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Old Posted Jul 5, 2016, 9:04 PM
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Doesn't the move to Stelco tower also involve a partnership with IBM that involves moving IBM jobs from Markham to Hamilton? That was my understanding, so there is an employment gain for the city.
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Old Posted Jul 6, 2016, 3:25 AM
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As poorly as his words were chosen, Whitehead does actually have a point. Shifting hospital jobs from one part of the city to another is not exactly a win for the city. There are no net-new positions, and the city is subsidizing HHS to refit the new offices. Yes, there will be spin-off business for the downtown, which will be at the expense of businesses that served the west mountain location. The overall winner here is HHS. If they stayed at the Chedoke campus, they wouldn't have had their renovations subsidized by the city.

I would very much prefer it if the city was offering subsidies and forgivable loans to entice new business into the city.
I think if he'd have kept his cool and debated facts instead of spewing hyperbole he may have gotten more traction with that argument. And I too think there's a good point about this money -- especially given that HHS plans to move those staff regardless of the "loan" being approved.

Staff is likely looking at the big picture though, so there is additional complexity to all this. If there's a synergy with IBM, that may be worth supporting. If this helps speed the reduction in the downtown office vacancy rate to the point where new office space becomes a more attractive prospect, that may be worth supporting. Plus the increase in activity downtown that others have noted may also be worth supporting. Again though, if HHS plans to move there anyway...


Whitehead's naked and ranting parochialism is getting very stale. We certainly heard no complaints from him when the Board of Ed was moving all of its jobs out of downtown to the mountain. Or before the consolidation of psychiatric services at the new St. Joe's complex, including some from the lower city. And has he ever even raised a question about the impact of school closures in the lower city?

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Old Posted Jul 6, 2016, 2:38 PM
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Beasley neighbours not happy with police forensics building plan
(The Hamilton Spectator, Molly Hayes, Wednesday, July 06, 2016)

The funding model of a proposed Hamilton police forensics facility has sparked debate at city hall, but the building itself is raising concerns even before a shovel hits the ground.

While the proposed "police investigative services" facility itself is not an issue, neighbours are upset about the design of the building, which is slated to take up the block bounded by Wilson, Rebecca, Catharine and Mary streets.

"It's fundamentally a suburban building. It's not appropriate for a downtown setting," John Neary, a local physician and member of the Beasley Neighbourhood Association, said of the design.

An early rendering of the proposed $24 million facility — the drawings alone cost $1.5 million, Coun. Lloyd Ferguson, chair of the Hamilton Polcie service board, said — shows an expansive two-storey compound, with surface parking on two sides. On the Rebecca side, a large walled-in ramp would serve as an entrance to underground parking.

Hamilton Police said some of the services that would be performed there include the collection, analysis and packaging of DNA and other evidence.

Neary said his association has no problem with the facility being developed there — "but I don't think it needs to fill nearly the entire block. It could be built on a smaller portion of the block to a higher density."

He said a higher density build could potentially allow the city to sell of some of the remaining land to make much-needed cash to finance the project.

Beasley residents are particularly sensitive about the project given the history of that block, Neary says.

Before it was purchased by the city from the province in 2010, the Hamilton Downtown Mosque — which owns the adjacent property at Wilson and Catharine streets — had its eye on the land. The hope was to build a larger mosque, a school, a community centre and affordable housing.

The city ended up buying the building for police. Ferguson says the price was $1.3 million.

The mosque moved west, to Hess Street and York Boulevard. It was a loss for the neighbourhood, Neary says: "I feel, and I think many other people feel, we should get something good for the neighbourhood out of this (project) — now that the mosque has already been driven away."

Neary is meeting with police representatives and Ward 2 Coun. Jason Farr on Wednesday to discuss the association's concerns.

Meanwhile, council has expressed its own concerns about the cost.

What was originally supposed to be a $15-million project divided between all three levels of government has instead ballooned to $24 million — and the city is now expected to foot the bill alone.

"To try to change what was a (three-way) agreement, to a 100 per cent funding model on the municipal tax base, is irresponsible," Coun. Matthew Green said. "It feels like a bait and switch."

Ferguson says he too is disappointed by the lack of help from the provincial and federal governments, but chalks it up to the ongoing battle of downloading costs.

