HomeDiagramsDatabaseMapsForum About
     

Go Back   SkyscraperPage Forum > Global Projects & Construction > General Development


Reply

 
Thread Tools Display Modes
     
     
  #30581  
Old Posted Sep 22, 2015, 7:08 PM
Steely Dan's Avatar
Steely Dan Steely Dan is online now
devout Pizzatarian
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Lincoln Square, Chicago
Posts: 30,335
Quote:
Originally Posted by Skyguy_7 View Post
what i like best about this shot are those two tower cranes in the background.

push the skyline west!
__________________
"Missing middle" housing can be a great middle ground for many middle class families.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #30582  
Old Posted Sep 22, 2015, 7:24 PM
Skyguy_7 Skyguy_7 is offline
BANNED
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Chicago
Posts: 2,657
^Thanks for noticing!

For those curious- Cranes pictured are W Couch and W Grand developments
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #30583  
Old Posted Sep 22, 2015, 10:06 PM
Ch.G, Ch.G's Avatar
Ch.G, Ch.G Ch.G, Ch.G is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 3,138
Uh, that's a Harry Weese building, guys. It was a warehouse from the early 1900s he turned residential in 1980. Yeah, it needs some love, but it'd be a real shame to see this one go.


Source (Ausra Paulauskaite)


Source
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #30584  
Old Posted Sep 22, 2015, 10:21 PM
Busy Bee's Avatar
Busy Bee Busy Bee is online now
just a pool of mushy goo
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: on the artistic spectrum
Posts: 11,030
Oh god oh god, a Harry Weese conversion! Let's all bow at the alter of Harry Weese who bestowed this condo conversion pile upon us.
__________________
Everything new is old again

Trumpism is the road to ruin
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #30585  
Old Posted Sep 22, 2015, 11:44 PM
LouisVanDerWright LouisVanDerWright is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 7,457
^^^ Oh come off it, it's only ugly because of the heinous salmon color they painted it. It's a fantastic piece of Chicago history that was re purposed by a great architect. It would be a massive loss to see it torn down just because you think it's not pretty enough to save. So freaking short sighted. Some of the units have downright amazing vaulted brick ceilings. This is a mild example of that, I can't find any pictures of the reallllly big vaults in some units:


vht.com

I'm constantly amazed at the architectural and historic ignorance of people who want X or Y building torn down because they don't fancy it despite the fact they know nothing about it. Also, remember this is a condo conversion of an extremely hard to convert industrial building that was done in 1981. This is an EXTREMELY early example of adaptive reuse and is remarkable in that right as well. I would go as far as to say that Weese did a much better job of reusing a cold storage facility than Sterling Bay did at 1000 Fulton. It's also probably only in bad shape because it has been almost 40 years since it was last really overhauled. Buildings need tuck pointing at least that often, just another example of a lack of "depreciation appreciation" in that everyone who thinks it is ugly is too thick to figure out that every building gets constantly uglier until someone catches up on deferred maintenance and returns it to like-new condition.

Quote:
Originally Posted by ithakas View Post
The bKL project next to the Western blue line we heard about a week or two ago? I ask because Armitage/Milwaukee's SW corner is also a large vacant lot, but your address is technically Western/Milwuakee.
I was mistaken, you must be correct. Good news anyhow that they are already in for zoning.

Last edited by LouisVanDerWright; Sep 23, 2015 at 5:00 AM.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #30586  
Old Posted Sep 23, 2015, 1:01 AM
Skyguy_7 Skyguy_7 is offline
BANNED
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Chicago
Posts: 2,657
^For the record, I'd like to state that my only qualm with this building is the paint color. It's a charming structure, essential to the character of that area's industrial history
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #30587  
Old Posted Sep 23, 2015, 1:34 AM
george's Avatar
george george is offline
dream fast
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: east village, chicago
Posts: 3,291
Certainly wouldn't want to lose it. It puts all surrounding neighbors in perspective. The masonry must be in such an advanced state of disrepair with past patching that it's not worth revealing. Looks like a mess under that faded paint. The vaulted ceilings are a great touch.
__________________
To have ambition was my ambition - Gang of Four
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #30588  
Old Posted Sep 23, 2015, 4:36 AM
ChickeNES's Avatar
ChickeNES ChickeNES is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Posts: 442
Welp, I got schooled, between Ch.G, Ch.G's pictures and LVDW's facts. Now that I know more I've definitely changed my opinion.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #30589  
Old Posted Sep 23, 2015, 4:51 AM
Pcharnkov Pcharnkov is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Posts: 5
Fun fact, about a month ago I was giving a tour on one of the boats at night when all the bricks on the top northeast corner fell off onto the balcony.

