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NYguy · #**421** Posted **Mar 15, 2024, 12:38 PM**

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Hudson Yards Phase 2 massing by Philly SkyGuy, on Flickr

Nice. Hopefully we get more looks at the office tower soon.

Looks like it will have a “fluted” appearance, at least on the lower levels.

ChiND · #**422** Posted **Mar 15, 2024, 1:55 PM**

If Related and its partner “Wynn” the license, this project could start rising as soon as the deck is done. Presumably, they’ll be able to finance the casino/hotel and the residential tower fairly easily.

Even if it takes a while to get an office tenant, the office tower seems to occupy a small portion of the site.

Does anyone recall how long it took to build the deck over the east side of the yard?

NYguy · #**423** Posted **Mar 15, 2024, 2:12 PM**

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Originally Posted by ChiND

If Related and its partner “Wynn” the license, this project could start rising as soon as the deck is done. Presumably, they’ll be able to finance the casino/hotel and the residential tower fairly easily.

Even if it takes a while to get an office tenant, the office tower seems to occupy a small portion of the site.

Does anyone recall how long it took to build the deck over the east side of the yard?

The deck and the towers were under construction simultaneously. But only the casino will be supported by the deck.

Some past info on the deck...

https://www.hudsonyardsnewyork.com/s...20Platform.pdf

https://www.hudsonyardsnewyork.com/a...g-hudson-yards

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Constructed on 28- acres over a working rail yard, two “platforms” bridge over 30 active train tracks, three rail tunnels and the new Gateway Tunnel.

300 caissons support the platforms and buildings. The caissons (four to five feet in diameter and 20 to 80 feet in depth) are drilled deep into the bedrock between existing tracks. Finished towers extend from the caisson foundations, through the platforms, and then rise skyward.

This eastern portion of the platform used 25,000 tons of steel, 14,000 cubic yards of concrete and weighs more than 35,000 tons.

Caisson drilling began in March 2014 and the platform was completed the following year. Throughout construction the trains have remained operational, and the new No. 7 subway extension opened at Hudson Yards in 2015.

Waaay back in the old days...

A look at early Coach tower construction...

Early 15 Hudson foundation...

ChiND · #**424** Posted **Mar 15, 2024, 2:29 PM**

Thanks.

If Related and its partner prevail, it will be a huge “Wynn” for the city. This has the potential to be a Monaco-caliber casino that will attract international high-rollers who would not be as inclined to visit a casino in Times Square.

NYguy · #**425** Posted **Mar 15, 2024, 2:39 PM**

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Thanks.

If Related and its partner prevail, it will be a huge “Wynn” for the city. This has the potential to be a Monaco-caliber casino that will attract international high-rollers who would not be as inclined to visit a casino in Times Square.

That's true as well. The Wynn casino is expected to have 250 extended stay units.

Meanwhile, the residential and office buildings will be built on the southern end of the site, not located on the platform.

skeena222 · #**426** Posted **Mar 15, 2024, 3:23 PM**

The last act of the lightning in a bottle that has been Hudson Yards. The trend of building over active rail lines, taking an inactive rail line and repurposing it for use as a park, and taking advantage of untapped air rights remains. That is the lasting legacy of Hudson Yards, the High Line, and the renaissance of the west side more fully.

What will the next big development strategy be in New York? There are mid-century mid-rise developments all over the five boroughs that are now undersized to what the modern day requirements are, lacking in density on the first few to five floors. They are also out of alignment with the street grid and somewhat isolated from the surrounding city. Maybe taking those towers in the park and replacing them with more parks in the tower could work to preserve some green space, while providing additional density and dynamism down at street level.

NYguy · #**427** Posted **Mar 15, 2024, 3:45 PM**

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What will the next big development strategy be in New York? There are mid-century mid-rise developments all over the five boroughs that are now undersized to what the modern day requirements are, lacking in density on the first few to five floors. They are also out of alignment with the street grid and somewhat isolated from the surrounding city. Maybe taking those towers in the park and replacing them with more parks in the tower could work to preserve some green space, while providing additional density and dynamism down at street level.

There are smaller versions of the Hudson Yards in the city that we don't really talk about much because they are nowhere near the scale of this one. Then on the other hand, there is the MASSIVE Sunnyside Yard development that will take decades to build out, and they are nowhere near even beginning movement on that. As far as Manhattan goes, there is still the Con Ed site to be built out. There are rezonings that will consists of multiple developments. The (re)rises of East Midtown is really just beginning. The Penn Station redevelopment district will kick off eventually. The City will constantly evolve and adapt. And it has to if it is to stay healthy.

skeena222 · #**428** Posted **Mar 15, 2024, 4:05 PM**

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There are smaller versions of the Hudson Yards in the city that we don't really talk about much because they are nowhere near the scale of this one. Then on the other hand, there is the MASSIVE Sunnyside Yard development that will take decades to build out, and they are nowhere near even beginning movement on that. As far as Manhattan goes, there is still the Con Ed site to be built out. There are rezonings that will consists of multiple developments. The (re)rises of East Midtown is really just beginning. The Penn Station redevelopment district will kick off eventually. The City will constantly evolve and adapt. And it has to if it is to stay healthy.

Thing is, I don't exactly trust the politicians in charge to make the correct decision(s) on these things, especially the biggest picture choices. Some of them even actively oppose virtually all development on the offset by vice of being overly concerned on the environment and having unrealistic expectations about it. Especially with Sunnyside Yards, I mean Amazon HQ2 would have been the perfect anchor to that whole development, but you had so many other social groups dragging that whole deal down, it just frosts me. There's a reasonable distrust and doubt due to bait and switch by a handful of bad actors, but that's no reason to blitz the whole development and extinguish the flames of economic advantages that it would bring.

