Millennium Line - Evergreen Extension | Completed

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by nickbeaulieu

I think it's weird that they've labeled the evergreen stations with "evergreen extension". If the millennium line doesn't branch off, like the expo line will, then that means it's just one single line... so why label the new stations as being the evergreen extension? Just seems needlessly complicated.

Because those stations are an extension of the Millennium line.

[nickbeaulieu]

Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

Because those stations are an extension of the Millennium line.

Yes, I know that. But all the stations in Surrey are an extension of the original Expo line, but you don't see them calling them "surrey extension" or whatever.

[logicbomb]

It's incredible how complex they've made it.

The most sensible and logical thing would have been:

Expo Line: Waterfront <-> King George
Millennium Line: Waterfront <-> Production Way/Lougheed
Evergreen Line: Commercial-Broadway <-> Douglas Station

Instead we end up with such a stupid scenario where we'll have the Expo Line branching into two separate lines and the Millennium Line being confused with the "Evergreen extension."

**** you Translink.

[officedweller]

Originally Posted by nickbeaulieu

I think it's weird that they've labeled the evergreen stations with "evergreen extension". If the millennium line doesn't branch off, like the expo line will, then that means it's just one single line... so why label the new stations as being the evergreen extension? Just seems needlessly complicated.

Because "extension" means "additional".
i.e. those stations were added later.

It's an accurate description.

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Note that the "Coming Soon" looks like it'll have the 2 colour line.

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by nickbeaulieu

Yes, I know that. But all the stations in Surrey are an extension of the original Expo line, but you don't see them calling them "surrey extension" or whatever.

The extension will not be known as anything but the Millennium line. They are just using it for construction purposes. Just like when Millennium line gets extended west they will call the extension the Broadway Extension, but once built, it will just be the Millennium line, once again.

[Jebby]

Originally Posted by logicbomb

It's incredible how complex they've made it.

The most sensible and logical thing would have been:

Expo Line: Waterfront <-> King George
Millennium Line: Waterfront <-> Production Way/Lougheed
Evergreen Line: Commercial-Broadway <-> Douglas Station

Instead we end up with such a stupid scenario where we'll have the Expo Line branching into two separate lines and the Millennium Line being confused with the "Evergreen extension."

**** you Translink.

Seriously? A split line isn't exactly complicated. The Canada Line does it.

In fact, I'd say it's a lot easier to understand than interlining.

[logicbomb]

Originally Posted by Jebby

Seriously? A split line isn't exactly complicated. The Canada Line does it.

In fact, I'd say it's a lot easier to understand than interlining.

Keep in mind, I do believe it would be more tolerable if they update the PA system and destination signs at stations.

[jsbertram]

Originally Posted by nickbeaulieu

I think it's weird that they've labeled the evergreen stations with "evergreen extension". If the millennium line doesn't branch off, like the expo line will, then that means it's just one single line... so why label the new stations as being the evergreen extension? Just seems needlessly complicated.

The only reason "Evergreen" is used is because it was a trendy name when this was planned to be an LRT line from Lougheed to PoCo. Skytrain was used instead, but regrettably the name Evergreen was kept - causing un-necessary confusion with people still calling it the "Evergreen line" as if it was a stand-alone system like the Canada line (and like the Evergreen LRT would have been).

If Surrey builds their LRT, it will be an independent line - separate from the Expo line, but they will meet at Surrey Central. Or they will build the "Langley extension" of the Expo Line. Or they will do both an Expo extension and a new LRT line.

In a few years there will be a "Broadway Extension" or an "Arbutus Extension" of the Millennium line.

and the "UBC extension" of the Millennium line

and a "Maple Ridge extension" of the Millennium line. This may result in the new names such as "Lafarge Lake branch" and "Maple Ridge branch" for the Millennium line.


Regardless, they will remain Expo Line and Millennium line after they have been extended.

[nickbeaulieu]

Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

The extension will not be known as anything but the Millennium line. They are just using it for construction purposes. Just like when Millennium line gets extended west they will call the extension the Broadway Extension, but once built, it will just be the Millennium line, once again.

