River District (East Fraserlands) Updates

[Zepfancouver]

Parcel 15 ^

Parcel 20/21

Parcel 20/21
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The space i'm in, is the same feature you see in the adjacent tower.

[officedweller]

The Urban Design Panel have unanimously approved a new rental development in the East Fraser Lands that accommodates 337 rental units within a unique detached tower and mid-rise form.
https://twitter.com/GBLArchitects

[Feathered Friend]

^ The only proposal that went through before the flood (rather ironic, given it's in the Fraser Lands). There were a few recommendations though.

[madog222]

As of today, June 28, my picture.

[osirisboy]

Are there plans for the public storage space?

[osirisboy]

Originally Posted by officedweller

The Urban Design Panel have unanimously approved a new rental development in the East Fraser Lands that accommodates 337 rental units within a unique detached tower and mid-rise form.
https://twitter.com/GBLArchitects

Sorry, where exactly is this going?

[officedweller]

The tweet did not have an address.

[Vin]

Most likely at Sawmill Crescent by Marine due to the curvature of the road shown on the rendering. Good height and good looking structure I have to say.

[SFUVancouver]

Thanks for the aerial view of the whole River District.

It still amazes me that this much development is occurring in advance of any rapid transit planning, let alone an approved project.

[Feathered Friend]

Originally Posted by Vin

Most likely at Sawmill Crescent by Marine due to the curvature of the road shown on the rendering. Good height and good looking structure I have to say.

Good eye! Vin get's it right, this project is at 3338 Sawmill Crescent.

https://development.vancouver.ca/3338sawmill/index.htm

[rofina]

Originally Posted by SFUVancouver

Thanks for the aerial view of the whole River District.

It still amazes me that this much development is occurring in advance of any rapid transit planning, let alone an approved project.

Right?

This thing is going to be cut off except for cars for decades.

Odd place for a new town centre, particularly taken into account how busy Marine and Boundary already are.

[Sheba]

Originally Posted by rofina

Right?

This thing is going to be cut off except for cars for decades.

Odd place for a new town centre, particularly taken into account how busy Marine and Boundary already are.

This isn't a farm out beyond the Fraser Valley - it's just south of Marine Dr (which has an FTN bus route). Plus there's already a Save-On, Starbucks, a couple banks and a couple other retail spots already open. We can hardly expect a Skytrain station everywhere.

[VancouverOfTheFuture]

are they putting in office towers here? if they are doing that, with the shopping this could be one of those places where you don't need to leave...

[Sheba]

Originally Posted by VancouverOfTheFuture

are they putting in office towers here? if they are doing that, with the shopping this could be one of those places where you don't need to leave...

From their 2016 pdf:

• 18,000 residents
• 10,432 households
• 7.2 million sq.ft.
• 2 schools, 2 out of school child care centres (140 spaces)
• 4 daycare centres (256 spaces)
• Community centre
• 25 acres of green space
• 1.5 kilometres of riverfront access

The mixed use I see on their maps is ground floor retail with residential above. There isn't a single mention of 'office'.

[VancouverOfTheFuture]

Originally Posted by Sheba

From their 2016 pdf:

• 18,000 residents
• 10,432 households
• 7.2 million sq.ft.
• 2 schools, 2 out of school child care centres (140 spaces)
• 4 daycare centres (256 spaces)
• Community centre
• 25 acres of green space
• 1.5 kilometres of riverfront access

The mixed use I see on their maps is ground floor retail with residential above. There isn't a single mention of 'office'.

thanks for that, but that is a shame. if they had done office they could get away with creating a "self contained" kind of area. work/live/play kind of thing. though it could be a tough sell to get businesses to go there being so far from things as well.

does seem like an odd development area; on a flood plain, far from transit, far away from everything. one day i guess a street-car would connect it to the Arbutus Corridor. but 30yrs is a longggg time.

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by VancouverOfTheFuture

thanks for that, but that is a shame. if they had done office they could get away with creating a "self contained" kind of area. work/live/play kind of thing. though it could be a tough sell to get businesses to go there being so far from things as well.

does seem like an odd development area; on a flood plain, far from transit, far away from everything. one day i guess a street-car would connect it to the Arbutus Corridor. but 30yrs is a longggg time.

The Big Bend employment area is close - much closer than most of Burnaby's high density residential centres, so if work/home proximity is a factor in anyone's location choice, there are at least a few thousand jobs in research and offices that can be accessed by walking or on a bike, or a short drive. There's also the power centre and big box retail concentration at Byrne Road, with a lot of jobs too. Perhaps the transit will be improved or new routes considered once the population gets up into the thousands - there's a lot more construction to get to that level of buildout.

[Sheba]

Originally Posted by VancouverOfTheFuture

thanks for that, but that is a shame. if they had done office they could get away with creating a "self contained" kind of area. work/live/play kind of thing. though it could be a tough sell to get businesses to go there being so far from things as well.

does seem like an odd development area; on a flood plain, far from transit, far away from everything. one day i guess a street-car would connect it to the Arbutus Corridor. but 30yrs is a longggg time.

Ninja'd on Big Bend

Also I just checked on google maps and Kerr (the other side of this development) from Marine almost down to the water is only 280m - it's really not that far from transit. Really all that's needed is a north - south route to connect from Marine to the Skytrain.

[Feathered Friend]

River District Landmark Meets With A Flood Of Support At The Urban Design Panel

3338 Sawmill Crescent – DP-2019-00363 – (EFL parcel 13) (formerly 3310 Marine Way)
Sometimes one can only appreciate life’s little ironies after they happen. That was certainly demonstrated by this Urban Design Panel review of a fairly typical development in the East Fraser Lands. After all, 28 floors of rental housing may not reflect the average Vancouver building, but this future skyline landmark fits the context of our city’s newest neighbourhood perfectly.

Like the Olympic Village, this area was once a hotbed of industrial activity, in this case the Canadian White Pine Sawmill. Two years after it closed, this site was purchased for development, and a planning process for a neighbourhood with parks, schools, retail stores, and a community centre began. It even has its own unique view cone to provide a view of Mount Baker from Everett Crowley Park, the former location of Vancouver’s main garbage dump.

This distant corner of Vancouver will eventually house about 12,000 people, roughly 1.35 times more than Shaughnessy where city council recently rejected allowing 21 rental townhomes. That central area may be slow to change, but the rest of our city isn’t. As such, the chair noted the long agenda, and asked for only brief comments. Which wasn’t hard as the panel clearly supported this proposal, describing it as a needed development and applauding the large amount of family sized homes.

https://cityduo.wordpress.com/2019/07/04...od-of-support-at-the-urban-design-panel/

[Zepfancouver]

Working Parcel 15 - Penthouse 18th floor. Tower Crane with swag. No wind, lifting buckets of dirt to courtyard planters.
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[zahav]

I have taken transit to walk around and explore this site, and it isn't bad. I think the #100 will increase frequency even more, maybe even a double bus. It is very handy, it gets to either the Canada Line or 22nd St. in no time. And there are stops all along Marine, very close to all developments in this area.

A couple other things to keep in mind. This was one of the only pieces of vacant land in the City, I am glad they are pushing density here and keeping it residential and retail. The new Moda building has a share work space in it, kind of like a WeWork or Spaces. So they are targetting younger techy, maybe own your own business type of people. And I don't think offices are needed in this area nearly as much as additional housing. As people mentioned, Big Ben is close, and all nodes along Marine are easily accessible.

Also don't forget the part of Fraserlands west of Kerr was fully residential and this just a continuation of the same kind of thing, just more dense and not so early 90s architecture :p