[Burnaby] Gilmore Place | 214.8m | 64fl | Phase 1 Completed

[logan5]

Lougheed Highway is horrible, but Brentwood has a good street grid to work with compared to Metrotown. Because of the elevated Skytrain line, Beresford will have a retail row on only one side of the street for the foreseeable future, and that doesn't work well. And the massive mall creates a huge crater right in the middle. I'm sure metrotown will still do well though, but Brentwood will do just as well, if not better.

[Spr0ckets]

Originally Posted by Lexus

There are currently 15 cranes in Brentwood. More cranes will pop up once Gilmore project starts. Also some towers have already dismantled cranes but not yet finished. From my personal observation Brentwood is developing fasten then Metrotown.

It has a long way to catch up, though.
Besides which, it's never typically an accurate way to tell how fast an area is developing on the basis of the number of cranes you see.
That just indicates the stages at which the various projects are at, rather than any notion that the area writ large is undergoing a massive redevelopment drive.

As it stands there are currently 10 cranes in the Metrotown area in current under construction projects with another 4 to come once Tower #2 of Sun Towers starts construction and also once the pits of the Highline and Polaris projects are complete and they too start construction on their respective lots, which would bring the total number of cranes in Metrotown to 14 or 15 as well (depending on whether Highline constructs both towers at the same time or not). That doesn't tell me anything about whether Metrotown is developing as fast or faster than Brentwood.
Just that there's a lot of construction going on there as well.

If you look at the City of Burnaby's Development application page, you see that there are something like upwards of 20 tower projects applying for rezoning/development permits for the Metrotown area specifically the area south of Beresford (obviously) the Patterson skytrain station area, and obviously the Concord Sears megaproject at the north side of the mall.
Most of those will take some time before they get to actually start construction and you see cranes being erected and most of them will also be staggered and likely not happen all at once or at the same time like is happening in Brentwood.

Brentwood has more developable land lots and less resistance to development projects, since most of it is occurring on formerly industrial lots while at Metrotown you have the whole kerfuffel with the "demovictions" outrage and the ensuing backlash that slowed down (but have not stopped) redevelopment.

[Lexus]

Originally Posted by Spr0ckets

It has a long way to catch up, though.
Besides which, it's never typically an accurate way to tell how fast an area is developing on the basis of the number of cranes you see.
That just indicates the stages at which the various projects are at, rather than any notion that the area writ large is undergoing a massive redevelopment drive.

As it stands there are currently 10 cranes in the Metrotown area in current under construction projects with another 4 to come once Tower #2 of Sun Towers starts construction and also once the pits of the Highline and Polaris projects are complete and they too start construction on their respective lots, which would bring the total number of cranes in Metrotown to 14 or 15 as well (depending on whether Highline constructs both towers at the same time or not). That doesn't tell me anything about whether Metrotown is developing as fast or faster than Brentwood.
Just that there's a lot of construction going on there as well.

If you look at the City of Burnaby's Development application page, you see that there are something like upwards of 20 tower projects applying for rezoning/development permits for the Metrotown area specifically the area south of Beresford (obviously) the Patterson skytrain station area, and obviously the Concord Sears megaproject at the north side of the mall.
Most of those will take some time before they get to actually start construction and you see cranes being erected and most of them will also be staggered and likely not happen all at once or at the same time like is happening in Brentwood.

Brentwood has more developable land lots and less resistance to development projects, since most of it is occurring on formerly industrial lots while at Metrotown you have the whole kerfuffel with the "demovictions" outrage and the ensuing backlash that slowed down (but have not stopped) redevelopment.

Good to know. Thanks

[SpongeG]

why did it take so long for metrotown to redevelop? was it under restrictions or zoning and they got changed or developers were just not interested?

[e-clam9]

Originally Posted by owenhujb

https://www.vancourier.com/real-estate/t...begin-construction-in-burnaby-1.23801220

I imagine that, when completed, going along the skytrain here at Gilmore Station will feel very similar to Metrotown Station with the many towers along Beresford.

The photo makes me wonder. Who want to sit under a skytrain track ? It is so noisy. I also don't park my car under the track after my windshield was hit by a small rock when I was passing a running train below it.

BC has many shopping malls. I checked the mall ranking in BC based on size. They all serve their area very well. The bigger the better
1. Metro town 1,795,326 square feet
2. Park Royal 1,501,405 square feet
3. Guildford mall 1,203,584
4. Tsawwassen Mills 1,200,000

[owenhujb]

Originally Posted by e-clam9

The photo makes me wonder. Who want to sit under a skytrain track ? It is so noisy. I also don't park my car under the track after my windshield was hit by a small rock when I was passing a running train below it.