The signage in the station at lafarge late on the platform clearly show the words "Evergreen extension" underneath the millennium line. So I don't think what you're saying is accurate.

[officedweller]

The main name change over the historical name "Millennium Line" is for the segment from Lougheed to Columbia.

Here's a pic of an original brochure (CD case) showing the original Millennium Line.
... even before the Expo Line became called the Expo Line!
I'll take the "Existing Line"!


Pic by me.

[VancouverOfTheFuture]

Originally Posted by nickbeaulieu

The signage in the station at lafarge late on the platform clearly show the words "Evergreen extension" underneath the millennium line. So I don't think what you're saying is accurate.

now, are those removable stickers that they will remove after a few months or a year? just there temporarily until people are used to it?

[nickbeaulieu]

Originally Posted by VancouverOfTheFuture

now, are those removable stickers that they will remove after a few months or a year? just there temporarily until people are used to it?

They look pretty permanent, but I'm only able to see it from the sidewalk so who knows.

[Express691]

The URL on the leaked Evergreen extension pamphlets is now working.

http://www.translink.ca/skytrainchanges

[Olden Retreiver]

Originally Posted by Express691

To my knowledge, there isn't any funds yet to have the coquitlam-Guildford express running just yet.

ALSO: when translink is also set to implement the 95 B-line for post-Evergreen line integration.

Heres what I know so far:

Taken from CPTDB:

5 - extends to Cambie at Pender

6 - extends to Yaletown via Davie, Cambie to Pender

23 [Beach / Main Street Stn]
merged C21 and C23

95 [Burrard Stn / SFU B-Line]
convert from 135; local service replaced by 144/160
extends 5min peak frequency
stops: Granville, Cambie, Main, Commercial, Nanaimo, Renfrew, Kootenay Loop, Gilmore, Willingdon, Hythe, Holdom, Kensington, Duthie, SFU TC, SFU Exchange

97 - discontinued

135 - convert to 95 B-Line

143 [SFU / Burquitlam Stn]
shortened to Burquitlam
every 7.5min peak; 15min off-peak till 10pm

151 [Burquitlam Stn / Port Coquitlam Stn]
from Burquitlam, follows Como Lake to Linton, then original route, then extend to Poco
Foster/Cottonwood section replaced by 157
every 30min, early morning from 4:45am; late night to 2:30am

152 - one additional am trip

153 [Braid Stn / Coquitlam Central Stn]
extend to Coq Stn via Foster, Linton, Como Lake, Mariner
improve to every 20min at peak (from 30)

156 - late night service extends by 30min

157 [Burquitlam Stn / Lougheed Stn]
extend to Burquitlam Stn via Foster, Cottonwood, Clarke
evening service improve to every 30min (from 60), evening service extend to 11:40pm

159 - reduce to 1 trip via Meridian industrial

160 [Kootenay Loop / Port Coquitlam Stn]
shortened to Kootenay Loop; all trip via Moody Centre and Guildford; local stops on Hastings
peak, mid-day, evening service improve to every 15min (from 20/30/30)
early morning starts earlier at 4:30am; last trip arrive at Poco 2:40am

169 [Braid Stn / Coquitlam Central Stn]
all trip via Riverview
reduce to every 30min throughout the day (from 12/15), 60min from 11pm (instead of 9pm)

170 [Port Coquitlam South / Port Coquitlam Stn]
renumbered from C36

171 [Fremont / Coquitlam Central Stn]
via Lougheed, Sherling, Fremont to Dominion; return as 172
every 30min daytime; 60min evening service to midnight

172 [Riverside / Coquitlam Central Stn]
via Lougheed, Shaughnessy, Lincoln, Oxford, Prairie, Fremont, Riverside, Ottawa, Dominion to Freemont; return as 171
every 30min daytime; 60min evening service to midnight

173 [Cedar / Coquitlam Central Stn]
via Dewdney Trunk, Kingsway to Poco Stn, then Oxford Connector, Oxford, Coquitlam, Coast Meridian, Prairie, Cedar to Victoria at Rocklin; return as 174

