YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion

[thenoflyzone]

Originally Posted by nname

Chinese carrier service into YVR as of... tonight

CA PEK-YVR Reduce to 7x weekly (from 11x) Apr to Jun 20

MU PVG-YVR Reduce to 9x weekly (from 11x) until Mar 7

CZ CAN-YVR Reduce to 4x weekly (from daily) Apr and May

CZ CAN-YVR-MEX Service terminated immediately, instead of late Mar

MF XMN-YVR Service suspension until Feb 22

JD HGH-TAO-YVR Reduce to 2x weekly (from 3x) Feb 16 to Mar 7

MU NKG-YVR Service suspension until Jun 20

3U CTU-YVR Service suspension Feb 12 to Mar 4

3U CTU-SHE-YVR No change, 1x weekly

HU SZX-YVR No change, 2x weekly (full fare only on Feb and Mar)

CX HKG-YVR-JFK No change, daily service until late March

CX HKG-YVR Reduce to 6x weekly (from 7x) on selected weeks Feb and Mar

HX HKG-YVR 4x weekly until last service Feb 10

Yeah....even the extra day in February this year won’t be enough to stop the intl numbers taking a nosedive this month. If they can keep it to single digit drop percentage, I’ll be impressed.

Originally Posted by TheGreatestX

Cathay will end YVR-JFK on Feb 18 instead of March 28

CX has asked 27,000 employees to take unpaid leave in the coming months. Not good. Last time they did that was during the 2008-9 recession.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by Bourkky

Turkish Airlines to start in June:

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/air...schedules-vancouver-launch-in-june-2020/

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Excellent news.... the long waiting game since their tiny little blurb “press release” a few month back.

3 x per week as expected on 789s.

If demand supports it, could Turkish upgrade frequencies to 4x per week or higher? Is flexibility included in Canadian air bilaterals? Thank you for any information about this.

[Alexcaban]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

If demand supports it, could Turkish upgrade frequencies to 4x per week or higher? Is flexibility included in Canadian air bilaterals? Thank you for any information about this.

I believe they are maxed at frequencies that they can add, and even if they were granted more you’d see YYZ go daily and YUL 5 weekly before they’d add more YVR.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by Alexcaban

I believe they are maxed at frequencies that they can add, and even if they were granted more you’d see YYZ go daily and YUL 5 weekly before they’d add more YVR.

Yes, your numbers seem totally appropriate. I was just wondering, -and rather doubt it - but since Turkish wanted 5 per day, does that mean that it would be justified to go higher than 3?
That is, is the passenger market in Vancouver which is 60% ~~ as big as Montreal, or ~~ 33 % the Toronto market, maybe even less demographically.
Could IST-YVR 4x / week sustain itself? Might that question there be worthy of consideration? This of course is speculative and hypothetical.

[nname]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

Yes, your numbers seem totally appropriate. I was just wondering, -and rather doubt it - but since Turkish wanted 5 per day, does that mean that it would be justified to go higher than 3?
That is, is the passenger market in Vancouver which is 60% ~~ as big as Montreal, or ~~ 33 % the Toronto market, maybe even less demographically.
Could IST-YVR 4x / week sustain itself? Might that question there be worthy of consideration? This of course is speculative and hypothetical.

They will not allowed to add any more frequency. Period.

If there are more demand than capacity, they can always swap the 789 with 77W. I don't see Canada grant TK any more frequency to any of the destinations for the next while.

[osirisboy]

Originally Posted by nname

They will not allowed to add any more frequency. Period.

If there are more demand than capacity, they can always swap the 789 with 77W. I don't see Canada grant TK any more frequency to any of the destinations for the next while.

If they wanted to couldn't they reduce frequency to Montreal and increase it to Vancouver?

[nname]

Originally Posted by osirisboy

If they wanted to couldn't they reduce frequency to Montreal and increase it to Vancouver?

They can't even do that. Frequency is fixed 6-3-3.

[Johnny Aussie]

See this as a HUGE stepping stone for YVR as it continues its global reach. 3 per week is a great start.

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by Alexcaban

I believe they are maxed at frequencies that they can add, and even if they were granted more you’d see YYZ go daily and YUL 5 weekly before they’d add more YVR.

Not necessarily as TK publicly stated they wanted 5 per week from YVR. I definitely see YYZ going daily first though.

[twoNeurons]

TK IS THE BEST news. YVR now has a low Aeroplan surcharge option to Europe!!!

Although availability is strange on TK... with tickets that randomly appear and disappear.

[thenoflyzone]

Persian community of Vancouver (around 50,000) must be happy. TK is probably the best (and most reliable) option to get to Tehran. This new flight will be filled at over 90% with people heading to Iran/India/Lebanon/Israel, etc.....

As for the updated bilateral, it's safe to say TK isn't getting additional frequency to Canada for quite a while. At 12x weekly now, that is more than enough to serve the little O&D between the two countries, and as Canada tends to negociate their bilaterals based on O&D, its easy to come to the aformentioned conclusion.

[mezzanine]

Looking forward to TK. For some time I suspect the JV between LH and AC has led to higher prices to Europe if you are flying *A.

[Johnny Aussie]

Was trying to find a comparable current route from YVR in regards to distance and I found it! YVR-IST and YVR-TPE almost the exact same distance... YVR-IST (5,973 miles) is just 2 miles longer than YVR-TPE (5,971 miles).

[twoNeurons]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Was trying to find a comparable current route from YVR in regards to distance and I found it! YVR-IST and YVR-TPE almost the exact same distance... YVR-IST (5,973 miles) is just 2 miles longer than YVR-TPE (5,971 miles).

Just wanted to know for fun... or is this to do with redeeming points?

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by twoNeurons

Just wanted to know for fun... or is this to do with redeeming points?

Just for fun really... in my head I was actually thinking "how long will this flight be?" Because it's new territory for YVR it was hard to visualise until I whipped open gcmapper. YVR-IST will be YVR's 12th longest nonstop route.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Just for fun really... in my head I was actually thinking "how long will this flight be?" Because it's new territory for YVR it was hard to visualise until I whipped open gcmapper. YVR-IST will be YVR's 12th longest nonstop route.

May I ask the longest route? Would it be YVR - MELbourne?

[TheGreatestX]

YVR-MEL will be suspended from May 1-Nov 27

[ninjakafi_81]

Originally Posted by TheGreatestX

YVR-MEL will be suspended from May 1-Nov 27

I'm quite new to the aviation stuff, but why exactly are they suspending this route for almost 7 months ? Is the demand low ?

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by twoNeurons

Just flew back on an Omni 762 from Hawaii. The outgoing YVR-OGG flight was decent. Good service, and my favored 2-3-2 setup. The return red-eye was HORRIBLE as I somehow ended up choosing row 16, which is right in front of the bathrooms and FREEEZING cold with NO recline.

Seating is tight, but if you're flying in Y, make SURE you get a recline as there is NOT much room in front of your knees.

Here's hoping we can get some CS300s (née A220s) on the YVR-Hawaii route. I'm hoping to try that plane out and really hope that it takes over some key 737 routes over time. That 2+3 seating is SO MUCH better than 3+3 (the worst ever)

I can’t see that happening. I recall being on A340 flights from HNL-YVR that we’re weight restricted due to cargo. I doubt the A220 could handle much of that.

[jollyburger]

Originally Posted by ninjakafi_81

I'm quite new to the aviation stuff, but why exactly are they suspending this route for almost 7 months ? Is the demand low ?

Seasonal service when there is higher demand.