Only reason that wasn't news was because miraculously no one was hurt.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #30590  
Old Posted Sep 23, 2015, 1:54 PM
Near North Resident Near North Resident is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2015
Posts: 469
I think that building would look awesome with a white paint job or possibly some sort of multi tone dark with white trim thing but it definitely looks like it has had some issues settling over the past few decades, huge cracks on the west side, hope they get those fixed! I'm sure those special assessments aren't cheap either
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #30591  
Old Posted Sep 23, 2015, 2:30 PM
Stunnies23 Stunnies23 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Chicago, IL
Posts: 95
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pcharnkov View Post
Fun fact, about a month ago I was giving a tour on one of the boats at night when all the bricks on the top northeast corner fell off onto the balcony.

Only reason that wasn't news was because miraculously no one was hurt.
Can confirm. My friend lives in RiverBend, and I was over there when fire trucks and police closed off Canal Street. The next day, their construction crews that are working on the building were tying down everything to prevent more things from falling off the roof.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #30592  
Old Posted Sep 23, 2015, 2:40 PM
gallo's Avatar
gallo gallo is offline
North Beach Style
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Posts: 241
New Marianos

The new Mariano's on Broadway in Lakeview is looking pretty horrible. The scale and massing of this thing is all wrong, mostly because it includes a 245 car parking garage in one of the most walkable parts of the City:

source: me



source: dnainfo.com
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #30593  
Old Posted Sep 23, 2015, 2:41 PM
Ryanrule Ryanrule is offline
BANNED
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Posts: 772
Quote:
Originally Posted by LouisVanDerWright View Post
^^^ Oh come off it, it's only ugly because of the heinous salmon color they painted it. It's a fantastic piece of Chicago history that was re purposed by a great architect. It would be a massive loss to see it torn down just because you think it's not pretty enough to save. So freaking short sighted. Some of the units have downright amazing vaulted brick ceilings. This is a mild example of that, I can't find any pictures of the reallllly big vaults in some units:


vht.com

I'm constantly amazed at the architectural and historic ignorance of people who want X or Y building torn down because they don't fancy it despite the fact they know nothing about it. Also, remember this is a condo conversion of an extremely hard to convert industrial building that was done in 1981. This is an EXTREMELY early example of adaptive reuse and is remarkable in that right as well. I would go as far as to say that Weese did a much better job of reusing a cold storage facility than Sterling Bay did at 1000 Fulton. It's also probably only in bad shape because it has been almost 40 years since it was last really overhauled. Buildings need tuck pointing at least that often, just another example of a lack of "depreciation appreciation" in that everyone who thinks it is ugly is too thick to figure out that every building gets constantly uglier until someone catches up on deferred maintenance and returns it to like-new condition.




