Canadian Airport Thread - Page 410

Gurnett71 · #**8181** Posted **Sep 10, 2019, 8:16 PM**

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Originally Posted by wave46

Someone once said that if you wanted a small fortune in the airline industry, you should start an airline using a large fortune.

"If you want to be a millionaire, start with a billion dollars and launch a new airline." --Richard Branson

hollywoodcory · #**8182** Posted **Sep 10, 2019, 9:22 PM**

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Originally Posted by hollywoodcory

https://newsroom.lufthansagroup.com/engl...e/s/c1983db1-76ec-4f68-aca1-02acd9351690

LH launching YOW-FRA in May 2020. Wonder if this will replace the AC service.

Looks like AC answered my own question, also YOW-LHR is moving to a 788.
https://aircanada.mediaroom.com/2019-09-...r-Service-from-Ottawa-to-London-Heathrow

Curious if maybe AC is maybe holding off a decision on YYC-NRT to see what WS has planned for next summer.

thenoflyzone · #**8183** Posted **Sep 10, 2019, 10:25 PM**

There we go. Confimed.

AC YOW-LHR goes B788
AC YOW-FRA canceled as of this October.

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Originally Posted by wave46

Yeah, thinking and reading prior to commenting helps.

Love those quads though!

Except the A343 is not a real quad. It has hair dryers instead of engines...

YOWflier · #**8184** Posted **Sep 10, 2019, 10:47 PM**

Is it actually canceled or suspended for the season per usual? Their wording isn't clear. "Suspended" and "another option" lead one to believe it's coming back next year.

Maybe I'm reading too much into the words, but usually words matter.

thenoflyzone · #**8185** Posted **Sep 10, 2019, 10:55 PM**

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Originally Posted by ac888yow

Is it actually canceled or suspended for the season per usual? Their wording isn't clear. "Suspended" and "another option" lead one to believe it's coming back next year.

Maybe I'm reading too much into the words, but usually words matter.

Canceled, suspended......suffice it to say, it's not coming back next year.

YOWflier · #**8186** Posted **Sep 10, 2019, 11:17 PM**

If you say so, but it's not what the words say. And for the record I don't doubt that it's done and being taken over completely by LH.

jmt18325 · #**8187** Posted **Sep 10, 2019, 11:33 PM**

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Originally Posted by YYCguys

I’m a flight attendant on the Dreamliner. Normal operational procedures call for the Captain’s announcement at top of descent (30 minutes prior to scheduled landing), followed by the seatbelt sign being turned on, and then the cabin is secured for landing at 20 minutes prior to landing (unless turbulence is expected and it might be done earlier in that case). At 10 minutes before landing, cabin crew do a final walk through before taking their jumpseats. If the pilots receive word that there’s a hold on landing due to air traffic, you might circle a bit before receiving clearance to land. That’s not Westjet’s call, so if it turned out to be an hour between the seatbelt sign and landing, about half of that is out of westjet’s Control, but procedures still need to be consistent and followed.

Service was perfect on the way back, and no one made us put up our seat backs until 10 minutes out - much better.

wave46 · #**8188** Posted **Sep 11, 2019, 12:02 AM**

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

There we go. Confimed.

AC YOW-LHR goes B788
AC YOW-FRA canceled as of this October.

Except the A343 is not a real quad. It has hair dryers instead of engines...

What's the old saw about the A343? It doesn't take off, the world slowly curves away from it on the runway.

nname · #**8189** Posted **Sep 11, 2019, 1:12 AM**

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

There we go. Confimed.

AC YOW-LHR goes B788
AC YOW-FRA canceled as of this October.

I somehow missed the YOW-LHR change in the last schedule update

Current weekly requirement for 788:

14 - YVR-BNE
5 - YVR-KIX
4 - YVR-CDG
7 - YUL-BRU
5 - YYZ-BRU
7 - YOW-LHR
7 - YYZ-MXP
7 - YVR-LHR

Need exactly 8 planes... but how would it work to share 2 planes between YVR, YYZ, KIX, CDG, and BRU though? More changes are coming I presume...

thenoflyzone · #**8190** Posted **Sep 11, 2019, 10:53 AM**

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Originally Posted by wave46

What's the old saw about the A343? It doesn't take off, the world slowly curves away from it on the runway.

Yup.

In fact, as the plane is climbing out of YOW on its way to FRA, we should be able to easily spot it from the YUL control tower......nice and low.... !

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Originally Posted by nname

More changes are coming I presume...

Most likely.

YUL-BRU could easily switch to an A333 or B789.

whywhyzee · #**8191** Posted **Sep 11, 2019, 2:13 PM**

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

Yup.

