PHILADELPHIA | Highrise Development Thread X

[summersm343]

Originally Posted by PHLtoNYC

I'm gonna say no to the bold, but good to be hopeful!

I'll add a few good and bad...

Philadelphia will elect Rebecca Rhynhart as Mayor.
The Jewelers Row Tower will start construction.
A major hotel will be announced in Center City.
Philadelphia's poverty rate will dip below 21%.
There will be NO movement on the Broad & Lombard project, the Durst apartment building, and Market East will fester for another year.

Don’t we already know the Penn’s Landing park is supposed to start in 2023? Why would you say no to that?

800+ footer is indeed a possibility. Philadelphia is due for a taller building proposal. 2023 is 6 years since FMC and Comcast 2 were proposed. I could see a new mixed-use proposal combining lab/life science space, luxury apartments and a hotel.

[iheartphilly]

^
Sounds like a recipe for Schuylkill Yards to me for the 800+ footer.

[summersm343]

Originally Posted by iheartphilly

^
Sounds like a recipe for Schuylkill Yards to me for the 800+ footer.

Fingers crossed! Also thinking PECO lot could be an option, although that one seems like wishful thinking.

[PHLtoNYC]

Originally Posted by summersm343

What else could close? Lol. At this point, Walnut has been almost entirely turned over.

The only space on the 1800 block will be once Barnes and Noble relocates.

The only space on the 1700 block will be the old Ann Taylor space and the empty lot, which hopefully we’ll hear more news on soon.

The only spaces on the 1600 block will be the Alma de Cuba spot (and there have been rumors Starr is planning a new concept here), the Ulta beauty spot, the old Townhome spot and the old Modell’s spot.

The only space on the 1500 block will be the old Taft space, My.Suit space, the Gap space and Club Monaco space.

I would say the 1400 block is in the worst shape at the moment, but hopefully the Bellevue renovations will give this block new life.

Not many spaces left.

The momentum is building so let's hope more brands take notice of opportunity. A proposal on the 1700 block and Bellevue revamp are the biggest missing links.

BTW, what is happening at 15th & Walnut, the old LA Fitness spot? The interior is gutted.

Originally Posted by summersm343

Don’t we already know the Penn’s Landing park is supposed to start in 2023? Why would you say no to that?

800+ footer is indeed a possibility. Philadelphia is due for a taller building proposal. 2023 is 6 years since FMC and Comcast 2 were proposed. I could see a new mixed-use proposal combining lab/life science space, luxury apartments and a hotel.

You know I want all good things too. I see a lot of good (like construction starting at Jewelers Row and 1700 Walnut), but I also see stagnation (not cancellation) of other plans, like the Penn's Landing Park. But I am hopeful they all actually start this year!

And I see a 500' or 600' tower/s (maybe the red building on JFK and something near Rittenhouse), but 800' is a wish. The last 800'+ tower was Comcast 2 and before that Comcast 1. But again, let's hope for big things!

[PHLJD13]

Originally Posted by TonyTone

DSC04121 by Tony Valuez, on Flickr

Great shot! I think its the combination of its weird open-top roof and the style of its windows, but 1650 Arch always reminds me of a giant parking garage between the towers.

[TK2001]

With the talk about Schuylkill Yards above, that got me thinking. What if the red tower starts construction this year, and at the groundbreaking they will reveal a bigger and final tower. 3025 JFK will be nearly complete and 3151 Market will be well unde by then

[summersm343]

Originally Posted by TK2001

With the talk about Schuylkill Yards above, that got me thinking. What if the red tower starts construction this year, and at the groundbreaking they will reveal a bigger and final tower. 3025 JFK will be nearly complete and 3151 Market will be well unde by then

There is still 3101 Market, and 3051 JFK, plus the eventual future redevelopment of 3000 and 3020 Market.

Hoping 3051 JFK is around 400-450 feet. Lab/life science space topped with residential.

3101 Market should be 800-900+ feet. There was hope and belief this would be 1,000+ feet, but I just don’t see that happening anymore. A tower with lab/life science space or office space plus residential and hotel could easily reach at least 800 feet.

[summersm343]

Originally Posted by PHLtoNYC

The momentum is building so let's hope more brands take notice of opportunity. A proposal on the 1700 block and Bellevue revamp are the biggest missing links.

BTW, what is happening at 15th & Walnut, the old LA Fitness spot? The interior is gutted.



You know I want all good things too. I see a lot of good (like construction starting at Jewelers Row and 1700 Walnut), but I also see stagnation (not cancellation) of other plans, like the Penn's Landing Park. But I am hopeful they all actually start this year!

