YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion

[CareerShow]

Anyone have an update with regards to AC's LHR slot the second daily YVR flight used last year?

[jmt18325]

It's going to YWG.

Just kidding.

[nname]

Two round-trips only

Canadian carrier Air North in the first quarter of 2017 plans to operate charter flights to Reno, currently available for reservation on the airline’s website. The airline plans to operate Boeing 737 aircraft on Vancouver – Reno/Tahoe route with following date and schedule.

4N3011 YVR1200 – 1350RNO 737 19JAN17 / 23FEB17
4N3012 RNO1700 – 1900YVR 737 22JAN17 / 26FEB17

http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airl...hedules-vancouver-reno-charters-in-1q17/

[teriyaki]

Originally Posted by nname

Two round-trips only


http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airl...hedules-vancouver-reno-charters-in-1q17/

Very interesting route. Personally, Reno has completely fallen off the radar in any type of vacation context in the last decade.

[casper]

Originally Posted by teriyaki

Very interesting route. Personally, Reno has completely fallen off the radar in any type of vacation context in the last decade.

In comparison to what it use to be with CP Air:
https://youtu.be/x72sOlbmD7k

The Reno Machine Come to think of it, it may be same model of aircraft still serving that route.

[connect2source]

Originally Posted by casper

In comparison to what it use to be with CP Air:
https://youtu.be/x72sOlbmD7k

The Reno Machine Come to think of it, it may be same model of aircraft still serving that route.

LOVE IT!!! Incredible to think that they could fill a DC-10 to Reno!!! ...coupled with steak on a 2 hour flight!

[LeftCoaster]

Originally Posted by CareerShow

What happened to the 14 weekly schedule Air China had last year?

I'm a bit confused about that too. Is this route dropping from 14-9 or from 10 to 9.

I'm still showing it as 14 in my chart for the time being until we get some more clarity. If it is still saying at 14 but with all 77W that would be a nice change .

Originally Posted by nname

China Airlines will run their last B744 to YVR on July 31st, and A359 service will commence in August according to airlineroute.

Interestingly it was exact same date as BR's original plan to phase out the 744 (which had since been moved forward to late-June)

Hope they still plan to go 11x per week in the summer. Would be shocked if they didn't as that would put the frequencies up for BRs grabs I would assume.

Originally Posted by mezzanine

It looks like expansion plans for YVR will be revealed at a board of trade lunch on Jan 18...

https://www.boardoftrade.com/events/individual-events/837-60

I saw the plans for the D pier a couple weeks ago, they look great! Definitely a continuation of the distinctive high quality design they have through D pier already.

[LeftCoaster]

Originally Posted by nname

Two round-trips only


http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airl...hedules-vancouver-reno-charters-in-1q17/

A rather silly gesture from Air North, seemingly to make use of under-utilized aircraft during the winter.

Would still like to see Reno get some Dash-8 service from AC though. The O&D is low but non non-existent and could be seasonal making it more possible.

[nname]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

Would still like to see Reno get some Dash-8 service from AC though. The O&D is low but non non-existent and could be seasonal making it more possible.

Maybe more people will consider it as a vacation destination when there are direct flights available.


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And according to this article, seems like CX is considering HKG-YVR-MIA

Representatives of Miami International Airport recently met with Hainan Airlines about a possible new nonstop flight, according to a source.

At the September meeting, Hainan officials said that Miami was a top route that they were considering, and that they would be studying the possibility of adding it.

Concerns of the airline include obtaining route authority from Chinese officials, potential payload penalties due to the length of the route, and the lack of a codeshare with American Airlines, MIA’s dominant carrier.

At the same time, MIA is also quietly working with other Asian carriers, including Hainan rival Cathay Pacific. The company wants a Hong Kong-Canada air bilateral amended so that the airline can add a Hong Kong-Vancouver-Miami route.

http://www.thenextmiami.com/hainan-airlines-studying-possibility-adding-flights-china-miami/


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CAN-YVR-MEX will start in May

The planned new air route linking Guangzhou and Mexico City is anticipated to enhance trade and travel between South China and the Latin American country.

China Southern Airlines plans to launch the Guangzhou-Vancouver-Mexico City route in May, flying Boeing 787 Dreamliners three times a week, said the Guangzhou-based carrier.

