But on the other hand is a lot less than say Winnipeg.
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Likewise, Chicago is a good deal more violent in terms of homicides per capita than is NYC.
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As to the 'why'.....
I'd only be taking a guess.........but it would probably be this.
1) Montreal was worse than Toronto as the height of the biker gang wars, when bombs were going off, sometimes maiming or killing by-standers.
Police in Quebec cracked down on organized crime in an unprecedented way that probably made both an absolute dent; but also create more of a culture of 'don't draw heat' among serious criminals in Montreal.
2) Fewer firearms; Quebec retained the gun registry; I also suspect its U.S. border crossings and less opportune for smuggling.
3) More generous social state. From daycare to greater access to prescriptions/dental, to lower tuitions.
4) I wonder if French forms more of a barrier to mixing with U.S. criminal groups?
5) Finally, and not a small one; a whole lot more police. In 2019 Montreal had almost 40% more police per capita vs Toronto.
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How do we explain that Toronto has ~3x Montreal's rate? Haven't paid attention lately to whatever is the explanation.
(I'm not following Australia much, but if I learned that Melbourne has 3x Sydney's crime rate or vice versa, I'd likely raise an eyebrow.)
I don't think Montreal's homicide rate is in the range of 3 times less than that of Toronto.
Toronto city proper has almost 1 million more people than Montreal island, so relative to population the rate is probably just over double in Toronto. At least at the moment.
Note that Ottawa has almost exactly half of Montreal island's population, with about the same number of murders.
So Ottawa's murder rate per 100,000 will be double Montreal's as well.
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But on the other hand is a lot less than say Winnipeg.
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Likewise, Chicago is a good deal more violent in terms of homicides per capita than is NYC.
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As to the 'why'.....
I'd only be taking a guess.........but it would probably be this.
1) Montreal was worse than Toronto as the height of the biker gang wars, when bombs were going off, sometimes maiming or killing by-standers.
Police in Quebec cracked down on organized crime in an unprecedented way that probably made both an absolute dent; but also create more of a culture of 'don't draw heat' among serious criminals in Montreal.
2) Fewer firearms; Quebec retained the gun registry; I also suspect its U.S. border crossings and less opportune for smuggling.
3) More generous social state. From daycare to greater access to prescriptions/dental, to lower tuitions.
4) I wonder if French forms more of a barrier to mixing with U.S. criminal groups?
5) Finally, and not a small one; a whole lot more police. In 2019 Montreal had almost 40% more police per capita vs Toronto.
It's a controversial practice (it's even controversial to mention it on SSP) but contrary to police in Ontario, police in Montreal have never stopped "carding" and other more proactive approaches to policing.
In Ontario these were banned by the previous Wynne government, and in spite of rumblings from the Ford government, things have not really changed since the Tories took over.
That said, there is a lot of talk and even pressure to eliminate these procedures in Montreal as well, and there have even been steps taken to move the city police (SPVM) in that direction (with the support of mayor Valérie Plante) but so far I don't think things have changed that much.
Plante's political party (we have municipal parties in Quebec) has even floated a proposal to disarm SPVM officers. Not sure how far that will get though.
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Plante's political party (we have municipal parties in Quebec) has even floated a proposal to disarm SPVM officers. Not sure how far that will get though.
They discussed about the possibility of disarming some police officers, if it made sense in some situations, as part of a pilot project.
Montreal jumped by three murders last evening in a single shooting incident (five people shot in total) in Rivière-des-Prairies, which is the NE part of the island.