And I see a 500' or 600' tower/s (maybe the red building on JFK and something near Rittenhouse), but 800' is a wish. The last 800'+ tower was Comcast 2 and before that Comcast 1. But again, let's hope for big things!

Honestly no clue what’s going on at the old LA fitness space. Haven’t heard anything. Hopefully something interesting! There were some nice additions and relocations on Walnut Street in 2022 including Outdoor Voices, Madewell, Glossier, Vans, Tiffany & Co., J. Crew, Brooklinen, Free People, Gorjana, Express Edit, etc. etc. More great additions will be opening soon in Aritzia, ThirdLove, Parachute, Nike, Joybird, etc… and I know of at least 3-4 rumors that haven’t been announced yet either.

Philadelphia is already getting 500-600 footers. W/Element is 617 feet tall. Laurel is 604 feet tall. Arthaus is 528 feet tall. For proposed Broad & Lombard is 552 feet, 115 S. 19th Street is 611 feet tall, 3001 JFK as mentioned at Schuylkill Yards is 512 feet tall… I could see one or two more 500-600 foot proposals this year, but I just feel Philadelphia is due for another taller building and something bigger is coming. Whether that’s Schuylkill Yards or something else.

Guess we’ll see and time will tell!!!

[TonyTone]

Word on Twitter is that Previous Mayor Nutter is considering a run for Mayor this election Cycle. How do we feel about this?

[summersm343]

Originally Posted by TonyTone

Word on Twitter is that Previous Mayor Nutter is considering a run for Mayor this election Cycle. How do we feel about this?

So down with that! Bring back Nutter! If he runs, Jesus… was too many good options now lol

[mcgrath618]

Originally Posted by TonyTone

Word on Twitter is that Previous Mayor Nutter is considering a run for Mayor this election Cycle. How do we feel about this?

Apparently Bloomberg too (???????????)

[allovertown]

Originally Posted by mcgrath618

Apparently Bloomberg too (???????????)

As part of Nutter's campaign or you're saying he's going to run himself? In what world would Michael Bloomberg think he would have a chance in hell of being elected mayor of Philadelphia? I mean he thought he could become president so I guess unearned confidence is a strong suit, but still...

Speaking of which, while I think Nutter was a good mayor I haven't enjoyed his post mayoral office act, which is idk, best described as Cosbyesque? Not accusing him of date rape, speaking more of Cosby's love for scolding young black men that Nutter also seems to enjoy. I'm especially not a fan of him endorsing and working for Bloomberg. He also seems incredibly interested in defending and promoting his actions as mayor. I think we need a mayor concerned with moving forward and isn't going to be making decisions in 2024 based on how it effects his legacy as major over a decade ago.

[PHLtoNYC]

Originally Posted by summersm343

Philadelphia is already getting 500-600 footers. W/Element is 617 feet tall. Laurel is 604 feet tall. Arthaus is 528 feet tall. For proposed Broad & Lombard is 552 feet, 115 S. 19th Street is 611 feet tall, 3001 JFK as mentioned at Schuylkill Yards is 512 feet tall… I could see one or two more 500-600 foot proposals this year, but I just feel Philadelphia is due for another taller building and something bigger is coming. Whether that’s Schuylkill Yards or something else.

Guess we’ll see and time will tell!!!

I have no doubt the city will see at least additional proposals in the ~400'+ range this year, but an 800' tower is still a big ask. But yes, time will tell!

I saved these posts so we can revisit in 11 months.

Originally Posted by summersm343

So down with that! Bring back Nutter! If he runs, Jesus… was too many good options now lol

I still think Rebecca Rhynhart deserves a shot.

I'd rather see Nutter and Bloomberg do more behind the scenes work promoting Philadelphia, similar to John Fry and Jerry Sweeney.

Separately, I'd like to see Charles Ramsey come out of retirement, Danielle Outlaw needs to go...

[JohnIII]

Happy New Year

I hope all have had a good New Year thus far. A lot has been predicted so I'll add mine.

Major moves on the Bellweather District
Moves on the Naval Yard
Moves on Mass Transit, light and heavy rail

Aside from the known skyscrapers between 500-650' what the heck I think Philadelphia can see something 800-1000'; heck I'll be positive

We are seeing tense economic times but Philadelphia is located in a good location on the East Coast; its affordable and momentum exists.

[mcgrath618]

Originally Posted by allovertown

As part of Nutter's campaign or you're saying he's going to run himself? In what world would Michael Bloomberg think he would have a chance in hell of being elected mayor of Philadelphia? I mean he thought he could become president so I guess unearned confidence is a strong suit, but still...

