UBCx - Millennium Line Extension Arbutus to UBC | Proposed - Page 8

WarrenC12 · #**141** Posted **Mar 30, 2022, 4:09 PM**

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Originally Posted by officedweller

Still wait and see since Council's choice is just a suggestion to TransLink.

True but you'd think Translink would take this pretty seriously given Vancouver's position in the region, and the fact that this line is right through Vancouver.

This is nothing compared to how TL jumped through hoops for Surrey's LRT and Skytrain flip flop.

WarrenC12 · #**142** Posted **Mar 30, 2022, 4:10 PM**

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Originally Posted by aberdeen5698

Business owners have very different motivations than homeowners do. For retailers, the more folks that are around, the merrier. The opposite is usually true for homeowners.

Business owners still like to oppose bike lanes even when data shows they will generally bring more customers.

GenWhy? · #**143** Posted **Mar 30, 2022, 4:24 PM**

Hardwick keeps saying we have too many homes and no one takes transit anymore when Vancouver proper is at like 70% of it's 2019 numbers.

aberdeen5698 · #**144** Posted **Mar 30, 2022, 7:16 PM**

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Originally Posted by WarrenC12

Business owners still like to oppose bike lanes even when data shows they will generally bring more customers.

That mindset seems to be changing as reality starts to sink in. Vancouver's been putting many km of downtown bike lanes in the last few years and I haven't heard a peep from the business community compared to the huge stink they raised about the Dunsmuir bike lane.

Even so, that has little to do with the fact that businesses just love the pedestrian traffic generated near Skytrain stations. So do developers. Everybody, in fact, except existing homeowners. A bit counterproductive for them, perhaps, since it boosts their land value considerably.

Migrant_Coconut · #**145** Posted **Mar 30, 2022, 7:35 PM**

It's the perception of losing customers, because now there's less parking space. Same reason Condonbots think streetcars increase mobility because there's less cars.

CanSpice · #**146** Posted **Mar 30, 2022, 9:55 PM**

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Originally Posted by aberdeen5698

That mindset seems to be changing as reality starts to sink in. Vancouver's been putting many km of downtown bike lanes in the last few years and I haven't heard a peep from the business community compared to the huge stink they raised about the Dunsmuir bike lane.

The Downtown Vancouver BIA is fully on board with bike lanes now. They used to be against them, but after they saw the success bike lanes brought to their businesses, they're all in favour.

WarrenC12 · #**147** Posted **Mar 30, 2022, 9:59 PM**

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Originally Posted by aberdeen5698

That mindset seems to be changing as reality starts to sink in. Vancouver's been putting many km of downtown bike lanes in the last few years and I haven't heard a peep from the business community compared to the huge stink they raised about the Dunsmuir bike lane.

Well, they opposed Hornby St. I'm not sure about Richards, but that is primarily residential.

The business owners along Commercial Drive have been very opposed to re-purposing parking lanes there for bike lanes.

officedweller · #**148** Posted **Mar 30, 2022, 10:29 PM**

Hmm - the Hive story actually has 2 different diagrams (both credited to the City of Vancouver).

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/ubc-skyt...-station-approved-vancouver-city-council

Spr0ckets · #**149** Posted **Mar 30, 2022, 10:48 PM**

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Originally Posted by officedweller

Hmm - the Hive story actually has 2 different diagrams (both credited to the City of Vancouver).

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/ubc-skyt...-station-approved-vancouver-city-council

If I understand the article correctly, the lower image is a comparison of the two routes considered, with the Jericho Lands route being the one they eventually recommended and endorsed.

There was some discussion by City staff (or more like, hope) of them possibly doing an option that buids both routes, but that was quickly (and rightly) slapped down by Translink as being unfeasible and impractical, as both stops would likely be cannibalising the same pool of riders, and building that dual-route option would almost likely drive the project way overbudget.

The Jericho Lands stop makes more sense especially considering the fact that in addition to the usual UBC students/employees and the anticipated increased population from the development of those lands, you'l also have people using it to more conveniently get to and from Jericho beach.

They'll likely just create a shuttle service between the Jericho Lands stop and Sasamat to serve the riders from there who would have been the ones using a Sasamat stop.

Sheba · #**150** Posted **Mar 30, 2022, 11:35 PM**

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Originally Posted by Spr0ckets

If I understand the article correctly, the lower image is a comparison of the two routes considered, with the Jericho Lands route being the one they eventually recommended and endorsed.

There was some discussion by City staff (or more like, hope) of them possibly doing an option that buids both routes, but that was quickly (and rightly) slapped down by Translink as being unfeasible and impractical, as both stops would likely be cannibalising the same pool of riders, and building that dual-route option would almost likely drive the project way overbudget.

