name. But I believe he is a consultant for hire. So he may just be a paid conduit for some third party with an agenda. I just can't see how anyone could take the viewpoint that this isn't a huge net net win for the economy Austin.

A UT professor spoke out against the incentives at the commissioners meeting arguing that the incentives should be given to small businesses instead. I think it's a good idea to give small businesses incentives, as well. It does not have to be a mutually exclusive arrangement. Businesses of all sizes should be given tiered incentives based of how many employees they employ, thus how much they contribute to the economy. They must be in business for at least 5 yrs and the incentive is based on their yearly average headcount over a trailing 5 yr period.

I think anybody or any entity that contributes to the betterment of society should be encouraged and rewarded. It's not a hand out. Having said that, Tesla is far from a hand out, it's a business deal where both sides will benefit equally. Hand outs are what you give to bums that no longer have a desire to participate in society.

Whew. Ok I'm done ranting for the week.
Especially when the current property taxes are basically zilch. This is possibly a HUGE win in for Austin. It is exactly the type of jobs needed, and it will spur countless mom and pop businesses.

We absolutely should hold their feet to the fire to ensure we get what's promised, understanding though, that we ARE in the middle of an insane time. Asking Buffalo for a pause doesn't seem too nutz to me, it's better than closing up shop. Now is the time for understanding, calm, cool... you know, work the problem.
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Old Posted Jun 25, 2020, 12:50 AM
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Old Posted Jun 25, 2020, 12:55 AM
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He's not wrong though.

Why shouldn't companies pay their fair share of property taxes?

Why does the tax burden *always* get thrown on the backs of the employees and citizens to shoulder alone?
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Old Posted Jun 25, 2020, 4:16 AM
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He's not wrong though.

Why shouldn't companies pay their fair share of property taxes?

Why does the tax burden *always* get thrown on the backs of the employees and citizens to shoulder alone?
The Travis county rebate is for 80% of the property taxes, which is about $14M. Which means they are still paying 20%, about $4M if my math is correct. After 10 years, it reverts back to 100%. If they decide to go to Tulsa, we get *nothing*. No $4M over 10 years, no 100% thereafter. Ziltch.

A consultant for Travis county ran the numbers and I think he concluded that if the property remains in it's present state, it would net the county $2M over 20 years.

So would you rather have $4M over 10 years in addition to the 5k salaries that add to the economy, ancillary businesses that will also hire and contribute to the tax rolls, and Tesla pays 100% taxes after 10 years; or would you rather have Tesla choose another city and we get $2M over 20 yrs? It's really simple math.

It's a business deal. They have something we need -- a means for many in the eastern cresent to put food on the table and pay mortgage. For a decade now, there have been cries of inequity from the east side of town. They've seen Austin grow and prosper while they still struggle. This is an opportunity for the east side to grow with the city without being pushed out. Non tech job opportunities like this don't come but once every few decades. It doesn't get any better than this. If the people of east Austin willingly lets this opportunity slip away, I hope to never hear any more cries of inequity again.

You asked, why can't they pay their fair share of property taxes? They have something we need and they have options, we don't. If you know of another manufacturing company that will hire 5k employees and wants to come to southeast Austin and is willing to pay full taxes, please bring them to the table asap.

What they've asked for so far is a pittance. $60M compared to Nevada's $1 billion. This is the epitome of looking a gifted horse in the mouth.
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Old Posted Jun 25, 2020, 4:29 AM
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Yea I was a little surprised too to see a Republican so anti business. I had to do a double take on the author's name. But I believe he is a consultant for hire. So he may just be a paid conduit for some third party with an agenda. I just can't see how anyone could take the viewpoint that this isn't a huge net net win
I can think of a few groups that might hire a consultant to sour this deal. Car dealership owners. Oil companies. Tulsa.
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Old Posted Jun 25, 2020, 7:34 PM
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https://www.bizjournals.com/austin/n...-to-texas.html

Can anyone get behind the paywall on this one?
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Old Posted Jun 25, 2020, 7:41 PM
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John Boyd (site selection specialist out of NJ) thinks that it puts Austin in place to potentially land the Tesla HQ. He seems to be the sole source and it's his opinion.

He also mentions how it will benefit the region as a whole with lots of knock-on jobs.

It reads like a PR piece* to make central Texas businesses excited about Tesla coming and keeps mentioning how "cost concious" Tesla is.

*Note: I want Tesla to come here and think this is pretty standard strategic practice when you are trying to boost local interest in a big economic incentive package.
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st john site

i may have missed this on the board, but is there a thread on the old home depot site on st john's?

KXAN is running a story on the development scenarios. Here is a link the KXAN story.

https://www.kxan.com/news/local/aust...dable-housing/

Here is a link the UT study on the site.

https://issuu.com/utsoa/docs/revital...hn_issuu_utsoa

Thoughts? I like the street grid inclusion.
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I can't be sure but I wouldn't be surprised if the head of the Travis County GOP has some connections to the auto dealer lobby in Texas. They are one of the powerful and entrenched special interests groups in the state and have been against Tesla's in-state operations for obvious reasons for a while now.
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Old Posted Jun 29, 2020, 10:23 PM
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I can't be sure but I wouldn't be surprised if the head of the Travis County GOP has some connections to the auto dealer lobby in Texas. They are one of the powerful and entrenched special interests groups in the state and have been against Tesla's in-state operations for obvious reasons for a while now.
Plus the oil lobby is STRONG in Tejas.

One of my favorite weird things about Tesla is all the small-government Republicans who really really care about auto-dealer regulations being protected.

I'm reasonably sure 90% of the country isn't even aware why auto-dealers exist other than "thats the way it is"
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Not a great sign the county didn't approve the Tesla deal on Tuesday.
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