Green wonders why they cannot simply update the existing headquarters on King William Street —which he says is capable of withstanding another floor, a renovation he argues would cost millions of dollars less.

Ferguson said they did look into that, and argued it's cheaper to build new.

"Our (forensics facility) is outdated. It's been around for 40 years. We need to update that."
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Old Posted Jul 6, 2016, 9:23 PM
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Wasn't able to get a great photo as I passed by, but the old TD at Wentworth and King was finally having its ugly facade peeled away today. Looks amazing underneath!

http://imgur.com/y7Eekj8
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Old Posted Jul 6, 2016, 11:18 PM
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Old Posted Jul 7, 2016, 3:48 AM
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Wasn't able to get a great photo as I passed by, but the old TD at Wentworth and King was finally having its ugly facade peeled away today. Looks amazing underneath!

http://imgur.com/y7Eekj8
one down, one hundred to go!
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Old Posted Jul 7, 2016, 4:46 AM
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Ironically one building is uncovered, another is covered up.

Update on the VON/Clinic Building on Victoria North. My verdict is I like it so far. They've kept some historic details showing, which looks pretty neat with the new siding. Looks like some interior work might be happening too. Sure to make for a better patient experience.





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Old Posted Jul 7, 2016, 12:59 PM
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These types of buildings are tricky, they are cool because they are old but they are also kind of bland. They are usually a good solid 6/10, nice but you do't think about them twice when you walk past them. Would still rather see them left as is than tarted up though.
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Old Posted Jul 11, 2016, 12:59 PM
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Spotted in the empty lot at south east corner of Barton/Wellington.

This by-law is to "Prohibit Certain Uses of Land, Buildings and Structures, and to Regulate the Height, Bulk, Location, Spacing, Character and Use of Buildings and Structures in the City of Hamilton." so it looks like someone wants to build something on it.

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Old Posted Jul 11, 2016, 1:54 PM
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This weird building at Jackson and Hughson is having something done to it. Not sure the extent of work being done, or for what purpose.

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Old Posted Jul 11, 2016, 2:20 PM
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That zoning variance application is for.......................a 44 spot surface parking lot

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Old Posted Jul 11, 2016, 2:23 PM
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That's an absolutely terrible use for that corner lot and I hope the local residents oppose it strongly, much like the one that they did a few blocks Southwest. Wouldn't surprise me if HHS has something to do with it.
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Old Posted Jul 11, 2016, 2:41 PM
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Apparently HHS can get surface lots paid for by the province but not parking structures which is what they really need. Barton Street continues to take one step forward and two steps back.
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Old Posted Jul 11, 2016, 4:01 PM
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Well, a parking lot is better than an abandoned lot at least.
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Old Posted Jul 11, 2016, 6:39 PM
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That's an absolutely terrible use for that corner lot and I hope the local residents oppose it strongly, much like the one that they did a few blocks Southwest. Wouldn't surprise me if HHS has something to do with it.
Yeah there should really be a building on the corner. Hopefully Green and Farr go against it as well.
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Old Posted Jul 11, 2016, 6:44 PM
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Just note that HHS isn't the applicant in this case. The lot is privately owned.
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Old Posted Jul 11, 2016, 9:29 PM
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How ironic would it be if all the stink made about the other parking lot made the owner of this corner realize that the hospital needed parking and they owned the perfect spot.

Obviously cars need to park somewhere but a corner lot like that is a pretty big waste.
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Old Posted Jul 13, 2016, 1:39 AM
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They've started to demolish the half burned down husk at King E/Victoria N. How many years has that eyesore been like that now? Crazy.

https://goo.gl/maps/tJkkqczkVU42
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Old Posted Jul 13, 2016, 4:00 AM
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Just note that HHS isn't the applicant in this case. The lot is privately owned.
It's not that guy who owns another lot near the General that also wants to demolish that house near St. Joe's for parking, is it?
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Old Posted Jul 13, 2016, 1:02 PM
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They've started to demolish the half burned down husk at King E/Victoria N. How many years has that eyesore been like that now? Crazy.

https://goo.gl/maps/tJkkqczkVU42
Looks like it burnt down sometime between April 2012 and June 2014. At least two years... Jeeze.
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