I was mistaken, you must be correct. Good news anyhow that they are already in for zoning.
see, i still dont like that.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #30594  
Old Posted Sep 23, 2015, 2:48 PM
UPChicago's Avatar
UPChicago UPChicago is offline
Vote for me for Mayor!
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Chicago
Posts: 801
Yes the Mariano's is hulking to say the least.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #30595  
Old Posted Sep 23, 2015, 5:36 PM
Ch.G, Ch.G's Avatar
Ch.G, Ch.G Ch.G, Ch.G is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 3,138
Quote:
Originally Posted by LouisVanDerWright View Post
I'm constantly amazed at the architectural and historic ignorance of people who want X or Y building torn down because they don't fancy it despite the fact they know nothing about it. Also, remember this is a condo conversion of an extremely hard to convert industrial building that was done in 1981. This is an EXTREMELY early example of adaptive reuse and is remarkable in that right as well. I would go as far as to say that Weese did a much better job of reusing a cold storage facility than Sterling Bay did at 1000 Fulton. It's also probably only in bad shape because it has been almost 40 years since it was last really overhauled. Buildings need tuck pointing at least that often, just another example of a lack of "depreciation appreciation" in that everyone who thinks it is ugly is too thick to figure out that every building gets constantly uglier until someone catches up on deferred maintenance and returns it to like-new condition.
Yes, exactly! It should be in textbooks.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Skyguy_7 View Post
^For the record, I'd like to state that my only qualm with this building is the paint color. It's a charming structure, essential to the character of that area's industrial history
Quote:
Originally Posted by george View Post
Certainly wouldn't want to lose it. It puts all surrounding neighbors in perspective. The masonry must be in such an advanced state of disrepair with past patching that it's not worth revealing. Looks like a mess under that faded paint. The vaulted ceilings are a great touch.
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChickeNES View Post
Welp, I got schooled, between Ch.G, Ch.G's pictures and LVDW's facts. Now that I know more I've definitely changed my opinion.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Near North Resident View Post
I think that building would look awesome with a white paint job or possibly some sort of multi tone dark with white trim thing but it definitely looks like it has had some issues settling over the past few decades, huge cracks on the west side, hope they get those fixed! I'm sure those special assessments aren't cheap either
My confidence in Chicago forumers, though briefly shaken, has been restored. This is all actually really nice to hear.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #30596  
Old Posted Sep 23, 2015, 6:39 PM
wierdaaron's Avatar
wierdaaron wierdaaron is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Chicago
Posts: 2,011
I think I made the mistake of dinging that building a year or so ago and got educated. A new paint job would do wonders, though. They could also do something with the river level now that everything around it will be doing the same.

I think part of the reason many people's initial reaction is negative, aside from the color, is that the arrangement of windows seems scattershot. On one side, it's checkerboarded, on the other side it's a straight grid. Probably a requirement of the structure when adapting it way back when, but on first glance it seems messy and random.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #30597  
Old Posted Sep 23, 2015, 7:26 PM
ardecila's Avatar
ardecila ardecila is offline
TL;DR
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: the city o'wind
Posts: 16,501
North American Cold Storage in 1954
(way before conversion, and before it covered in a giant mural ad)

If I had to speculate, all the many years and layers of paint probably trapped moisture inside the brick and accelerated the damage.


flickr/WayOutWardell
__________________
la forme d'une ville change plus vite, hélas! que le coeur d'un mortel...
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #30598  
Old Posted Sep 23, 2015, 7:27 PM
Tom Servo's Avatar
Tom Servo Tom Servo is offline
BANNED
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Chicago
Posts: 3,647
Quote:
Originally Posted by gallo View Post
The new Mariano's on Broadway in Lakeview is looking pretty horrible. The scale and massing of this thing is all wrong, mostly because it includes a 245 car parking garage in one of the most walkable parts of the City:

source: me



source: dnainfo.com
Such a fucking shame. This could've been a really slick VDT project if I remember... not this hulking turd! I really hate building development in this city.


chicago.curbed.com
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #30599  
Old Posted Sep 23, 2015, 7:32 PM
Jibba's Avatar
Jibba Jibba is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Chicago
Posts: 2,940
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom Servo View Post
Such a fucking shame. This could've been a really slick VDT project if I remember... not this hulking turd! I really hate building development in this city.


chicago.curbed.com
I know. I'm furious over this. The asinine neighborhood organizations down there bemoan density and traffic, and then they welcome this utter garbage. It's absolutely maddening. It's going to completely decimate this section of Broadway. And on a street with a Pedestrian designation (the curb cuts must have been grandfathered in?). Shameful.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #30600  
Old Posted Sep 23, 2015, 7:35 PM
the urban politician the urban politician is offline
The City
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Chicago region
Posts: 21,375
^ I hate that it's a monstrosity too, but in the end I'm still very glad it's getting built. It's replacing a depressing sea of nothingness, and it will add a ton of enclosure as well as street level retail to Broadway.
Reply With Quote
     
     
This discussion thread continues

Use the page links to the lower-right to go to the next page for additional posts
 
 
Reply

Go Back   SkyscraperPage Forum > Global Projects & Construction > General Development
Forum Jump



Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 7:37 PM.

     
SkyscraperPage.com - Archive - Privacy Statement - Top

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.