Millennium Line - Broadway Extension: Planning & Pre-Construction

[officedweller]

I think the SE corner has less residential exposure.
The block in the middle of my yellow square is commercial, I think.
So you'd just have opposition from the residents of the new projects on the former Safeway site
(and the south side of 10th).

[casper]

One aspect of this debate that I think is being overlooked is a fair number of students at a place like UBC are from outside of the region. They temporarily relocate to Metro Vancouver for several years to go to school.

Where they chose to rent is going to be drive by cost and how easy it is get to and from campus. If skytrain to UBC were in place, I think you see more students living around skytrain stations.

[aberdeen5698]

Originally Posted by casper

If skytrain to UBC were in place, I think you see more students living around skytrain stations.

Given the popularity of the U-Pass and the crowds trying to board the bus at Broadway and Commercial, I'm sure a lot of UBC students already live near Skytrain stations, since that's the most direct route to connect to the UBC bus.

[VarBreStr18]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

I'm assuming one of those blocks would have to be demo'd though, I don't think you can do that kind of loop with the existing streets.

Residents of W 10th will be against it no matter what I'd imagine.

Why would they? doesnt property value goes up where ever there is a transit station? Look at the Cambie corridor.

[SOSS]

Originally Posted by VarBreStr18

Why would they? doesnt property value goes up where ever there is a transit station? Look at the Cambie corridor.

Because of NIMBY mentality.

[GeeCee]

The CRIME TRAIN is comin!

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by VarBreStr18

Why would they? doesnt property value goes up where ever there is a transit station? Look at the Cambie corridor.

NIMBY, plus people who just want to live there and don't care too much about the value but don't want buses outside their house every 3 mins.

[SOSS]

Also, not everyone wants property values to go up. Increased property values = increased property taxes. You only get to cash in on increased property values when you sell.

[aberdeen5698]

Originally Posted by SOSS

Also, not everyone wants property values to go up. Increased property values = increased property taxes.

True, but only if your property value increases more than the average increase in value for all properties in the city.

[VarBreStr18]

Originally Posted by SOSS

Because of NIMBY mentality.

Dont tell me NIMBY do not like their property value increase, they just dont like the property tax increase. You cant have the cake and eat it too. Vancouver is a city of change. Like it or not,, change will come anyway. Life is change,city is change. I envy Cambie corridors home owners who capitalize on change and laughing all the way to the bank.

[Pinion]

NIMBYs are often people with no intention of moving so they couldn't care less about resale value. Perceived lower crime (i.e. fewer transit-riding poors and ethnics) and lower population density is more important to them.

[Metro-One]

Originally Posted by Pinion

NIMBYs are often people with no intention of moving so they couldn't care less about resale value. Perceived lower crime (i.e. fewer transit-riding poors and ethnics) and lower population density is more important to them.

Ethnic people (such as Chinese) can be just as big NIMBY's regarding such projects.

And what is "ethnic" doesn't everyone have some ethnicity?

[Pinion]

Originally Posted by Metro-One

Ethnic people (such as Chinese) can be just as big NIMBY's regarding such projects.

And what is "ethnic" doesn't everyone have some ethnicity?

I was expressing the NIMBY mentality, not my own. Public transit and new towers brings strange foreigners to the quaint little WASP suburbs (I actually stole the term "ethnics" from an especially offensive north shore news article comment).

[aberdeen5698]

Originally Posted by Pinion

NIMBYs are often people with no intention of moving so they couldn't care less about resale value.

It doesn't really matter whether you have any intention of moving or not. There's this big myth that people whose homes have appreciated have become rich, but that's just not true unless you can move to a cheaper area. If you sell your appreciated home then you just have to turn around and buy another appreciated home, so all that money you got for selling your house doesn't really go that far. In fact, the biggest impact is that you end up paying much heftier real estate fees and property transfer taxes.

[red-paladin]

We need to bring this thread back to the topic.

[Ridgerunner]

All:

With a plebiscite in the works that will determine what will be done over the next ten years, how come there is no discussion on this forum?

Of all the times to post information, it should be now.

[Millennium2002]

It's not like we're trying to hide valuable information that can be used to promote the transit referendum... In fact,
it's very easy to go back a few pages and see what has been discussed on this thread re the Broadway subway.

The problem right now is that TransLink is not forthcoming with new information that can be used to inform this
discussion further... and no one wants to re-start an old discussion with old facts and controversies that have
already been put to rest. (You can go back a few pages to see what I mean.)

