NEW YORK | 200 Greenwich - 2 WTC | 1,270 FT | 80 FLOORS | ON HOLD

[JMKeynes]

I just hope that no one signs onto this like they didn’t for the other two proposals and that this, like those, dies. We need fresh blood that doesn’t include Larry or Foster.

[O-tacular]

Seeing this now I’ve had flashbacks to when I first joined this site watching this development closely. It’s been 2 decades and still nothing has risen. This new version has some positives and some negatives and a lot will depend on materials. Ultimately though I’m not sure anything will live up to the expectations that have been built up around this site.

[CHAPINM1]

God what a mess. I'm really hoping this is just practice and not the final product. The obstruction of Tower 1, especially from this, from the Brooklyn Bridge is just sinful...

[MAC123]

Originally Posted by CHAPINM1

God what a mess. I'm really hoping this is just practice and not the final product. The obstruction of Tower 1, especially from this, from the Brooklyn Bridge is just sinful...

Pretty sure that view is gonna be blocked by Tower 2, no matter the design.

[BuildThemTaller]

Originally Posted by rgarri4

In my 3d model:

The design is growing on me. The top of it leaves a lot to be desired. The rest, though, is quite nice. It adds a lot of texture to the WTC complex. The setbacks are quite nice in relation to the other buildings. It's not bad at all, like a solid B+.

[MercurySky]

There is no way to know how current or accurate this design is but as far as what it is I will say that it is a nice look and fits in but needs a little more heft at the pinnacle. I like the traditional look.

[dropdeaded209]

too bad they can't cover up that mess of a "spire"!

[JMKeynes]

The ridiculous thing about this tower is that it doesn’t even have that many outdoor spaces. LAME!!!!

[BuildThemTaller]

Originally Posted by JMKeynes

The ridiculous thing about this tower is that it doesn’t even have that many outdoor spaces. LAME!!!!

from what I can tell, this design has a lot more outdoor spaces than the Foster design with the diamonds.

[JMKeynes]

Originally Posted by BuildThemTaller

from what I can tell, this design has a lot more outdoor spaces than the Foster design with the diamonds.

[MercurySky]

Originally Posted by JMKeynes

The ridiculous thing about this tower is that it doesn’t even have that many outdoor spaces. LAME!!!!

Why does it need outdoor spaces? It looks fine other than the thin wedge on top.

[JMKeynes]

Originally Posted by MercurySky

Why does it need outdoor spaces? It looks fine other than the thin wedge on top.

Outdoor spaces drove the redesign. Silverstein said that the original design was””is outdated.

[MercurySky]

Originally Posted by JMKeynes

Outdoor spaces drove the redesign. Silverstein said that the original design was””is outdated.

I apologize for not knowing that but it does have setbacks and terraces. What type of outdoor space do they want without making the building look gaudy?

[JMKeynes]

Originally Posted by MercurySky

I apologize for not knowing that but it does have setbacks and terraces. What type of outdoor space do they want without making the building look gaudy?

Who knows? I just hope that this latest iteration fails like the prior ones did.

[Kurtz]

I would cut the spire of 2 wtc to see better the roof of 1 wtc

[MercurySky]

Originally Posted by Kurtz

I would cut the spire of 2 wtc to see better the roof of 1 wtc

I would make it wider. The size and height of the building will block the view from certain angles regardless.

[Busy Bee]

Originally Posted by Kurtz

I would cut the spire of 2 wtc to see better the roof of 1 wtc

Why? Who the hell cares about seeing the value engineered spire and roof of 1WTC, a building thats only slightly less of a let down than this 2WTC concept, if that's even what it is.

Lets face it, 1WTC's mehhh both in height and sculptural beauty set the stage for the mehhh of the rest of the WTC complex. 4WTC is my favorite, but really the rest is and is on its way I'm afraid of being kind of forgettable architecturally. It started with the ill-conceived Libeskind height plan and sort of sailed more or less downhill from there. The painful likely truth is that if developed now probably would have seen 1 and 2 WTC built at 1,700+ feet.

[worldtrade2021]

Originally Posted by chris08876

Credit: bmosborne

It fills the gap but at the same time, not only is it out of place with the rest of the WTC complex, it is out of place with the rest of the buildings in Lower Manhattan. The texture in this render makes the future 2 WTC seem like a beach condominium skyscraper that belongs in some place like Miami but is randomly placed as a last resort to fill the gap in the WTC complex. In other renders like the ones posted by rgarri4, it looks like a taller, tweaked version of 125 Greenwich Street, specifically when viewed from the Brooklyn Bridge.

Even with the rise and popularity of quirky designs, this would be the most random addition to the WTC complex and Lower Manhattan as a whole. I can't imagine why anyone would approve such a design when the site has been vacant for as long as it has and every possible design of 2 WTC has been closely scrutinized and changed at the last minute.

There has been no other news about this reported in more detail anywhere except New York YIMBY so it isn't even certain this is the final design. If it is, I have to wonder whether the developers' goal at this point is to fill the gap in the skyline as soon as possible and in any way. It doesn't seem like that has been a priority for a long time and they were more than happy to let the site lie vacant.

[DCReid]

Originally Posted by worldtrade2021

It fills the gap but at the same time, not only is it out of place with the rest of the WTC complex, it is out of place with the rest of the buildings in Lower Manhattan. The texture in this render makes the future 2 WTC seem like a beach condominium skyscraper that belongs in some place like Miami but is randomly placed as a last resort to fill the gap in the WTC complex. In other renders like the ones posted by rgarri4, it looks like a taller, tweaked version of 125 Greenwich Street, specifically when viewed from the Brooklyn Bridge.

Even with the rise and popularity of quirky designs, this would be the most random addition to the WTC complex and Lower Manhattan as a whole. I can't imagine why anyone would approve such a design when the site has been vacant for as long as it has and every possible design of 2 WTC has been closely scrutinized and changed at the last minute.

There has been no other news about this reported in more detail anywhere except New York YIMBY so it isn't even certain this is the final design. If it is, I have to wonder whether the developers' goal at this point is to fill the gap in the skyline as soon as possible and in any way. It doesn't seem like that has been a priority for a long time and they were more than happy to let the site lie vacant.

If it does move forward, I hope they chose the glass carefully to minimize the quirk. I don't like it in this rendering, but if they skin it like 1 WTC or 4 WTC, it would look a lot better.

[CHAPINM1]

Now that one thinks about it it kinda resembles the Willis Tower in Chicago; especially from the southwest.