In fact, as the plane is climbing out of YOW on its way to FRA, we should be able to easily spot it from the YUL control tower......nice and low.... !

Most likely.

YUL-BRU could easily switch to an A333 or B789.

YUL-BRU was just switched from an A333 to a 788, so that seems unlikely.

YVR-ZRH also is a 788, if it returns. I don't know how AC does in the route, but the loads I have seen on WK are horrendous, so I don't foresee both sticking around. Though that is just my observation.

If I had to guess, I would suggest that YYZ-MXP will be a 789, I am fairly certain it was this summer for most of the peak flying time, and goes 788 in the shoulder seasons.

hollywoodcory · #**8192** Posted **Sep 11, 2019, 2:56 PM**

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Originally Posted by whywhyzee

YUL-BRU was just switched from an A333 to a 788, so that seems unlikely.

YVR-ZRH also is a 788, if it returns. I don't know how AC does in the route, but the loads I have seen on WK are horrendous, so I don't foresee both sticking around. Though that is just my observation.

If I had to guess, I would suggest that YYZ-MXP will be a 789, I am fairly certain it was this summer for most of the peak flying time, and goes 788 in the shoulder seasons.

YVR-ZRH is planned on a 789 in S20.

Alexcaban · #**8193** Posted **Sep 11, 2019, 5:40 PM**

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Originally Posted by nname

I somehow missed the YOW-LHR change in the last schedule update

Current weekly requirement for 788:

14 - YVR-BNE
5 - YVR-KIX
4 - YVR-CDG
7 - YUL-BRU
5 - YYZ-BRU
7 - YOW-LHR
7 - YYZ-MXP
7 - YVR-LHR

Need exactly 8 planes... but how would it work to share 2 planes between YVR, YYZ, KIX, CDG, and BRU though? More changes are coming I presume...

Most likely YVR-CDG will go 789 as well to rotate with ZRH.

thenoflyzone · #**8194** Posted **Sep 11, 2019, 9:42 PM**

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

2019 Q1 international numbers

1. YYZ 7,902,076‬ (+4.2%)
2. JFK 7,341,211 (+7.3%)
3. MIA 5,870,309 (+5.5%)
4. LAX 5,857,735 (-1.6%)
5. CUN 4,715,943 (+7.2%)
6. PTY
7. MEX
8. SFO 3,277,760 (+6.1%)
9. YVR 3,211,027 (+3.3 %)
10. YUL 3,162,839 (+8.6%)
11. EWR 3,135,257 (+4.3%)
12. ORD 3,008,581
13. ATL 2,960,026 (+0.1%)

2019 Half Year international numbers

1. JFK 16,446,821 (+4.5%)
2. YYZ 16,114,002 (+~ 3.4%)
3. LAX 12,537,810 (-1.0%)
4. MIA 11,408,213 (+4.7%)
5. CUN 8,995,343
6. PTY
7. MEX 8,519,587
8. SFO 7,302,001
9. EWR 6,947,478 (+3.2%)
10. ORD 6,908,165 (+4.6%)
11. YVR 6,688,626 (+3.0%)
12. ATL 6,422,853 (+1.8%)
13. YUL 6,301,228 (+7.6%)
14. IAH 5,504,972
15. DFW 4,591,841 (+7.1%)

2019 July YTD International numbers (unless otherwise noted)

1. JFK 16,446,821 (+4.5%) (til June 2019)
2. YYZ 19,124,226 (+~3.4%)
3. LAX 15,073,699 -1.2%
4. MIA 13,466,626 (+4.4%)
5. CUN 10,480,240
6. PTY
7. MEX 10,239,458 (+3.6%)
8. SFO 7,302,001 (til June 2019)
9. EWR 6,947,478 (+3.2%) (til June 2019)
10. ORD 6,908,165 (+4.6%) (til June 2019)
11. YVR 8,062,810 (+2.4%)
12. ATL 6,422,853 (+1.8%) (til June 2019)
13. YUL 7,667,913 (+7.1%)
14. IAH 6,579,531
15. DFW 5,640,315 (+8.4%)
16. FLL 5,438,017‬

thenoflyzone · #**8195** Posted **Sep 12, 2019, 12:06 PM**

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/liberal...er-media-bus-drives-under-wing-1.5280484

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Liberal election plane damaged in Victoria after media bus drives under wing

Liberal Leader Justin Trudeau's election plane sustained some damage in Victoria after a media bus drove under one of its wings Wednesday night.

The plane had just landed in the British Columbia capital after transporting Trudeau, his team and several journalists travelling with the campaign across the country for day one of the federal election race.