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1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/suspect-charged-with-capital-murder-after-man-was-found-dead-in-round-rock/?utm_campaign=alert_bar&utm_source=side_bullets - Round Rock shooting - 1/9
1 dead - https://cbsaustin.com/news/local/one-person-dead-after-shooting-in-northeast-austin - Austin shooting - 1/11
1 dead - http://www.austintexas.gov/news/homicide-5000-brighton-road - Austin shooting - 1/18
1 dead - https://www.statesman.com/story/news/2021/01/22/hays-county-sheriffs-office-investigating-apparent-shooting/6681601002/ - Buda shooting - 1/21
1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/man-killed-after-shootout-between-two-groups-at-north-austin-complex-police-say/ - Austin shooting - 1/23
2 dead - http://www.austintexas.gov/news/homicide-1912-w-35th-street - Austin shooting - 1/26
1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/one-person-dead-after-shooting-in-north-austin/?fbclid=IwAR2QlQlGL89M9QlIMXNDSAU9spvMEhu31Cpqo8Jsl-tQaPXWOlrPLuNNY4o - Austin shooting - 1/29
1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/local/austin/police-investigating-suspicious-death-in-east-austin-2/ - Austin shooting - 2/2
1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/local/police-investigating-suspicious-death-in-southeast-austin-3/ - Austin obvious trauma - 2/3
1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/suspicious-death-being-investigated-in-central-austin/ - Austin shooting - 2/6
2 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/elderly-couple-found-dead-in-suspected-murder-suicide-at-cedar-park-home/?utm_campaign=socialflow&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=facebook.com&fbclid=IwAR2d0OJqQ9Lwib8K-06sGBipshijYzvjNIcP2vCkMkef1W-GjrUamnIZ9ws - Cedar Park murder/suicide - 2/9
1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/19-year-old-man-stabbed-and-killed-northeast-austin-fight-police-say/ - Austin stabbing - 2/16
1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/man-faces-murder-charge-after-wife-found-dead-at-south-austin-hotel-room/ - Austin unlisted cause - 2/16
1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/toddler-dies-during-february-winter-storm-austin-police-investigating-as-homicide/ - Austin unlisted cause - 2/18
2 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/local/travis-county/travis-county-deputies-investigate-possible-murder-suicide-involving-two-male-relatives/ - Pflugervile shooting - 2/19
1 dead - https://www.statesman.com/story/news/crime/2021/06/25/hutto-teacher-julie-hall-disappearance-husband-travis-hall-charged-with-murder/5352450001/ - Hutto blunt force trauma - 2/19
1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/one-man-dead-after-shooting-at-north-austin-apartment-complex/ - Austin shooting - 2/28
1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/local/austin/police-investigating-deadly-shooting-in-downtown-austin-early-sunday-morning/ - Austin shooting - 3/14
1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/man-arrested-on-murder-charge-after-san-marcos-woman-found-dead-on-backyard-patio/ - San Marcos body found - 3/15
1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/local/austin/homicide-investigation-underway-after-death-thursday-morning-in-north-austin/ - Austin shooting - 3/18
1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/local/austin/one-person-dies-in-southeast-austin-shooting/ - Austin shooting - 3/21
1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/police-reporting-to-scene-of-shooting-incident-in-northwest-austin-residents-should-avoid-the-area/ - Austin shooting - 3/22
1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/local/austin/apd-investigating-suspicious-death-in-south-austin-neighborhood/ - Austin shooting - 3/25
1 dead - http://www.austintexas.gov/news/homicide-6600-block-bradley-dr - Austin shooting - 3/27
1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/man-taken-to-a-hospital-with-life-threatening-injuries-after-shooting-at-east-austin-home/ - Austin shooting - 3/28
1 dead - http://www.austintexas.gov/news/homicide-11100-block-n-ih-35-svrd - Austin shooting - 3/28
1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/local/austin/apd-investigating-homicide-in-nw-austin/ - Austin shooting - 3/31
1 dead - https://www.kvue.com/article/news/crime/leander-texas-police-knife-suspect/269-2018951c-a1c4-4d00-b9b4-c543b4ff4e3a - Leander stabbing - 3/31
1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/local/austin/apd-investigating-deadly-shooting-in-se-austin/ - Austin shooting - 4/6
1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/austin-police-investigating-homicide-in-north-austin/ - Austin shooting - 4/13
3 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/active-shooter-reported-at-arboretum-in-northwest-austin-3-reportedly-injured/ - Austin shooting - 4/18
1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/local/poli...stin-homicide/ - Austin shooting - 4/25
1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/poli...in-apartments/ - Austin shooting - 4/29
1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/man-...dziJCzKgAY6OeM - Austin shooting - 5/2
1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/16-y...n-bell-county/ - Austin shooting - 5/5
1 dead - https://www.kvue.com/article/news/cr...a-a8fd7e9920c3 - Lockhart shooting - 5/7
1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/local/aust...g-for-suspect/ - Austin shooting - 5/15
1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/15-y...wntown-austin/ - Austin shooting - 5/20
1 dead - http://www.austintexas.gov/news/homi...us-highway-290 - Austin shooting - 5/23
1 dead - https://www.statesman.com/story/news...ty/5286265001/ - Pflugerville stabbing - 5/31
1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/top-stories/tcs...-south-austin/ - Pflugerville shooting - 6/1