174 [Rocklin / Coquitlam Central Stn]
via Dewdney Trunk, Kingsway to Poco Stn, then Shaughnessy, David, Oxford, Wellington, Greenmount, Victoria, to Rocklin; return as 173
every 30min daytime; 60min evening service to midnight

175 [Meridian / Coquitlam Central Stn]
renumbered from C40, extend to Coq Stn
every 30min, peak service only

178 - discontinued

180 [Moody Centre Stn / Lougheed Stn]
renumber from C24
every 15min peak, 30min off-peak

181 [Ioco / Moody Centre Stn]
renumbered from C25
one additional late night trip continue to Belcarra

182 [Belcarra / Moody Centre Stn]
renumbered from C26
all trip via Ravine

183 [Moody Centre Stn / Coquitlam Central Stn]
via St John, Heritage Mtn, David, Forest Park, Panorama, Johnson, Robson, Pinetree
every 20min peak, 30min off-peak; 4:30am to 2:30am

184 [Noons Creek / Moody Centre Stn]
via St Johns, Barnet, Falcoln, Noons Creek, to Panorama at Lansdowne; continue as 185
every 15min peak, 30min off-peak till 11pm

185 [Lansdowne / Coquitlam Central Stn]
via Barnet, Lansdowne to Panorama; continue as 184
every 15min peak, 30min off-peak till 12am

186 [Hampton Park / Coquitlam Central Stn]
via Pinetree, David, Pipeline, Robson, Pinetree to Paddock and return
every 15min peak, 30min off-peak till 11pm

187 [Parkway / Coquitlam Central Stn]
renumbered from C29
service start from 4:30am (was 5:15am)
every 30min evening till 11:30pm (from 60)

188 [Coquitlam Central Stn / Port Coquitlam Stn]
improve to every 15min peak (from 30), extend to 2:30am at night

189 [Princeton / Coquitlam Central Stn]
renumbered from C30, extend to Burke Mtn
reroute to Pipeline from Lincoln to Glen
extend from Lafarge Park via Dunkirk, David, Princeton, return via Coast Meridian, David, Dunkirk

190 - discontinued

531 - Brookswood trips removed

590 - discontinued

701 [Haney Place / Maple Ridge East / Mission City Stn / Coquitlam Central Stn]
improve to every 10min peak (from 12), extend to 2:30am at night
4 round-trips extend to Mission on weekday (9:17am, 1:46pm, 7:47pm, 8:47pm)

C21 - merge into 23

C23 - merge into 6, 23

C24 - renumbered to 180

C25 - renumbered to 181

C26 - renumbered to 182

C27 - merged into 160, 183, 185

C28 - merged into 160, 183, 184, 186

C29 - renumbered to 187

C30 - renumbered to 189

C36 - renumbered to 170

C37 - merged into 171, 172, 173

C38 - merged into 173, 174

C40 - renumbered to 175

C63 - all trip via Brookswood

N9 - additional trips 2-3am from Lougheed to Coquitlam; 2-5am Coquitlam to Lougheed only

Inproving frequency of the 160 to every 15 minutes should be enough capacity for Guilford Way. Clarke Road (Snake Hill) is not adequately served if riders have to rely on the C24/180.

The link www.translink.ca/skytrainchanges now says check back Monday Sept 19 for new updates

[officedweller]

It only just occurred to me that this change will likely (or should!) include the opening of the new 3rd platform at Lougheed Town Centre Station.

Originally Posted by ilikeredheads

Millennium line trains will stop running between Waterfront and Columbia starting Oct 22
https://imgur.com/gallery/lgFmw

Starting Oct 22 until opening of Evergreen extension:
Expo line runs from Waterfront to Columbia, then branches out to either King George or Production Way/University
M line runs between VCC/Clark and Lougheed Town Centre

[officedweller]

Originally Posted by GMD

"add to that Port Moody's past resistance to redevelopment in the town centre."

Not past, present. It was just a couple of months ago council rejected a six story building on a vacant lot (within community plan guidelines, supported by city staff, design panel and land use committee) right next to Port Moody station because people in the building behind it figured the lot should stay empty so their view wasn't blocked. (Note that the Mayor did vote in favour but was outvoted).