Yes, that’s what I was thinking! Every time I go by a sky train line or by one of the stations, that loud roar is especially disturbing once every few minutes. At least the residents will have really convenient access to a station, albeit at the cost of annoying sounds every once in a while.

I haven’t had experience with this, but how much does the sound diminish the higher up you go?

[Spr0ckets]

Originally Posted by SpongeG

why did it take so long for metrotown to redevelop? was it under restrictions or zoning and they got changed or developers were just not interested?

I think it had more to do with landowners unwilling to sell their lots to developers for redevelopment more than anything - believing for the longest time (correctly) that they were sitting on gold mines with the GVA's runaway real estate market and overheating land prices.

A lot of them are cashing in now and selling - at obviously ridiculous prices.
To wit: the two lots neighbouring and sandwiched between Moda and Highline on Beresford were eventually sold for a combined $100 Million(at separate times, but to the same developer).
Just think about that.

For the longest time the owner of one of those lowrises and the lot it sits on had vowed he would never sell, but then what do you do when a developer comes to you with an offer of nearly $60 Million for a lot of land that realistically probably isn't worth one third of that? How long do you hold out or keep holding out?

With Brentwood it's been more straight-forward since the City has been pushing to trying to push Industrial properties out of the area in a concerted effort to have more residential development.
So selling your lot there is more of a no-brainer and with developers not having to deal with any politically charged headaches there (ala "demovictions" and lowrise/affordable housing replacement in Metrotown), you can see why they would be more willing and apt to develop there than Metrotown.

[SpongeG]

Originally Posted by owenhujb

Yes, that’s what I was thinking! Every time I go by a sky train line or by one of the stations, that loud roar is especially disturbing once every few minutes. At least the residents will have really convenient access to a station, albeit at the cost of annoying sounds every once in a while.

I haven’t had experience with this, but how much does the sound diminish the higher up you go?

a friend lived on the 20 something floor on a building at Joyce station on Vaness and he said it was loud from the first train to the last train, you just have to keep your windows closed but they had central a/c.

[SpongeG]

Originally Posted by Spr0ckets

I think it had more to do with landowners unwilling to sell their lots to developers for redevelopment more than anything - believing for the longest time (correctly) that they were sitting on gold mines with the GVA's runaway real estate market and overheating land prices.

A lot of them are cashing in now and selling - at obviously ridiculous prices.
To wit: the two lots neighbouring and sandwiched between Moda and Highline on Beresford were eventually sold for a combined $100 Million(at separate times, but to the same developer).
Just think about that.

For the longest time the owner of one of those lowrises and the lot it sits on had vowed he would never sell, but then what do you do when a developer comes to you with an offer of nearly $60 Million for a lot of land that realistically probably isn't worth one third of that? How long do you hold out or keep holding out?

With Brentwood it's been more straight-forward since the City has been pushing to trying to push Industrial properties out of the area in a concerted effort to have more residential development.
So selling your lot there is more of a no-brainer and with developers not having to deal with any politically charged headaches there (ala "demovictions" and lowrise/affordable housing replacement in Metrotown), you can see why they would be more willing and apt to develop there than Metrotown.

yeah I can understand, just strange how its all happened at the same time for that area basically

[officedweller]

Originally Posted by owenhujb

I haven’t had experience with this, but how much does the sound diminish the higher up you go?

I think it would just become background noise over time.
Noise travels upwards.
Even on the 26th floor in Yaletown, you can hear people talking/yelling on the street.
On the 25th floor at the TD Tower (albeit with single pane glass), anything at Robson Square just reverberates through the office.

[Klazu]

You have to be living 200 meters in the sky before I would imagine individual noises starting to unnoticeable. Having lived on 45th floor in Downtown and 46th floor next to an above-the-ground Skytrain station, you can clearly hear car and train noises. You don't hear people at those height anymore.

Eventually one does get used those noises and you don't notice it anymore, but it is certainly there when you listen. At least ~130 meters up in the air, as our previous places have been.

[fredinno]

Originally Posted by Lexus

There are currently 15 cranes in Brentwood. More cranes will pop up once Gilmore project starts. Also some towers have already dismantled cranes but not yet finished. From my personal observation Brentwood is developing fasten then Metrotown.

Could also because of the initial 'rush' by investors to get 'in' on a new community to ride the eventual long-term RE price increases. Metrotown is more established, and can't benefit from that. Also, industrial land redevelopment, as mentioned before, is always less of a hassle.

[logan5]

Was there any official height given for Two Gilmore Place? Local media are covering Gilmore place today.