Speaking of which, while I think Nutter was a good mayor I haven't enjoyed his post mayoral office act, which is idk, best described as Cosbyesque? Not accusing him of date rape, speaking more of Cosby's love for scolding young black men that Nutter also seems to enjoy. I'm especially not a fan of him endorsing and working for Bloomberg. He also seems incredibly interested in defending and promoting his actions as mayor. I think we need a mayor concerned with moving forward and isn't going to be making decisions in 2024 based on how it effects his legacy as major over a decade ago.

As himself.

[Londonee]

Originally Posted by mcgrath618

As himself.

Are you reporting this?

[cardeza]

Originally Posted by allovertown

As part of Nutter's campaign or you're saying he's going to run himself? In what world would Michael Bloomberg think he would have a chance in hell of being elected mayor of Philadelphia? I mean he thought he could become president so I guess unearned confidence is a strong suit, but still...

Speaking of which, while I think Nutter was a good mayor I haven't enjoyed his post mayoral office act, which is idk, best described as Cosbyesque? Not accusing him of date rape, speaking more of Cosby's love for scolding young black men that Nutter also seems to enjoy. I'm especially not a fan of him endorsing and working for Bloomberg. He also seems incredibly interested in defending and promoting his actions as mayor. I think we need a mayor concerned with moving forward and isn't going to be making decisions in 2024 based on how it effects his legacy as major over a decade ago.

Not sure about the whole Cosby comparison thing. I mean people are allowed to tell the truth- well they should be allowed to I should say. There were some (and they got lots of attention) who were supposedly offended by some of the stuff he said as mayor about black males but there were many who were not. The media tends to find the most outraged in the black community and then give them voice as representatives of their people as if we are monolithic. Nothing Nutter has ever said about crime or who has been committing crimes etc has offended me or the people I know. If he wasn't term limited he would've won a third term. Not everyone black loved Nutter (same would apply to any mayor) but I guarantee you almost all black citizens took him seriously or had some respect for him.

[cardeza]

Originally Posted by PHLtoNYC

I have no doubt the city will see at least additional proposals in the ~400'+ range this year, but an 800' tower is still a big ask. But yes, time will tell!

I saved these posts so we can revisit in 11 months.




I still think Rebecca Rhynhart deserves a shot.

I'd rather see Nutter and Bloomberg do more behind the scenes work promoting Philadelphia, similar to John Fry and Jerry Sweeney.

Separately, I'd like to see Charles Ramsey come out of retirement, Danielle Outlaw needs to go...

I dont think we have seen the real outlaw- she is running the police dept in a manner that aligns with the viewpoint of the mayor who hired her- if you recall when she was hired the supposed knock on her was that she wasnt the most progressive and she had come up a lot of criticism in Portland for how protests were handled. I think she CAN do better, but I don't know if she is really allowed to do so. Either way she is likely to be replaced by next mayor.

[skyhigh07]

Originally Posted by summersm343

The only spaces on the 1600 block will be the Alma de Cuba spot (and there have been rumors Starr is planning a new concept here), the Ulta beauty spot, the old Townhome spot and the old Modell’s spot.

Just walked by the old Modell’s spot. It now has “leased” signs in the windows - another domino falls

I saw somewhere that it will be an Alo Yoga (high end yoga apparel). Can anyone confirm this?

[Gatorade_Jim]

Originally Posted by summersm343

Honestly no clue what’s going on at the old LA fitness space. Haven’t heard anything. Hopefully something interesting! There were some nice additions and relocations on Walnut Street in 2022 including Outdoor Voices, Madewell, Glossier, Vans, Tiffany & Co., J. Crew, Brooklinen, Free People, Gorjana, Express Edit, etc. etc. More great additions will be opening soon in Aritzia, ThirdLove, Parachute, Nike, Joybird, etc… and I know of at least 3-4 rumors that haven’t been announced yet either.

Philadelphia is already getting 500-600 footers. W/Element is 617 feet tall. Laurel is 604 feet tall. Arthaus is 528 feet tall. For proposed Broad & Lombard is 552 feet, 115 S. 19th Street is 611 feet tall, 3001 JFK as mentioned at Schuylkill Yards is 512 feet tall… I could see one or two more 500-600 foot proposals this year, but I just feel Philadelphia is due for another taller building and something bigger is coming. Whether that’s Schuylkill Yards or something else.

Guess we’ll see and time will tell!!!

The LA fitness space has been vacant since ~2015 so if that gets filled then it’s a fantastic barometer for just how well the city is recovering.