Current council is pretty anti-development, I assume that developers will wait to see how the next municipal election turns out and will build in Coquitlam in the meantime.

Yeah!

VancouverMarket.ca story on it:

http://www.vancouvermarket.ca/2016/09/12/revised-port-moody-application-heading-back-to-council/

[dothediu]

Originally Posted by officedweller

It only just occurred to me that this change will likely (or should!) include the opening of the new 3rd platform at Lougheed Town Centre Station.

Doubtful, since the 3rd track at Lougheed is for trains toward Lafarge Lake. No trains go to Coquitlam on Oct 22.

[dpogue]

Originally Posted by dothediu

Doubtful, since the 3rd track at Lougheed is for trains toward Lafarge Lake. No trains go to Coquitlam on Oct 22.

Yes, but turning trains around at Lougheed without using that 3rd platform is going to be a pain.

A few people have suggested that they'll actually run the trains all the way to Lafarge and back (with an STA on-board and no passengers) as part of the final testing & commissioning phases.

[officedweller]

Originally Posted by dothediu

Doubtful, since the 3rd track at Lougheed is for trains toward Lafarge Lake. No trains go to Coquitlam on Oct 22.

Originally Posted by dpogue

Yes, but turning trains around at Lougheed without using that 3rd platform is going to be a pain.

A few people have suggested that they'll actually run the trains all the way to Lafarge and back (with an STA on-board and no passengers) as part of the final testing & commissioning phases.

The real change from a passenger perspective will be the up and down transfer required
- and central to that is the fact that trains coming from VCC-Clarke will stop at the new 3rd platform.

For a "proper" test, Millennium trains from VCC-Clarke should stop at the new 3rd platform, then continue up North Road to the switch,
then come back in to the north side of the old centre platform (Platform 2?).

The Expo Line trains from Braid (Waterfront) will also stop at Platform 2.

That way, they are testing the interlining of trains at Platform 2.

....or maybe they'll use the switch circled in orange below to reverse the trains.


Modified version of Lougheed Operations diagram showing revised movements from Partnerships BC website.

[nname]

From the schedule, there are two type of trains -
Millennium Line to Lougheed
Millennium Line to Lafarge Lake

During peak hours and late night, every train will go to Lafarge; however, mid-day and evening, every second train will terminate at Lougheed. The last train of the day will also go as far as Lougheed only.

This is what the headway that is currently in Translink's schedule:

Peak:
VCC ..3⅓.. Lougheed ..3⅓.. Lafarge
Waterfront ..2 2/9.. Columbia ..6⅔.. Production ( or ..4 4/9.. King George)

Midday/Evening:
VCC ..3¾.. Lougheed ..7½.. Lafarge
Waterfront ..3¾.. Columbia ..7½.. Production / King George

Late night:
VCC ..8.. Lougheed ..8.. Lafarge
Waterfront ..4.. Columbia ..8.. Production / King George


... Millennium Line EAST ...
Production -> Lafarge: 5:11am ...
VCC -> Lafarge: 5:30am ... 1:22am
VCC -> Lougheed: ... 1:29am

Additional short-turns:
Coquitlam -> Lafarge

... Millennium Line WEST ...
Lougheed -> VCC: 5:13am ...
Lafarge -> VCC: 5:04am ... 12:58am
Lafarge -> Lougheed: ... 1:39am

... Expo Line EAST ...
Edmonds -> Production: 5:20am ...
Edmonds -> King George: 5:22am ...
Waterfront -> King George: 5:32am ... 1:16am
Waterfront -> Production: 5:37am ... 12:30am
Waterfront -> Lougheed: ... 1:11am

Additional short-turns:
22nd Street -> Production
Waterfront -> Edmonds

... Expo Line WEST ...
.. 3 early trains depart from Burrard, Broadway, Granville ...
Edmonds -> Waterfront: 5:18am ...
King George -> Waterfront: 5:08am ... 12:38am
Production -> Waterfront: 5:10am ... 12:27am
Production -> New West: ... 1:15am
King George -> New West: ... 1:28am

Additional short-turns:
Burrard -> Waterfront
Granville -> Waterfront
Broadway -> Waterfront
Metrotown -> Waterfront