Busy Bee · #**429** Posted **Mar 15, 2024, 4:10 PM**

I actually think that Sunnyside is a perfect spot for when we poach the Giants/Jets back from the Meadowlands so that area can be returned to swamp as God intended.

TREPYE · #**430** Posted **Mar 15, 2024, 5:25 PM**

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I think from their point of view, and from mine as well actually, there is a variety. From 35, to 50, to 30, I would say it's a variety. Is there too much blue glass? With the added towers around it, yes. I don't like the massing of 50, but that's another issue.

You and Related can tell yourselves that there is variety in materials..... The rest of us see that all the HY buildings are all glass and hence have no variety.

NYguy · #**431** Posted **Mar 15, 2024, 5:26 PM**

Lol. I think New Jersey will eventually have to allow at least one casino in northern NJ after the NY casinos open. If one does, it should be right in the meadowlands. Put it at American Dream.

NYguy · #**432** Posted **Mar 15, 2024, 5:30 PM**

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You and Related can tell yourselves that there is variety in materials..... The rest of us see that all the HY buildings are all glass and hence have no variety.

I don’t think your blind, though you act as if you can’t see. Also, I don’t know why you find it SHOCKIN that modern office construction, and even residential would use glass.

MAC123 · #**433** Posted **Mar 15, 2024, 5:31 PM**

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You and Related can tell yourselves that there is variety in materials..... The rest of us see that all the HY buildings are all glass and hence have no variety.

The buildings all having glass doesn't mean there's no variety. That's not how it works.

TREPYE · #**434** Posted **Mar 15, 2024, 5:58 PM**

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I don’t think your blind, though you act as if you can’t see. Also, I don’t know why you find it SHOCKIN that modern office construction, and even residential would use glass.

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The buildings all having glass doesn't mean there's no variety. That's not how it works.

All glass HY makes the complex look like a monolith, irrespective of distinct massings. The original point is that I take what Related says with a grain of salt... Not what building materials should be.

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I remember very well this selling point because I was looking forward to see what they came up with, and being very disappointed with what they ended up putting up:

https://www.architecturalrecord.com/...ards-discussed

For Kohn Pedersen Fox, Arquitectonica, Robert A.M. Stern, and West 8, which collaborated on the proposal from the Related Companies and Goldman Sachs, the project is all about variety. “What we’re really talking about is trying to make a neighborhood for people to live and work in,” Stern said. “A New York neighborhood which is diverse in its functions, diverse in its architecture, diverse in its typologies, and one that can grow incrementally and change over time as the project goes forward, even after completion.” Hoping to reflect existing Manhattan city blocks more than a singular, super-sized development, the proposal calls for buildings of varying heights, styles, and materials, from bricks and mortar to glass.

"Variety".... not quite.

They (Related) fronted variety and what ensued was a monolith in material (glass) which dampens their credibility.

Actually, NYGuy, I am more shocked that considering you expertise and after seeing 175 Park Ave, 520 Fifth Avenue, 9 Dekalb, 111 W 57th St you seem to think that modern construction only revolves around slapping glass facades onto every square inch of a tower (as was pretty much done in HY). I know you think, but it doesn't seem like you thought the knee-jerk response through (or what my original point was).

NYguy · #**435** Posted **Mar 15, 2024, 6:10 PM**

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Actually, NYGuy, I am more shocked that considering you expertise and after seeing 175 Park Ave, 520 Fifth Avenue, 9 Dekalb, 111 W 57th St you seem to think that modern construction only revolves around slapping glass facades onto every square inch of a tower (as was pretty much done in HY). I know you think, but it doesn't seem like you thought the knee-jerk response through (or what my original point was).

You're boring me. I'm BORED to death of this conversation. So we'll agree that you can't see what I can see, and remain disgruntled. I don't give a shit either way.

We're already discussing the new renderings that just came out yesterday, and I will devote this time to them.

NYguy · #**436** Posted **Mar 15, 2024, 6:16 PM**

There's a new website that came out, not much new information given beyond what's in the press release. But there is one image from a different angle which gives you a view of the office tower.

Also there are higher resolution images of the complex (LARGE pics below)

from Wynn New York City

That office tower is looking more and more like Gehry...

ChiND · #**437** Posted **Mar 15, 2024, 6:16 PM**

The wavy base of the office tower looks great. I wonder if this tower has setbacks. What we’ve seen of the top doesn’t seem very thick.

Then again, it’s hard to tell.

Busy Bee · #**438** Posted **Mar 15, 2024, 6:29 PM**

Where are all the trash cans outside the casino for people to puke in after losing their life savings letting it ride?

mrnyc · #**439** Posted **Mar 15, 2024, 7:15 PM**

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Where are all the trash cans outside the casino for people to puke in after losing their life savings letting it ride?

come on lucky 7 … dam … SNAKE EYES!

NYguy · #**440** Posted **Mar 15, 2024, 8:24 PM**

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Where are all the trash cans outside the casino for people to puke in after losing their life savings letting it ride?

Lol. Who pukes in a trash can these days. Have you seen the streets?

I hope the state allows a direct connection to the High Line. I know it was said there would be a future connection of the High Line to Hudson River Park somewhere near the Javits.

But a direct connection from this side of the complex from the High Line would be great. Maybe they could also somehow rework the street level connection to the High Line as well.