A bus, used to transport journalists from the plane to the terminal, was parked close to the plane. As it departed, the bus drove under the wing of the plane, making a loud scraping sound as the top of the bus slowly dragged under the wing.

#slowclap

SignalHillHiker · #**8196** Posted **Sep 12, 2019, 12:49 PM**

People really aren't letting this go.

Petition here if you care to sign: https://www.change.org/p/reinstate-a-dir...undland-to-ireland?utm_medium=nurture_v2

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In November 2018, it was announced that the direct flight from St. John's, Newfoundland in Canada to Dublin, Ireland was cancelled. This route provides the people of Newfoundland with a direct flight to Ireland and in turn Europe, and vice-versa. It impacts tourism, business/the economy, the community and families/friends that are limited or unable to visit or see one another, not to mention the deep cultural and historical ties that bind the two islands.

Many people were very disappointed with this decision. As one supporter has said, "environmentally, financially, and culturally it’s ridiculous to fly west to go east."

The Newfoundland Ireland Direct Connection Facebook group was also set-up back in November 2018; it is the outcome of an open letter written by Kieran Cronin, Manager of the Centre for Newfoundland and Labrador Studies at Waterford Institute of Technology in Waterford, Ireland. What started off as an open letter to the people of Newfoundland and Ireland on Friday 23 November 2018 following the announcement of the cancellation of the direct St John's to Dublin route has turned into a social media movement with over 2000 active members. The group provides an open forum for people to share their stories and personal experiences.

Our singular goal is the re-establishment of a Newfoundland Ireland Direct Connection flight as we share a common belief that this is more than a route.

Fingers crossed it pushes our airport authority to do something. The St. John's-Dublin flight was WestJet's most successful route launch; they said so. A few leaks to the media have confirmed it was moved because Halifax, as part of its ongoing efforts to be an Atlantic Canadian flight hub, offered WestJet a much better deal; also, most of the traffic on the Halifax-Dublin flight still originates in St. John's. So if our airport authority would be as aggressive and smart about it as Halifax, we could get something back.

This route is really all people want. Once you're in Europe, you can get anywhere for near pocket change. And Dublin is the most appropriate connection for us - for many, it's the final destination.

q12 · #**8197** Posted **Sep 12, 2019, 1:10 PM**

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Originally Posted by SignalHillHiker

most of the traffic on the Halifax-Dublin flight still originates in St. John's.

This is doubtful. I'm kinda sick about hearing about this honestly. Westjet is a business. They will go where the money is and only fly routes that are profitable.

Maybe Provincial Airlines should buy or lease an aircraft with enough range to reach Ireland and start a Dublin-St.john's route.

Halifax has always been the largest hub airport in Atlantic Canada due to it's size and geographic location.

esquire · #**8198** Posted **Sep 12, 2019, 1:22 PM**

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Originally Posted by q12

This is doubtful. I'm kinda sick about hearing about this honestly. Westjet is a business. They will go where the money is and only fly routes that are profitable.

Maybe Provincial Airlines should buy or lease an aircraft with enough range to reach Ireland and start a Dublin-St.john's route.

Halifax has always been the largest hub airport in Atlantic Canada due to it's size and geographic location.

YYT-DUB is well within the range of a 737, so the economic and logistical barriers to establishing this route are far lower than they would be for a transatlantic route on a widebody jet. If they can't make it work with a 737, then that tells you something.

But who knows, maybe it'll come back once the 737 MAX situation is resolved? There have been a lot of routes affected due to the shortage of aircraft it has caused.

YYCguys · #**8199** Posted **Sep 12, 2019, 2:16 PM**

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Originally Posted by esquire

YYT-DUB is well within the range of a 737....If they can't make it work with a 737, then that tells you something.

I’m sure the load factors were very good, from what I’ve heard anecdotally, but it probably made more operational sense to group all of the Atlantic-Europe/UK flights together out of one common base.

SignalHillHiker · #**8200** Posted **Sep 12, 2019, 2:32 PM**

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Originally Posted by YYCguys

I’m sure the load factors were very good, from what I’ve heard anecdotally, but it probably made more operational sense to group all of the Atlantic-Europe/UK flights together out of one common base.

The flight was definitely performing well (literally their most successful route launch ever, and they've also noted demand had nothing to do with the cancellation) and still is. If what's been said in the local media here is true, then the issue is simply up to the airport authorities. St. John's was charging WestJet a lot more than Halifax offered to use its airport for the flight.

Our government, which previously was very involved in trying to solicit new flight connections, also stopped making that effort a while before the cancellation. So they're getting a bit of the public backlash.