CF Pacific Centre Developments

[cairnstone]

Originally Posted by Jalapeño Chips

Perhaps the building might be used to temporarily house the homeless?

Lets add a bunch of degenerates into a 4 star hotel. And have them take the building hostage and never leave. And set up a soup kitchen in the food court of the mall

[Jalapeño Chips]

Originally Posted by cairnstone

Lets add a bunch of degenerates into a 4 star hotel. And have them take the building hostage and never leave. And set up a soup kitchen in the food court of the mall

What a fucking retarded statement. They are as human as you are, moron. The place is no longer a 4 star hotel, it is an empty building. By your logic, we should also gather all the dirty Chinese and send them out far and lock them in a dirty camp for bringing us the filthy disease in the first place. Idiot.

[rofina]

Originally Posted by Jalapeño Chips

What a fucking retarded statement. They are as human as you are, moron. The place is no longer a 4 star hotel, it is an empty building. By your logic, we should also gather all the dirty Chinese and send them out far and lock them in a dirty camp for bringing us the filthy disease in the first place. Idiot.

Of course they are human. But that doesn't negate the truth that a lot of these people have been conditioned to take advantage of the rules and law in general.

This is akin to the Tim Hortons on Pender and Abott losing its business license for having too many people in the restaurant. Do you honestly think the clientel that frequently uses that location to rifle through stolen goods cares about social distancing and pandemic measure? Hint: they do not.

Compassion is a two way street. You can only extend so much care before its called being taken advantage of.

[cairnstone]

Originally Posted by Jalapeño Chips

What a fucking retarded statement. They are as human as you are, moron. The place is no longer a 4 star hotel, it is an empty building. By your logic, we should also gather all the dirty Chinese and send them out far and lock them in a dirty camp for bringing us the filthy disease in the first place. Idiot.

That is a retarded statement as virus don't know borders. If the homeless could manage themselves fine. But they cant and we live in a capitalistic country so no landlord unless paid full value would even think about it. Maybe get off your high horse and see what they are like and the condition they leave stuff in.

[Jalapeño Chips]

Originally Posted by cairnstone

That is a retarded statement as virus don't know borders. If the homeless could manage themselves fine. But they cant and we live in a capitalistic country so no landlord unless paid full value would even think about it. Maybe get off your high horse and see what they are like and the condition they leave stuff in.

Again with the moronic blanket statements? What a piece of shit you are. Most of them have severe mental health issues, they don't even know what the fuck is going on. Is that too hard for you to understand? If so, there are special schools for retarded people like you. Get your mommy to look it up, idiot. The ONLY way that issue will ever stop is getting the help they need. Capitalism or not, only an idiot would think otherwise.

[Jalapeño Chips]

Originally Posted by rofina

Of course they are human. But that doesn't negate the truth that a lot of these people have been conditioned to take advantage of the rules and law in general.

This is akin to the Tim Hortons on Pender and Abott losing its business license for having too many people in the restaurant. Do you honestly think the clientel that frequently uses that location to rifle through stolen goods cares about social distancing and pandemic measure? Hint: they do not.

Compassion is a two way street. You can only extend so much care before its called being taken advantage of.

I agree that there are some assholes that take advantage and/or don't give a fuck. They are mostly thieves criminals, some are meth addicted macho bros gone full retard.

But the majority have severe mental issues, are seniors, or are just down out on their luck. They need help, and until they do get it, there won't be any resolution and the DTES will only get worse.

Blanket statements don't work, they just compound the issue. Constructive conversation and solid ideas go a lot further to engage all and everyone at stake.

[cairnstone]

Originally Posted by Jalapeño Chips

I agree that there are some assholes that take advantage and/or don't give a fuck. They are mostly thieves criminals, some are meth addicted macho bros gone full retard.

But the majority have severe mental issues, are seniors, or are just down out on their luck. They need help, and until they do get it, there won't be any resolution and the DTES will only get worse.

Blanket statements don't work, they just compound the issue. Constructive conversation and solid ideas go a lot further to engage all and everyone at stake.

Wow really you have no idea. All levels of government built and managed several building to house and clean up the DTES but because we have an open hand policy here and we don't arrest anyone anymore ever 2 bit person with issues moves here. Currently the COV rents I believe 3 or 4 hotels for homeless on top of all the purpose built projects. And several more in the works. Being homeless is a profession here in Vancouver. And there is a good batch of them that game the system.

