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Regarding the Ram's move to LA, St. Louis just won a $790 million lawsuit over the NFL regarding their relocation. St. Louis did not want the Rams to leave and the Rams told St. Louis they would be interested in staying in town if a new stadium could be built, among other things. So a handful of regional entities spent millions of dollars planning for one. However, it came out the Rams had no intention of staying in St. Louis and had lied that they did. So St. Louis had spent millions of dollars for nothing.
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Fitting for hockey though. I kinda like it.

If I decided to get a dog, I might name it Slush.

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Do people know what a Slush Puppie is?

It's a sugary slushy drink, similar to a 7-Eleven Slurpee.

The headquarters for Slush Puppie is located in my city (Gatineau).
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Even better than Slush Puppie, here is a great name for a stadium/arena.
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wrigley is a chewing gum brand
read the thread.

i already addressed that:
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Not really.

William Wrigley Jr. bought the cubs in 1926 and as the new owner of the team, he then changed the name of the stadium to his family name. Prior to then it was known as "Cubs Park".

He also owned a large chewing gum company with his family name on it.

Today, Wrigley the chewing gum company has nothing to do with Wrigley the field, and there never has been any corporate sponsorship or naming rights deal in place.






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in 2022? No, there is no deal.
and there never was a "deal".

like a lot of early 20th century tycoons, William Wrigley Jr. simply loved putting his name on shit.

now, in the back of his mind was he also thinking, "hey, if i name the stadium i just bought after myself, that will also help build brand awareness for my chewing gum company of the same name. win-win!"?

almost certainly, but it wasn't a corporate naming rights sponsorship or deal. not one penny has ever been exchanged between business entities for the name of Wrigley Field.

William Wrigley Jr. just loved his family name and never missed an opportunity to promote it.

now, if he had named the ballpark "Wrigely's Chewing Gum Company Stadium" or other such asinine name, then yeah, that would've been far more blatant.
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Which word is spelled bizarrely?
Puppy? They spell it "Puppie". That struck me even before the weird name.

Reminds me of store awning you sometimes see in NYC outer boroughs with misspelled signs. Not cutesy spellings but clear spellcheck/language/grammar errors.
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Even better than Slush Puppie, here is a great name for a stadium/arena.
Don't give them any ideas.
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Puppy? They spell it "Puppie". That struck me even before the weird name.

Reminds me of store awning you sometimes see in NYC outer boroughs with misspelled signs. Not cutesy spellings but clear spellcheck/language/grammar errors.
OK. I guess I've been used to seeing it all my life. Like Cheez Whiz.

Not a fan of these types of spellings either - intentional or accidental.
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It's a shame that "Great American Ballpark" doesn't live up to its moniker.

Enjoy terrible baseball with views of the murky Ohio River and Northern Kentucky!

At least the Reds Hall of Fame is incredible.
Damn, you're so negative about Cincinnati. I think Great American Ballpark is a nice stadium, and a good place to watch a game. There is a ton of art and local theming, it's intimate and home-run friendly, and I think being right on the riverfront is nice. Guess you prefer watching baseball be played in a dome in the desert...

Also, like the Great Western Forum, I think Great American Ballpark doesn't sound overtly corporate. Most people from outside Cincy probably don't even know that Great American is an insurance company. Like with the forum, GABP just sounds like a somewhat grand, if hokey, name for the ballpark.
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I hate almost every ballpark aside from Wrigley, PNC Park and Dodger Stadium, but I've never been to Fenway, Petco, the SF Giants ballpark or Camden Yards. Chase Field is an awful stadium. I don't hate Cincinnati, I hate being a Cincinnati sports fan.
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Do people know what a Slush Puppie is?

It's a sugary slushy drink, similar to a 7-Eleven Slurpee.

The headquarters for Slush Puppie is located in my city (Gatineau).
Of course I know what a Slush Puppie is! I grew up on that cold deliciousness.

