Stadiums and Arenas of Canada part 2

[Oilkountry]

Originally Posted by drummer_god

It's actually 15 yards off centre if going by the in stadium rendering.

So, depending on which rendering you're looking at, it's 5 yards off or 15 yards off.

The rendering posted earlier says 6 yards offset from centre

[king10]

Its 6 yards off centre, not 15.

Theres still going to be the same amount of seats between the 30 yard lines. Its the north endzone where you lose seats.

[HomeInMyShoes]

^Agreed.

The CFL and fans in general will need to come to the realization that we may not have 50,000+ seats available for Grey Cups and that it will put attending one in person financially out of the reach of many fans. Is that any different with hockey ticket prices for playoff games or other high demand things? Not really. If 27,000 seat stadiums expandable to 35,000 or 40,000 are what work economically for the CFL and its a healthier league then that far outweighs capacity for a single game.

[Steveston]

Don't let "perfect" be the enemy of "good".

[drummer_god]

Originally Posted by Oilkountry

really?

If you zoom in on the top rendering, centre field is 15 yards to the left of centre of the grandstand.

Again, depending on which of the two renderings floating around this forum is accurate will determine how off-centre the field will be to the stadium.

[FrankieFlowerpot]

I'll believe an architectural drawing over a half assed photoshop job

[Oilkountry]

Originally Posted by drummer_god

If you zoom in on the top rendering, centre field is 15 yards to the left of centre of the grandstand.

Again, depending on which of the two renderings floating around this forum is accurate will determine how off-centre the field will be to the stadium.

are you joking? That isn't a rendering. At least I hope to god it's not or the south side endzone will be about 10 yards deep

[esquire]

Originally Posted by Oilkountry

are you joking? That isn't a rendering. At least I hope to god it's not or the south side endzone will be about 10 yards deep

I heard it was mandated by Rogers just to remind the Argos of their place in the pecking order

(But with the paranoia running through this thread, I'm sure that someone actually thinks that)

[SkydivePilot]

Originally Posted by HomeInMyShoes

^Agreed.

The CFL and fans in general will need to come to the realization that we may not have 50,000+ seats available for Grey Cups and that it will put attending one in person financially out of the reach of many fans. Is that any different with hockey ticket prices for playoff games or other high demand things? Not really. If 27,000 seat stadiums expandable to 35,000 or 40,000 are what work economically for the CFL and its a healthier league then that far outweighs capacity for a single game.

I agree. The first two Grey Cups Regina hosted ('95/'03) each had over 50,000 attendees. The '13 Grey Cup had approximately 45,000. Regina's new stadium will have seating for 33,000 --- which will be expandable to 40,000 for Grey Cups. The overall trend seems to be for smaller venues.

[Horus]

Originally Posted by FrankieFlowerpot

CFL requires at least a 6 yard run-off I believe

Not disputing that figure or anthing, but if that is the case, I'm not sure how Ottawa TDPlace is compliant. They have space, but the surface changes VERY quickly from turf to asphalt. Now if you've ever tried walking or running on asphalt in cleats....let's just say, that's not really safe.

[drummer_god]

Perhaps 6 yards before a grandstand wall?

[ggopher]

This years Grey Cup is in Winnipeg. The new stadium has a capacity of 33500 and was going to be expanded to 40000 for the Grey Cup. However ticket sales have been so slow last month they announced that the capacity would be reduced to 365000. Tickets along the sidelines (between the goal lines) cost $500 for main level and $400 for the second level. I have been to many Grey Cups, but that is a bit pricey to freeze in Winnipeg. It is too hard to compete with HDTV and a comfy couch.

The Roughriders or the host team have played in 7 out of the last 8 Grey Cups. That is what drives ticket sales. Nothing else.

But they just announced the official beer provider for Grey Cup week will be the 3 local craft breweries. Now that is an amazing concept!
http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/local/kick-at-the-can-329887351.html

[SkydivePilot]

Originally Posted by ggopher

This years Grey Cup is in Winnipeg. The new stadium has a capacity of 33500 and was going to be expanded to 40000 for the Grey Cup. However ticket sales have been so slow last month they announced that the capacity would be reduced to 365000. Tickets along the sidelines (between the goal lines) cost $500 for main level and $400 for the second level. I have been to many Grey Cups, but that is a bit pricey to freeze in Winnipeg. It is too hard to compete with HDTV and a comfy couch.