[VancouverOfTheFuture]

another problem i have heard from people at BC Housing is even when they do build housing for people, they have a hard time maintaining it because it gets abused so much with people stealing the copper from the wires & pipes in the walls...

until our homeless population decides that they don't want to abuse/take advantage of/destroy the systems trying to help then, then any help we give is more or less wasted.

and no, i do not think private people should be forced to house others. this isn't a communist country, no matter how badly some want it to be.

[cairnstone]

Originally Posted by VancouverOfTheFuture

another problem i have heard from people at BC Housing is even when they do build housing for people, they have a hard time maintaining it because it gets abused so much with people stealing the copper from the wires & pipes in the walls...

until our homeless population decides that they don't want to abuse/take advantage of/destroy the systems trying to help then, then any help we give is more or less wasted.

and no, i do not think private people should be forced to house others. this isn't a communist country, no matter how badly some want it to be.

https://vancouver.ca/people-programs...t-details.aspx

here is a list of projects that the city has built. THere are other groups such as Union Gospel, Salvation army, United church, Metro VAncouver, federal and provincial governments


The problems are that people move to BC faster than the system can manage. And having worked DTES and being in construction for 25 years you get to understand the amount of fraud, usery etc.

I had a day labour once tell me he only can work so many days a week for 8 months of the year as it will interfer with all the subsidies he gets. The other 4 months of the year he works for a US company getting paid in US dollars inspecting hydro poles. So he makes a good income but also lives in a new SOcial housing apartment. Then there are the numerous different labor companies that pay cash so that people can avoid paying taxes and support payments.

The fraud in Vancouver is off the charts in the billions. The federal government does not have a grasp and are just trying to stay ahead and only review red flags.

[Vin]

Originally Posted by Jalapeño Chips

Again with the moronic blanket statements? What a piece of shit you are. Most of them have severe mental health issues, they don't even know what the fuck is going on. Is that too hard for you to understand? If so, there are special schools for retarded people like you. Get your mommy to look it up, idiot. The ONLY way that issue will ever stop is getting the help they need. Capitalism or not, only an idiot would think otherwise.

Who's paying? You? Please if you can we are all for it.

People speak as if money grows on a tree. If you house them all, more will come. It's never ending. We've been providing affordable housing for decades, and they are called SROs downtown. Never seem to solve the problem. Then we add shelters. Never seem to solve the problem either. Next we come up with modular housing. More appear. And now we are going to convert empty hotels to homeless housing too? Geez.

[C3YVR]

My guess is the rotunda is likely closed for good. Fences are up not only outside but also inside, blocking it from the rest of the mall.

[Vin]

Originally Posted by C3YVR

My guess is the rotunda is likely closed for good. Fences are up not only outside but also inside, blocking it from the rest of the mall.

RIP to a downtown icon.

https://www.google.com/maps/@49.2830...7i16384!8i8192

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by Vin

RIP to a downtown icon.

https://www.google.com/maps/@49.2830...7i16384!8i8192

18 months ago you stated that the similar empty dome to be demolished at 601 West Hastings was 'iconic', but you argued that it wasn't an icon. Now this one is an icon?

[dreambrother808]

Originally Posted by Changing City

18 months ago you stated that the similar empty dome to be demolished at 601 West Hastings was 'iconic', but you argued that it wasn't an icon. Now this one is an icon?

It’s a pretty low standard for iconic, but anything that allows for the projection of negative energy is useful I guess.

[officedweller]

Furniture has been removed.

Pic by me Apr 13th:

[NewfBC]

Originally Posted by officedweller

Furniture has been removed.

Pic by me Apr 13th:

I can see it starting to appear in Airbnb ads.. "Luxury 5-star hotel furniture...."



Ron.

[officedweller]

Yeah, even though the furniture was old, it would have been solid, so if they sold in small lots, it may have been a good deal for an AirBnB to pick up a few pieces.

[officedweller]

Originally Posted by C3YVR

My guess is the rotunda is likely closed for good. Fences are up not only outside but also inside, blocking it from the rest of the mall.

Yeah, fences are up right to the sidewalk, enclosing the whole plaza, not just at the doors like other closed businesses.

[Vin]

Originally Posted by Changing City

18 months ago you stated that the similar empty dome to be demolished at 601 West Hastings was 'iconic', but you argued that it wasn't an icon. Now this one is an icon?

Nit-picking I see! Is it all that important to you? It's iconic to me and some others, but to you, it isn't. Why is that such a hard thing to accept?

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by Vin

Nit-picking I see! Is it all that important to you? It's iconic to me and some others, but to you, it isn't. Why is that such a hard thing to accept?

It's neither an icon, or iconic to me. Apparently it mattered to you. "Something iconic and an icon are two different things. Maybe you should look up the dictionary or something?" [source; Vin]