My high school even had Vita Pup machines in the cafeteria.

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Of course I know what a Slush Puppie is! I grew up on that cold deliciousness.

My high school even had Vita Pup machines in the cafeteria.

It's the exact same logo!

https://slushpuppiecanada.com/fr/accueil/
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^ It was the same company... they just had to make it healthier for serving them in school cafeterias. Vitamin water slush with less sugar, I imagine. They were really good.
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^ It was the same company... they just had to make it healthier for serving them in school cafeterias. Vitamin water slush with less sugar, I imagine. They were really good.
I'd always drink them too fast and get a brain freeze.
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But, could a small city get a major league team in the future at some point? If so, what dynamics would have to be in their favor, and what place would you see getting a team, and in what sport?
Short answer is no.

Long answer is also no, because teams are chosen for leagues based on, amongst a plethora of other criteria, market size. Green Bay is an outlier due to the community ownership aspect of the team, similar to what a lot of European teams have, and that it's been grandfathered through a number of different league setups.

There's been some movement for community-owned teams in North American soccer, most notably with Chattanooga FC, Minneapolis City SC, and Detroit City. TSS Rovers FC are trying to do the same in Canada. Because of closed systems, though, it's unlikely any of these teams make the jump to their 'top' leagues.
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Short answer is no.

Long answer is also no, because teams are chosen for leagues based on, amongst a plethora of other criteria, market size. Green Bay is an outlier due to the community ownership aspect of the team, similar to what a lot of European teams have, and that it's been grandfathered through a number of different league setups.

There's been some movement for community-owned teams in North American soccer, most notably with Chattanooga FC, Minneapolis City SC, and Detroit City. TSS Rovers FC are trying to do the same in Canada. Because of closed systems, though, it's unlikely any of these teams make the jump to their 'top' leagues.
For the THIRD time in as many pages on this thread...there is NO community ownership in Green Bay. (What, am I shooting blanks here?) It's a myth and total bullshit. Please read my original post.
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^ here's what wikipedia says:

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Green Bay Packers, Inc.

Green Bay Packers, Inc. is the official name of the publicly held nonprofit corporation that owns the National Football League (NFL)'s Green Bay Packers football franchise, based in Green Bay, Wisconsin.

The Packers are the only publicly owned franchise in the NFL.[1] Rather than being the property of an individual, partnership, or corporate entity, they are held as of 2021 by 361,300 stockholders. No one is allowed to hold more than 200,000 shares,[2] which represents approximately four percent of the 5,011,558 shares currently outstanding.[3] It is this broad-based community support and non-profit structure[4] which has kept the team in Green Bay for over a century in spite of being the smallest market in all of North American major professional sports.[a]

Green Bay is the only team with this public form of ownership structure in the NFL, grandfathered when the NFL's current ownership policy stipulating a maximum of 32 owners per team, with one holding a minimum 30% stake, was established in the 1980s.[5] As a publicly held nonprofit, the Packers are also the only North American major league sports franchise to release its financial balance sheet every year.[a]



Board of directors

The Green Bay Packers Board of Directors is the organization that serves as the owner of record for the Green Bay Packers of the National Football League (NFL).

The Packers have been a publicly owned, non-profit corporation since August 18, 1923. The corporation currently has approximately 361,300 stockholders, who collectively own 5,009,400 shares of stock following the fifth stock sale in 2011. There have been six stock sales, in 1923, 1935, 1950, 1997, 2011, and 2021.[2] Shares in 1923 sold for $5 apiece (approximately $75 in 2020 dollars), while in 1997 they were sold at $200 each, $250 each in 2011, and $300 each in 2021.[3][4]

The NFL does not allow corporate ownership of clubs, requiring every club to be wholly owned by either a single owner or a small group of owners, one of whom must hold a one-third stake in the team. The Packers are granted an exemption to this rule, as they have been a publicly owned corporation since before the rule was in place.[6]