The Roughriders or the host team have played in 7 out of the last 8 Grey Cups. That is what drives ticket sales. Nothing else.

But they just announced the official beer provider for Grey Cup week will be the 3 local craft breweries. Now that is an amazing concept!
http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/local/kick-at-the-can-329887351.html

The Riders played in neither the '95 nor '03 Grey Cups in Regina, . . and yet, there were over 50,000 attendees at each event.

[Nathan]

Originally Posted by SkydivePilot

The Riders played in neither the '95 nor '03 Grey Cups in Regina, . . and yet, there were over 50,000 attendees at each event.

And tickets weren't $500 adjusted for inflation (My prime seats were $135 in 1995 and $189 in 2003... then $350 in 2013). The CFL has always marketed itself as the family friendly/accessible league. The way they've been pricing Grey Cups lately has been and will definitely put a dint in that concept. It really seemed to start with the 100th Grey Cup, and they just kept the elevated prices.

It might take a Grey Cup that doesn't really sell for them to realize they've gone too far. There was even grumbling in Sask about the prices for 2013... until the Riders made it... then it didn't matter, it became priceless.

[Oilkountry]

They had a ton of problems selling tickets the last time Vancouver hosted it as well. I don't even know if it sold out actually. I have a feeling even if they left it at 40,000 seats Winnipeg will sell it out. Theirs just not much buzz in the city for it right now because the bombers have no chance of making it but once the event gets closer I'm sure the excitement for the experience will heat up, although I don't blame them for cutting the other temp stand out. It would be quite embarrassing for the CFL to have empty seats for the greycup. Actually I cant think of a worse year for Winnipeg to want to host this, In all my years as a bombers fan I've never seen the city so uninterested in the CFL.

[esquire]

Originally Posted by Oilkountry

They had a ton of problems selling tickets the last time Vancouver hosted it as well. I don't even know if it sold out actually. I have a feeling even if they left it at 40,000 seats Winnipeg will sell it out. Theirs just not much buzz in the city for it right now because the bombers have no chance of making it but once the event gets closer I'm sure the excitement for the experience will heat up, although I don't blame them for cutting the other temp stand out. It would be quite embarrassing for the CFL to have empty seats for the greycup. Actually I cant think of a worse year for Winnipeg to want to host this, In all my years as a bombers fan I've never seen the city so uninterested in the CFL.

It's a repeat of the 1998 scenario when the team had to sell tickets to a beaten down fan base that lost interest after years of ineptitude. Even then tickets would sell if they were at a more reasonable price point. The CFL needs to realize that in the long run, the reputational hit that comes from having unsold GC seats costs way more than whatever additional revenue they get from the higher price points.

[Dalreg]

$500+ for the tickets are getting to be a bit much. There is no reason to jack the prices up that much for the Grey Cup.

[Berklon]

Originally Posted by Dalreg

$500+ for the tickets are getting to be a bit much. There is no reason to jack the prices up that much for the Grey Cup.

I dunno. According to ticketmaster there are no seats available in the $500-$580 range... and only a limited amount of seats left from $400-$500.
If people had a problem with those prices they wouldn't be buying those tickets.

Everything under $200 is gone and it looks like it's the $200-$400 range that's the problem. I guess people don't like shelling that much money for endzone and upper-level seats.

[DavefromSt.Vital]

I think there should have been more price points. Some will always pay for the best available regardless of price and others will have a limited budget. However, if I have the choice of paying $400 to sit in one of the last rows of the upper bowl on the goal line or somewhere decent in the lower bowl for $500 (there are a handful available that recently popped up), guess which ones I am picking?

[osmo]

CFL clubs have got to cozy in relying on Grey Cups for the big quick paydays. You don't know your market well, or don't care, to be charging sky high prices like that. It was obvious from Vancouver the market wasn't going to stomach those sorts of prices for the GC. So now in a traditional strong market like Winnipeg hopefully the league wakes up to noticing that you can't get away robbing your fan base like that.

CFL is not exploring branding more heavily. Now finally selling of the "rights" for the Grey Cup that always held high value in attaching a "presentation sponsor" to the game. I don't remember what Shaw paid for that but likely at least a million a year, if not more. Its a start but they can do more.

Oh speaking of robbery... $165 (resale) for nosebleeds for Blue Jays ALDS.