NEW YORK | 125 Greenwich Street | 912 FT | 70 FLOORS

[Crawford]

Originally Posted by jd3189

This, together with 1 WTC, would fully replace the height mass Lower Manhattan had when the Twins were standing. And with the other WTC buildings, this area is going to be the second largest cluster of new supertalls in NYC, just behind what we might witness in Hudson Yards.

57th Street area will definitely have more supertalls than Lower Manhattan.

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by Crawford

There are no height limits in the area, and many development sites, so there could potentially be an explosion of supertalls. That whole Greenwich South area near the Battery Tunnel has millions of square feet of air rights alone.

Yeah, that area does have a lot of unused residential development rights. The city has studied what to do about them for a while, there was even this "vision" of a tower for the area...


http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=181550

[Hudson11]

53rd-57th street will have at least 5, all residential; One 57, 432 park, 225 w 57th, 111 w 57th, Tower Verre.
Lower Manhattan will have at least the same amount; 1, 2 and 3 WTC plus this building and 80 South Street.
Central Park views are what's popular but harbor views will be well sought after as well. However, space is more limited in Lower Manhattan and most of it is basically one giant landmarked zone.

[Crawford]

Originally Posted by Hudson11

53rd-57th street will have at least 5, all residential; One 57, 432 park, 225 w 57th, 111 w 57th, Tower Verre.

Yeah, but 57th is just getting started. We already know about more than a half dozen potential supertall sites along 57th- Rizzoli, Shvo, the Solow site, the Durst site, Park Lane site, Haddash site, Extell site and CBS site.

Not directly on 57th, but nearby, we also know SHOP is doing an UES supertall and we know Barnett has a big development site near Lincoln Center, there's the American Bible Society development site, and another Extell site on Fifth Avenue near Rock Center.

Then there's that massive development site on East 60th near Bloomingdale's.

So I count at least 13 additional possibilities in terms of potential future supertalls near 57th, and that's only the sites where we have specific news. So adding to the five supertalls along 57th existing/uc/excavation underway, we have up to 18 in a perfect world.

Originally Posted by Hudson11

However, space is more limited in Lower Manhattan and most of it is basically one giant landmarked zone.

If you're talking all of Lower Manhattan south of Tribeca (basically the traditional financial district) very little is landmarked, and few areas have development or height restrictions.

[NYguy]

http://www.nydailynews.com/life-styl...icle-1.1925292

New condo tower slated to rise on Greenwich St. will be the tallest residential building downtown
Building at 125 Greenwich St. will be developed by Michael Shvo





September 2, 2014

Move over, One World Trade Center. Another game-changing new development is set to irreversibly alter the downtown skyline. A new condo project slated to rise at 125 Greenwich St. site will top 1,356 feet, making it the second tallest building downtown, just shy of its neighbor at One World Trade Center.

The building will be developed by former bad boy broker turned developer Michael Shvo alongside real estate company Bizzi & Partners. The partnership paid about $180 million for the site, formerly known as 22 Thames St., last week.

...Renderings for the enormous 77-story tower, which bears a striking resemblance to the slimline megatower underway on Park Ave., were first dug up by the New York YIMBY blog, a pro-development site whose name is a positive twist on the classic "Not in my back yard" acronym.

A spokewoman for Shvo said the designs are subject to change. She also declined to comment on whether the prices of the apartments will be in same stratosphere as its Park Ave. doppleganger.

[Zapatan]

Awesome!

[Blaze23]

I'm glad to see other projects downtown challenging the dominance of the WTC. Not too surprised about this one tho considering how much Shvo hyped it.

[JayPro]

Never mind the Libeskind Spiral. Using the vantage point in Sky88's pic, this is starting to look like an Addams Family portrait...or two married couples posing with the Reverend Wilt Chamberlain.....

[NYguy]

I would like it better on the other (east river) side, where 80 South Street will be. That would add more balance to the Downtown skyline. Maybe something else will do that.

[JayPro]

At the risk of slight topic deviation, I'd think that 30PP, 101M, 56L and now this Cherry Street 800'-er will do just that...plus maybe even whatever comes about in the Seaport plan.
Plus---apropos of balance--we have the two (IIRC) Broad St. towers that will make the venerable 20 Exchange seem less isolated from certain angles...and one of which (IIRC also) is on a parcel without height restrictions.
Whatever shakes out, the bolstering of Downtown's fringes and its steady encroachment northward will be fun to watch as much as MidTown's Two-Soon-to-be-Three White Hot Spots (57th, HY and environs, M-East/Grand Central/1 Vandy).

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by JayPro

At the risk of slight topic deviation, I'd think that 30PP, 101M, 56L and now this Cherry Street 800'-er will do just that...plus maybe even whatever comes about in the Seaport plan.
Plus---apropos of balance--we have the two (IIRC) Broad St. towers that will make the venerable 20 Exchange seem less isolated from certain angles...and one of which (IIRC also) is on a parcel without height restrictions.
Whatever shakes out, the bolstering of Downtown's fringes and its steady encroachment northward will be fun to watch as much as MidTown's Two-Soon-to-be-Three White Hot Spots (57th, HY and environs, M-East/Grand Central/1 Vandy).

Those towers aren't big enough. Even 80 South St at its 1,000 ft or so won't really challenge the WTC. I'm talking about a tower that could hold its own, and balance the Downtown skyline the way the Freedom Tower does.

[sbarn]

Originally Posted by NYguy

Those towers aren't big enough. Even 80 South St at its 1,000 ft or so won't really challenge the WTC. I'm talking about a tower that could hold its own, and balance the Downtown skyline the way the Freedom Tower does.

Continuing this off topic discussion, I've always thought that the Federal Building site north of City Hall would be a great place for a signature super tall tower. It covers an entire block (rare opportunity) allowing for more flexibility in shape, etc than a typical NYC tower that is usually jammed amongst other buildings. It is a bit removed from the cluster of downtown skyline, providing a counter balance to the Empire State Building in Midtown. All a pipe-dream I know...

[JayPro]

I'd like to make these observations then back on topic.
To begin with, my understanding of the Libeskindian spiral was to correct a problem that the original Twins created to begin with, i.e. sheer overwhelming dominance in the downtown skyline. BPC IMO should've been built taller to continue offsetting the imbalance; but there it is.
To the other point, I don't think it's a good idea yet to plop a supertall too far north of Downtown. I'd like to see some more in the height range of 56L and 227C before that happens.
That said, too.....outside of the debate re double skyline debate of geology v. socioeconomics/demographics, the overall cityscape is rightfully still being shaped with both clusters in isolation of each other. This business with peaks, valleys and bookends can be a nice discussion to have; but in reality, developers with agendas and shitloads of money have the last word.

[ChiTownWonder]

+for supertall
-for box
:/

[jshdodd]

This is fantastic news about 125s new height!

[Dac150]

Wow - this took me by surprise. Despite the conservative design (as it stands today) this tower will add to what will be an impressive cluster of high-rises.

[NYguy]

September 15, 2014


Waiting for some action...

[NYguy]

Imagine a tower of 432 Park's status just south of 4 WTC to grasp the impact...


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[Lecom]

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[supertallchaser]

somebody will take a picture from a weird angle when this thing is built and it will resemble the old wtc, think, 1wtc has an antennae this wont.but this will be pencil thin