The corporation is governed by a seven-member executive committee, elected from among the board of directors. The committee directs corporate management, approves major capital expenditures, establishes board policy, and monitors performance of management in conducting the business and affairs of the corporation.[1]

The elected president, currently Mark H. Murphy, represents the corporation at NFL owners meetings and other league functions. The president is the only officer who receives compensation. The balance of the committee sits gratis.[3]

At the time of his death, Green Bay Press-Gazette publisher Michael Gage was said to be the largest shareholder of the team.[7]



Shareholder rights

Even though it is referred to as "common stock" in corporate offering documents, a share of Packers stock does not share the same rights traditionally associated with common or preferred stock. It does not include an equity interest, does not pay dividends, cannot be traded, and has no protection under securities law. It also confers no season-ticket purchasing privileges. Shareholders receive nothing more than voting rights, an invitation to the corporation's annual meeting, and an opportunity to purchase exclusive shareholder-only merchandise.[4]

Shares cannot be resold, except back to the team for a fraction of the original price. While new shares can be given as gifts, transfers are technically allowed only between immediate family members once ownership has been established.[3]



Stock sales

There have been six stock issues over the history of the Packers organization:

1923: Shares of stock were first sold to establish the club as a corporation.[2] A total of $5,000 was raised through the sale of 1,000 shares at $5 apiece. Each stockholder was required to buy six season tickets.[3] To ensure that there could never be any financial inducement for shareholders to move the club outside Green Bay, the original articles of incorporation for the Green Bay Football Corporation stipulated that in the event of the sale of the franchise, all profits from the sale be donated to the Sullivan-Wallen Post of the American Legion, earmarked for the purpose of building "a proper soldier's memorial." At the November 1997 annual meeting, shareholders voted to change the beneficiary to the Green Bay Packers Foundation, established to make donations to charities and institutions throughout Wisconsin.

1935: A second stock offering was conducted to raise $15,000 after the corporation had gone into receivership. The nonprofit Green Bay Football Corporation was then reorganized as the Green Bay Packers, Inc., the present company, with 300 shares of stock outstanding.[3]

1950: A third offering was held to prevent the team from becoming insolvent or moving out of Green Bay in the face of competition from the All-America Football Conference and founder Curly Lambeau’s departure after a 30-year reign as coach.[4] Club officers amended corporation's bylaws to permit up to 10,000 total shares of stock to be held. To ensure no individual could assume control, a limit of 200 shares per stockholder was implemented and the number of directors increased from 15 to 25. Approximately half the potential 9,700 new shares were sold, raising over $118,000 on some 4,700 $25 shares.[3]

In addition to being publicly held, the Packers organization also enjoys substantial support directly from its community. In 1956, voters of the city of Green Bay approved funding to construct a new municipally owned stadium. Like its predecessor, it was called City Stadium. On September 11, 1965, it was renamed Lambeau Field.

1997–98: The club's then-1,940 shareholders voted to create one million new shares, simultaneously giving themselves a thousand-to-one split. The net effect was to ensure that existing shareholders retained the vast majority of voting power.[4][8][9] An offering of 400,000 shares followed to raise money for Lambeau Field redevelopment. Running for 17 weeks from late 1997 to March 16, 1998, it raised over $24 million through the purchase of 120,010 shares at $200 apiece by 105,989 new shareholders.[3]

2011: To raise money for a large $143-million Lambeau Field expansion, which included approximately 6,700 new seats, new high-definition video boards, a new sound system, and two new gates, a fifth stock sale began on December 6, 2011. Demand exceeded expectations, and the original 250,000-share limit was increased by 30,000. By the offering's end on February 29, 2012, over $64 million had been raised through 250,000 buyers purchasing 269,000 shares at $250 apiece.[8] Buyers were from all 50 U.S. states, and for the first time, sales were briefly allowed in Canada, adding around 2,000 shareholders. Approximately 99% of the shares were purchased online.[3] In the summer of 2011, when the team traveled to the White House to celebrate their Super Bowl XLV victory, Charles Woodson presented President of the United States Barack Obama, a Chicago Bears fan, with a share of the team stock.[10]