[...]

http://www.chinaaviationdaily.com/news/59/59579.html

[POCO]

I would hop on that Cathay YVR - MIA leg in a heartbeat. But I wonder if they would just codeshare a new AC non-stop.

[nname]

Originally Posted by POCO

I would hop on that Cathay YVR - MIA leg in a heartbeat. But I wonder if they would just codeshare a new AC non-stop.

But AC may want you to take their YYZ-MIA route instead so they can be the market leader in that route (currently AA have more seats in the market)

If CX runs it, it would have all the premium traffic going toward HKG... if AC runs it, I don't see it would be anything other than a (seasonal) Rouge route with low-yield vacation traffic...

[LeftCoaster]

Of all the MIA-Asia route fanatasies bounced around on A.net this one makes the most sense to me.

Links MIA into both a strong existing route (HKG-YVR) and fills a big gap in a route that would fly today if it weren't too long for most narrowbodies (YVR-MIA).

I wonder what kinds of hoops they would have to jump through to sell tickets on the YVR-MIA run, since they already have permission to do it on the YVR-JFK run.

[sacrifice333]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

Would still like to see Reno get some Dash-8 service from AC though. The O&D is low but non non-existent and could be seasonal making it more possible.

Reno, or rather "Tahoe-Reno", will make a viable winter seasonal next year with the Whistler inclusion in the Vail Epic Pass. Their Epic seasons pass gives access to all their resorts including three Tahoe resorts -- Northstar, Kirkwood, and Heavenly.

[LeftCoaster]

Didn't even think about that, very good point.

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

Of all the MIA-Asia route fanatasies bounced around on A.net this one makes the most sense to me.

Links MIA into both a strong existing route (HKG-YVR) and fills a big gap in a route that would fly today if it weren't too long for most narrowbodies (YVR-MIA).

I wonder what kinds of hoops they would have to jump through to sell tickets on the YVR-MIA run, since they already have permission to do it on the YVR-JFK run.

This is something that's been in the works for awhile... CX has been looking at MEX as well with (you guessed it) YVR as a possible stopover/transit point.

I love how articles indicate companies are working "quietly" on agreements... only to blast it out in public....

[nname]

Just noticed the YVR flight departure/arrival page now list flights operating out of south terminal. Seems like it only have info for Pacific Coastal and WestJet flights operating in and out of gate G1 and G3 so far... (how many gates are there??)

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

This is something that's been in the works for awhile... CX has been looking at MEX as well with (you guessed it) YVR as a possible stopover/transit point.

Maybe CX wants to make YVR a focus city

[thenoflyzone]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

if it weren't too long for most narrowbodies (YVR-MIA).

YVR-MIA is a perfect route for the 737 MAX 8. I would expect AC to start that route sometime in 2018, if it is indeed the largest unserved Canada-U.S. market.

Mind you, the A319 can currently do YVR-MIA non stop, even with the winter headwinds on the way back. So AC doesnt seem to think it is worth it just yet.

[mezzanine]

Originally Posted by nname

Maybe CX wants to make YVR a focus city

I'd like to see that happen. CX did open up a new marco polo lounge in 2016 at YVR and they have a lot of experience with their USA fifth freedom flight to JFK. They have more flights to YVR coming online in the spring as well. CX is under pressure now but maybe this might provide a higher-yielding niche than duking it out with PRC carriers and asian LCCs.

[casper]

Originally Posted by mezzanine

I'd like to see that happen. CX did open up a new marco polo lounge in 2016 at YVR and they have a lot of experience with their USA fifth freedom flight to JFK. They have more flights to YVR coming online in the spring as well. CX is under pressure now but maybe this might provide a higher-yielding niche than duking it out with PRC carriers and asian LCCs.

It was mentioned some time back the the JFK flight benefited substantially from cargo traffic. Not certain how important that is on that route. MIA might also have similar dynamics....

[teriyaki]

Originally Posted by mezzanine

I'd like to see that happen. CX did open up a new marco polo lounge in 2016 at YVR and they have a lot of experience with their USA fifth freedom flight to JFK. They have more flights to YVR coming online in the spring as well. CX is under pressure now but maybe this might provide a higher-yielding niche than duking it out with PRC carriers and asian LCCs.

Not sure where I remember seeing this, but I heard Hong Kong based carriers cap out at 7x flights running fifth-freedom. Considering that YVR-JFK is daily run. This puts CX at the top of that bilateral.