But don't mistake our silence as a rejection of the Broadway corridor... Everyone here pretty much supports
the idea of replacing an overcrowded and neglected rapid bus line with an integrated Millennium Line SkyTrain
extension to Arbutus and beyond as the best project for Vancouver and the Metro region as a whole.

The key questions at this point are: When will it be done? And where's the money? Once these are answered
(most likely with the referendum), then maybe we can drool and nitpick on the design and implementation.
But for now, we just have to sit tight and wait it out.

[Kisai]

Originally Posted by Ridgerunner

All:

With a plebiscite in the works that will determine what will be done over the next ten years, how come there is no discussion on this forum?

Of all the times to post information, it should be now.

The only new information is here:
http://www.translink.ca/en/About-Us/Doin...ding-Opportunities/Closed-Bids/2014.aspx

Which is information I posted in Surrey rapid transit thread.

I'll copy paste the relevant pieces, but be advised that it's still in a speculative position:

Q14-154
Broadway SkyTrain Extension - Phase 3A Technical Services
Title: Broadway SkyTrain Extension - Phase 3A Technical Services

Type: Request for Proposal

Awarded to:

TBA
Proposals received from:

Parsons Inc.
Stantec Consulting Ltd.
Steer Davies Gleave North America jointly with Hatch Mott MacDonald Ltd

This is what these companies do locally or in light-rail/rapid-transit:

Parsons:
Locally - Lions Gate Bridge ( http://www.parsons.com/projects/Pages/lions-gate-bridge.aspx )
Elsewhere - Metro/Light Rails
Houston Metro -http://www.parsons.com/projects/Pages/houston-metro-lrt.aspx 1.225 billion, 15 miles, 24 stations
Dallas - http://www.parsons.com/projects/Pages/dart-orange-line-extension.aspx 430 million, 14 miles
Denver - http://www.parsons.com/projects/Pages/t-rex.aspx 1.16 Billion, 19 miles, 13 stations
Dubai Metro - http://www.parsons.com/projects/Pages/dubai-metro.aspx 8 billion, 76km, 49 stations

Steer Davies Gleave:
(Vancouver Translink) 2040 and beyond – Rapid Transit Strategic Network Review - http://www.steerdaviesgleave.com/casestu...3-rapid-transit-strategic-network-review
(Vancouver Translink) Applying a custom Multiple Account Evaluation framework - http://www.steerdaviesgleave.com/casestudies/applying-custom-multiple-account-evaluation-framework
(Vancouver Translink) Putting the passenger first with TransLink’s design guidelines - http://www.steerdaviesgleave.com/casestu...st-translink%E2%80%99s-design-guidelines
(Vancouver Translink) Ridership and revenue forecasts for Evergreen Light Rail Transit - http://www.steerdaviesgleave.com/casestu...e-forecasts-evergreen-light-rail-transit
Using MAE to assess rapid transit options along Vancouver’s Broadway Corridor - http://www.steerdaviesgleave.com/casestu...tions-along-vancouvers-broadway-corridor
(Toronto Metrolinx) Benefits cases for new urban transit projects - http://www.steerdaviesgleave.com/casestudies/metrolinx-benefits-cases
Creating a public transportation strategy for Edmonton -
http://www.steerdaviesgleave.com/casestudies/creating-public-transportation-strategy-edmonton
Portland High Capacity Transit Plan - http://www.steerdaviesgleave.com/casestudies/portland-high-capacity-transit-plan

Stantec:

They have quite a few Vancouver Office buildings projects, YVR projects and the new Stadium Roof.
Canada Line Olympic Village station - http://www.stantec.com/our-work/projects/canada-projects/c/canada-line-olympic-village-station.html
Edmonton Light Rail extension - http://www.stantec.com/content/stantec/e.../south-light-rail-transit-extension.html
Toronto-York-Spadina Subway Extension - http://www.stantec.com/content/stantec/e...ronto-york-spadina-subway-extension.html
Calgary Light Rail extension - http://www.stantec.com/content/stantec/e...jects/n/ne-lrt-extension-contract-3.html


Keep in mind that these are just responses to the RFP's.

[renthefinn]

Don't forget that Parsons recently bought out Delcan who had some local skytrain experience, and lots of other experience on other rapid transit and lrt projects throughout the world.

[Gordon]

Is the Broadway Millennium Line extension goring to be bored?