The Jericho Lands stop makes more sense especially considering the fact that in addition to the usual UBC students/employees and the anticipated increased population from the development of those lands, you'l also have people using it to more conveniently get to and from Jericho beach.

They'll likely just create a shuttle service between the Jericho Lands stop and Sasamat to serve the riders from there who would have been the ones using a Sasamat stop.

I didn't read it as two routes through the area but two stations - which is also not a good idea for those same reasons.

Even putting in a shuttle is silly. If people can't walk the roughly 1km from the station (google maps walking route between W 6th / Discovery to W 10th / Sassamat) then they can take the 9 bus from Alma station. It's not as if TransLink is going to completely erase all local service.

madog222 · #**151** Posted **Mar 30, 2022, 11:59 PM**

Taking the existing bus service along 10th to Alma is fine, no need to get people to the Jericho station.

Migrant_Coconut · #**152** Posted **Mar 31, 2022, 12:18 AM**

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Originally Posted by Spr0ckets

They'll likely just create a shuttle service between the Jericho Lands stop and Sasamat to serve the riders from there who would have been the ones using a Sasamat stop.

I think we finally have a use for that stupid driverless taxi from three years ago.

Mac Write · #**153** Posted **Mar 31, 2022, 6:43 AM**

Why not have both stations. That's the best solution IMO.

Migrant_Coconut · #**154** Posted **Mar 31, 2022, 8:19 AM**

Because two underground stations for 31,000 people* is expensive overkill, as TransLink explained during the meeting. Best case is Jericho now and Blanca a few decades later.

*Point Grey has about 13k residents. Jericho would add 18k. Underground stations are $200m apiece, meaning $400m for both Sasamat and Jericho. Not worth it.

aberdeen5698 · #**155** Posted **Mar 31, 2022, 7:55 PM**

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Originally Posted by WarrenC12

Well, they opposed Hornby St. I'm not sure about Richards, but that is primarily residential.

The Hornby bike lane seemed to have been the last gasp of business opposition. And it was pretty tame compared to the cries of armageddon that were raised over Dunsmuir.

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Originally Posted by Spr0ckets

The Jericho Lands stop makes more sense especially considering the fact that in addition to the usual UBC students/employees and the anticipated increased population from the development of those lands, you'l also have people using it to more conveniently get to and from Jericho beach.

I just wish there was a way for Translink to recoup some of the increase in value that this decision brings to the development of the Jericho lands.

WarrenC12 · #**156** Posted **Mar 31, 2022, 7:59 PM**

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Originally Posted by aberdeen5698

The Hornby bike lane seemed to have been the last gasp of business opposition. And it was pretty tame compared to the cries of armageddon that were raised over Dunsmuir.

Tell that to the people freaking out over Commercial Drive:

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/commercial-drive-bike-lanes

And Stanley Park:

https://vancouver.citynews.ca/2021/03/04/opposition-stanley-park-bike-lane/

aberdeen5698 · #**157** Posted **Apr 1, 2022, 8:06 AM**

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Tell that to the people freaking out over Commercial Drive...

Yeah, point well taken. I think their concern is misplaced - as a driver I assiduously avoid Commercial Drive right now due to the congestion and the total lack of parking (there's street parking but it's always full). I can't imagine I'm the only one who thinks that way. I'd probably end up visiting more often if I could bike there.

And the same is true of Stanley Park. The biggest squawker seems to be the restaurant/cafe/concession at Prospect Point. I've biked the park drive when they've had one lane reserved for cyclists and that place has queues of people looking to reward themselves after having cycled up the grade to get there. Between them and the buses and carriages I really don't see what their problem is. I've never stopped there while driving, who wants to pay the parking fees?

Migrant_Coconut · #**158** Posted **Apr 1, 2022, 10:13 AM**

I can see it both ways - consider all the folks stuck behind that horse carriage. Surely there's enough room for two vehicle lanes and a smaller bike lane?

FarmerHaight · #**159** Posted **Apr 1, 2022, 2:21 PM**

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Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

I can see it both ways - consider all the folks stuck behind that horse carriage. Surely there's enough room for two vehicle lanes and a smaller bike lane?

That just gives them more time to enjoy the scenery

aberdeen5698 · #**160** Posted **Apr 1, 2022, 3:00 PM**

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Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

I can see it both ways - consider all the folks stuck behind that horse carriage. Surely there's enough room for two vehicle lanes and a smaller bike lane?

Why are we blaming the congestion on the bike lane and not on the carriages? There are a lot more bike lane users in the park than carriage patrons...

Sorry, this is getting off topic, unless the carriages start using the Skytrain guideways...