1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/local/aust...theast-austin/ - Austin shooting - 6/11
1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/local/aust...mass-shooting/ - Austin shooting - 6/12
1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/local/aust...-north-austin/ - Austin shooting - 6/12
1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/man-...n-parking-lot/ - Austin shooting - 6/17
1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/local/1-de...stin-shooting/ - Austin shooting - 6/20
1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/local/aust...n-east-austin/ - Austin shooting - 6/23
1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/local/aust...y-expo-center/ - Austin shooting - 6/24
1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/local/aust...ied-by-police/ - Austin stabbing - 6/27
1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/1-de...in-cedar-park/ - Cedar Park shooting - 7/7
1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/man-dead-t...thwest-austin/ - Austin shooting - 7/12
1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/1-pe...ar-6th-street/ - Austin shooting - 7/17
1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/homi...tion-shooting/ - Austin shooting - 7/17
1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/ceda...tment-complex/ - Cedar Park stabbing - 7/20
1 dead - http://www.austintexas.gov/news/homi...-frontage-road - Austin stabbing - 7/23
1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/local/will...ning-homicide/ - Round Rock shooting - 7/26
1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/pers...unday-morning/ - Austin shooting - 8/1
1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/local/aust...austin-murder/ - Austin shooting - 8/2
1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/33-y...tin-apartment/ - Austin shooting - 8/11
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Pending cases
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1 dead - https://cbsaustin.com/news/local/apd-investigating-deceased-person-in-hotel-room-in-north-central-austin - 2/14
1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/local/travis-county/18-year-old-found-dead-on-recycling-center-conveyor-belt-in-travis-county/ - 3/24
1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/28-year-old-dies-morning-after-fight-at-east-austin-strip-club-suspect-arrested/ - Austin beating - 4/7
1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/local/austin/adult-pronounced-dead-after-being-found-in-ravine-by-bystanders-off-us-290/ - Austin body found - 5/20
1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/local/austin/man-dies-after-reportedly-being-run-over-by-car-in-north-austin-parking-lot/ - Austin vehicular homicide - 6/25
1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/suspicious-death-in-northwest-austin-under-investigation/ - Austin body found - 8/11
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Previous years
2020 - City - 44 - Metro - 68
2019 - City - 35 - Metro - 57
2018 - City - 35 - Metro - 44
2017 - City - 23 - Metro - 43
2016 - City - 28 - Metro - 50
2015 - City - 21 - Metro - 43
2014 - City - 31 - Metro - 42
2013 - City - 26 - Metro - 46
2012 - 32
2011 - 28
2010 - 31
2009 - 23
2008 - 24
2007 - 30
2006 - 20
2005 - 26
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Previous years per month
2021 - Jan 7, Feb 9, Mar 11, Apr 7, May 7, Jun 9, Jul 7,
2020 - Jan 6, Feb 6, Mar 9, Apr 4, May 5, Jun 9, Jul 5, Aug 6, Sep 5, Oct 6, Nov 6, Dec 2
2019 - Jan 4, Feb 7, Mar 4, Apr 4, May 5, Jun 5, Jul 6, Aug 6, Sep 2, Oct 1, Nov 5, Dec 8
2018 - Jan 4, Feb 1, Mar 8, Apr 3, May 4, Jun 5, Jul 2, Aug 5, Sep 8, Oct 1, Nov 3, Dec 1
2017 - Jan 1, Feb 6, Mar 7, Apr 1, May 5, Jun 3, Jul 3, Aug 6, Sep 2, Oct 2, Nov 0, Dec 7
2016 - Jan 1, Feb 1, Mar 1, Apr 3, May 4, Jun 6, Jul 10, Aug 6, Sep 11, Oct 6, Nov 4, Dec 6
2015 - Jan 2, Feb 6, Mar 3, Apr 5, May 1, Jun 4, Jul 2, Aug 3, Sep 4, Oct 1, Nov 4, Dec 9
2014 - Jan 4, Feb 3, Mar 6, Apr 2, May 1, Jun 4, Jul 2, Aug 1, Sep 4, Oct 5, Nov 7, Dec 5
2013 - Jan 3, Feb 6, Mar 1, Apr 4, May 5, Jun 2, Jul 4, Aug 2, Sep 6, Oct 5, Nov 2, Dec 5
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Austin area population
City: 961,855 2020 Census - source: US Census Bureau
Travis County: 1,290,188 2020 Census - source: US Census Bureau
Metro: 2,283,371 2020 Census - source: US Census Bureau
Area - City: 297 square miles (2010) - US Census Bureau
Area - Metro: 4,285 square miles - Wikipedia
Area - Travis County: 1,023 square miles - Wikipedia
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Last edited by KevinFromTexas; Aug 17, 2021 at 10:30 PM.
Statesman article says Austin now at 50 homicides.
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Fifty people have been killed in Austin so far this year, the largest number of homicides the city has seen in three decades.
Two homicides were reported on Friday, adding to the already historically high number of such deaths seen so far this year. Both of the latest killings were shootings that occurred this month.
I saw that. Homicides is counting both murders and justified/self defense killings. I think they also count police involved shootings if I'm not mistaken.
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Edit: 56 cases, since a case from earlier in the year was classified as a homicide. These are homicides, not 'murders.' The number of these homicide cases determined to be murders is around 50 so far.
I'm not sure what their July totals are since I haven't been following their murders for a few years now, and they also haven't updated for July and August on SAPD's crime report page, but up to June so far, they've had 74 murders. Over the last 10 years, San Antonio has seen between 72 and 149 murders annually.