2021: A sixth stock sale began on November 16, 2021, consisting of 300,000 shares to be sold at $300 apiece until February 25, 2022.[11][12][13] Proceeds of the sale were announced to be spent towards new video boards and concourse upgrades, among other projects at Lambeau Field.[14] 111,000 shares (equating to $36 million) were sold in the first two days.[14] Sale of stock was initially limited to residents of the United States (excluding residents of American Samoa and the Northern Mariana Islands); the sale was expanded to include residents of Canada after four days, with 126,000 shares having been sold prior to that point.[15]



Green Bay Packers Foundation

The team created the Green Bay Packers Foundation in December 1986. It assists in a wide variety of activities and programs benefiting education, civic affairs, health services, human services and youth-related programs.

At the team's 1997 annual stockholders meeting, the foundation was designated, in place of a Sullivan-Wallen Post soldiers memorial, as recipient of any residual assets upon the team's sale or dissolution.[3]
source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Bay_Packers,_Inc.







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Oh I'm not saying the Packers are vulnerable to relocation. Just dispelling the myth that the team is actually "owned" by the community. Sure, they own shares but those shares are essentially worthless memorabilia. If someone was to come to Green Bay and buy the team, those "shareholders" would be entitled to jack squat. Of course, that would be terrible optics but it's conceivable.

I think the whole stock thing is a bullshit way to get even more of the fans' money BUT on the flipside, it's pretty cool to have such a storied team in a tiny market. As someone earlier alluded, it will be interesting to see what happens if/when Rodgers leaves/retires and they are without a HOF QB for the first time in decades.
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If someone was to come to Green Bay and buy the team, those "shareholders" would be entitled to jack squat. Of course, that would be terrible optics but it's conceivable.
how can any one individual come to town and "buy" the team if the corporation's very own bylaws stipulate that no one individual is allowed to ever own more than 200,000 shares (~4%)?




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it will be interesting to see what happens if/when Rodgers leaves/retires and they are without a HOF QB for the first time in decades.
the packers sucked for most of the 70s/80s, yet still sold out every game and had damn near the entire state of Cheeslandia tuning into the games every sunday.

the packers have sold out every single home game since 1960, and the wait list for season tickets is currently at ~137,000 people, and only about 750 season tickets actually change hands each year.

so if you're #137,000 on the list, only 183 more years to go!!!



i know that every NFL team fanbase likes to joke that "team X football" is their city's/state's official religion.

but in Wisconsin it's actually true.



every time Rodgers sneezes, or stubs his toe, or takes a smellier than average dump, it makes front page headlines up there.
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Up until recently, I always assumed Green Bay was close to Milwaukee, and that was where the majority of game attendees came from. Like the Packers were Milwaukee's team, but the stadium happened to be in Green Bay-- similar situation to the Pats in Boston/Foxboro, Niners in SF/Santa Clara, NY Giants and Jets playing in Jersey, etc. I was very surprised to learn it was a solid 2 hours away, and its own little metro area.
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Regarding the Ram's move to LA, St. Louis just won a $790 million lawsuit over the NFL regarding their relocation. St. Louis did not want the Rams to leave and the Rams told St. Louis they would be interested in staying in town if a new stadium could be built, among other things. So a handful of regional entities spent millions of dollars planning for one. However, it came out the Rams had no intention of staying in St. Louis and had lied that they did. So St. Louis had spent millions of dollars for nothing.
This sounds very similar to how it went down in San Diego. The owner had no intentions of staying in SD, but he went through all the hoops to make it appear he did everything he could with the city and voters and was forced out.

Why did St. Louis win $790 million? If they were misled and spent millions then they should be compensated for that with interest, but they didn't spend $790 million. I'm asking because I think a lawsuit was filed against the Chargers this week.
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