Two Gilmore Place, at the corner of Gilmore Avenue and Lougheed Highway, at least 214 metres when built, would be taller than Vancouver’s two tallest buildings: Living Shangri-La (200.9 m and 59 storeys) and the Trump International Hotel and Tower (187.8 m and 63 storeys). Burnaby’s planning department confirmed the height (a slightly higher 215.8 m than skyscrapercentre.com’s listing) for the building.

https://vancouversun.com/news/local-news...al-tower-that-will-be-the-tallest-in-b-c

Is this the tallest confirmed in Metro so far? Just realized we've broken the 700' barrier!

[EastVanMark]

Originally Posted by logan5

Was there any official height given for Two Gilmore Place? Local media are covering Gilmore place today.



https://vancouversun.com/news/local-news...al-tower-that-will-be-the-tallest-in-b-c

Is this the tallest confirmed in Metro so far? Just realized we've broken the 700' barrier!

So the regions' tallest building will be located in a suburb. Can't think of another North American city where this is the case. Another low level "achieved" by COV.

But I guess it goes well with how we're the only major city that doesn't have true ridesharing yet either...

Maybe we're too busy funding letters to Santa or coming up with mascots for poo and pee. Seriously, is this city run by 4 year olds?

Can't wait for the latest spin from 12th and Cambie

On the flipside, will be interesting to see how the retail component of this development shapes up with a flexible Skytrain Station design attached to it.

[Vin]

Tallest building in BC will be in Burnaby. Yay!


Another article in Dailyhive, with pictures:

Metro Vancouver's tallest tower will transform Gilmore Station (RENDERINGS)
https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/gilmore-station-burnaby-2018-design


See what Burnaby can achieve with no constant stiff zoning restrictions, viewcones, shadowing and "dome" shape policies to restrict developments? Yeah, they will get the tallest in this province that will forever change the landscape of the suburbs to look even more urban than Vancouver. Let newer projects outdo this one here.

[logan5]

You have some weird ideas Vin. Mount Pleasant is infinitely more urban than Brentwood, and Mt. Pleasant has no towers over 20 stories, and very few towers to begin with.

I will say this though. Tall towers make for a more interesting cityscape. At some point in the not too distant future, Brentwood and Metrotown may look as impressive (skyline wise) as DT Vancouver, given the the taller buildings, but once you're right in the city itself, you're going to disappointed.

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Burnaby is getting closer and closer to having the "tallest building outside of Toronto" title. Per sq foot values are much higher in Burnaby than they are in Edmonton or Calgary. And status and prestige mean a lot to the buyers in Burnaby, so I think it will happen fairly soon.

[GilmoreStation]

this project will change the Gilmore area forever

[LeftCoaster]

Are you a bot?

[excel]

Originally Posted by GilmoreStation

this project will change the Gilmore area forever

Quality post.

[Vin]

Originally Posted by logan5

You have some weird ideas Vin. Mount Pleasant is infinitely more urban than Brentwood, and Mt. Pleasant has no towers over 20 stories, and very few towers to begin with.

I will say this though. Tall towers make for a more interesting cityscape. At some point in the not too distant future, Brentwood and Metrotown may look as impressive (skyline wise) as DT Vancouver, given the the taller buildings, but once you're right in the city itself, you're going to disappointed.

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Burnaby is getting closer and closer to having the "tallest building outside of Toronto" title. Per sq foot values are much higher in Burnaby than they are in Edmonton or Calgary. And status and prestige mean a lot to the buyers in Burnaby, so I think it will happen fairly soon.

Mt Pleasant only seems urban because of a century of build-up and proximity to downtown Vancouver. But it is heading in a very slow direction towards being more urban. Most of the buildings along Main and Kingsway are still wood-shacks. City policies and nimbiyism are also not helping in enticing developers to come in droves to build around here. In fact, many of the newer buildings are not at all impressive, and can be described as suburban. Small commercial buildings line the streets with suburban SFHs sitting right behind them. This is kinda sad as the area has so much potential being so close to downtown Vancouver but there had been many wasted opportunities.

Quite a few of the suburb town centres are only developed merely a couple of decades ago, and I do agree that they are still not on par with some of the Vancouver neighbourhoods on street level at the moment, but at the current rate they will definitely outstrip Mt Pleasant in urbanity.

Metrotown and Brentwood, as well as Coquitlam centre and Surrey Town Centre, are starting to develop cross streets of retail, commercial and residential buildings to create a more downtown-like node. The Station Square and Sears land development are good examples. Brentwood mall, Solo District and subsequent developments away from the major roads like Willingdon and Lougheed highway will also make that area feel more urban than it is now. The latest Gilmore development will only add to the footprint of this urbanity.