Salt Lake MSA Development Thread

[Jumpur]

It seems like most people just want the prison to be relocated as far away as possible. While I may agree that the prison is an eyesore and may be intruding on residential areas (even though it was there first), I am very much against moving it to somewhere far like Skull Valley. One thing that makes its current location really cool is the fact that its close enough to receive community service. When I was in youth groups as a kid, we often times visited the prison during the holidays to carol to the inmates. With the prison being just next door to all these communities, its visited by religious, educational, and all sorts of service groups. If we move the location to somewhere far away, that just won't happen - not as many people will make the 2 hour round trip compared to the 20 minute one.

In my mind, the area north of I-80 and west of the airport is perfect.

[Bob The Builder]

Originally Posted by Jumpur

It seems like most people just want the prison to be relocated as far away as possible. While I may agree that the prison is an eyesore and may be intruding on residential areas (even though it was there first), I am very much against moving it to somewhere far like Skull Valley. One thing that makes its current location really cool is the fact that its close enough to receive community service. When I was in youth groups as a kid, we often times visited the prison during the holidays to carol to the inmates. With the prison being just next door to all these communities, its visited by religious, educational, and all sorts of service groups. If we move the location to somewhere far away, that just won't happen - not as many people will make the 2 hour round trip compared to the 20 minute one.

In my mind, the area north of I-80 and west of the airport is perfect.

That area is also a good spot. I have a friend that works at the Prison & that is one of the locations that had been discussed.

[delts145]

Deer Valley focused on Silver Lake-Main Street gondola route

The resort sees line along the Marsac Avenue corridor as promising

by Jay Hamburger - THE PARK RECORD

http://www.parkrecord.com/ci_22258969/de...e-main-street-gondola?source=most_viewed

Deer Valley Resort is continuing to research the possibility of building a gondola linking the resort's slopes to Main Street, an idea that was discussed midyear but has been little talked about publicly since then.

Resort officials have spent the time since the summer considering different options and say they are focused on several possible alignments.

Bob Wheaton, the president of the resort, said Deer Valley is researching a small number of spots in Silver Lake Village as the location for one of the terminals. He did not provide details but said the terminal in Silver Lake Village does not need to be located on the ski slopes themselves.

That would open up more possibilities for the terminal in Silver Lake Village. He said Silver Lake Village is centrally located and skiers are able to reach much of the resort's terrain from the lifts accessible there. He noted that the gondola would be in use during the summer as well as the ski season, making Silver Lake Village attractive as a terminal location.

Deer Valley, he said, sees the Brew Pub parking lot as the location of the terminal on Main Street, something that was discussed publicly earlier. The Brew Pub lot is owned by City Hall...


Park City ranked 3rd Most Expensive Ski Town

by Gina Barker - The Park Record

http://www.parkrecord.com/ci_22258964/pa...st-expensive-ski-town?source=most_viewed

According to a recently released Trip Advisor index, out of 20 popular North American ski destinations, Park City is among the most expensive. Following closely behind Aspen and Vail, Park City was ranked the third most expensive town to stay in on the TripIndex Ski, an annual index released from the popular vacation website.

At an estimated $677.05 in calculated costs, the index included average hotel, ski rental, lift ticket, meal and beer prices in town. Vail was listed as the most expensive, totaling $745.56, followed by Aspen at $673.06. Salt Lake City, the only other Utah destination on the list, was listed as the cheapest ski town destination, roughly $238.58 in total.

According to the index, Park City had the second most expensive hotel prices at $524.08 behind Vail, a number Trip Advisor calculated using an average of the hotel prices in a five-mile radius of each listed town.

Average ski rental costs were the highest on the index at an estimated $45.33, but lift tickets were closer to the bottom half of prices at $85. The most expensive was Vail, Colo. at an estimated $105. Both food and beer prices were below the average cost, with lower meal costs than Salt Lake City.

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[DCRes]

A couple pictures of the Embassy Suites and new Megeplex in West Valley

[DCRes]

Eaglewood Village in North Salt Lake

[DCRes]

This is the develoment on Main Street in Bountiful. I don't think pictures have been posted since it has been completed and now fully occupied (the car in the third picture looks funny, that's the panorama for you)





Another building on Main that is being renovated


This is an old book store on Main, I don't know if I like it the way it is because it's so retro or if it needs to be redone, what do you guys think?

[Stenar]

Originally Posted by DCRes

A couple pictures of the Embassy Suites and new Megeplex in West Valley

That Megaplex looks like a throwback to the '70s.

I like the Eaglewood Village. Looks great.

I also like that old retro business on Bountiful main street.

[SLC Projects]

Originally Posted by Stenar

That Megaplex looks like a throwback to the '70s.

Sure beats having a empty big box store building. The Megaplex is bringing back alot of families who otherwise in the past would of gone elsewhere to spend their money. This is great for that area of West Valley that used to be only known as the Ghetto Mall.

[jedikermit]

Originally Posted by SLC Projects

Sure beats having a empty big box store building. The Megaplex is bringing back alot of families who otherwise in the past would of gone elsewhere to spend their money. This is great for that area of West Valley that used to be only known as the Ghetto Mall.

Yeah, the colors and design of the Megaplex aren't my favorite by any means, but it's another huge step forward for the area. I'm a longtime west side resident, and taught in Taylorsville for 8 years, and there's a problem of perception as much as the reality. Some of that perception has been the residents themselves, somehow thinking "Valley Fair is the mall we deserve," which simultaneously pushed those who wanted something a little better away.

The addition of a dozen restaurants, most of which were new to WVC, and several new to the west side outright, to the west side of Valley Fair's parking lot, has been huge for the area. I know that even thought I havent gone into the mall proper in some time, I've taken my family to eat at some of those restaurants. They need to continue their plans for Valley Fair, and do whatever they were planning to do to lighten up what has always been a dark corridor of a mall.

I think right now WVC's master plan, including their plans for Valley Fair, are smarter, more transit-oriented, and as progressive as any city along the Wasatch Front. I do think they need to continue to work on their image problem, with outsiders as well as with residents, and they need to stick to that master plan. Things can change.

[Stenar]

They won't build the prison west of the airport.

A) the city has plans to expand its population in that area.

B) they won't build it too close to population centers again, so they won't have to move it again.


People from South Salt Lake Valley may not visit the new prison, but there will be people from Tooele County and the west side of SL County who will.


Maybe they ought to put the new prison right in the middle of the Kennecott tailing pond.

Originally Posted by Jumpur

... One thing that makes its current location really cool is the fact that its close enough to receive community service.... If we move the location to somewhere far away, that just won't happen - not as many people will make the 2 hour round trip compared to the 20 minute one.

In my mind, the area north of I-80 and west of the airport is perfect.

Originally Posted by Bob The Builder

That area is also a good spot. I have a friend that works at the Prison & that is one of the locations that had been discussed.

[Stenar]

Originally Posted by SLC Projects

Sure beats having a empty big box store building. The Megaplex is bringing back alot of families who otherwise in the past would of gone elsewhere to spend their money. This is great for that area of West Valley that used to be only known as the Ghetto Mall.

They could have designed the Megaplex so that it didn't look instant ghetto, though.

[TonyAnderson]

The Embassy Suites, though good for the area in ways, already looks 30 years old.

Like the Bountiful development.

[chad.farnes]

This whole prison relocation thing sounds like a bad deal. From what I have read, it would cost 300-600 million to relocate it. The 300 million was a report from about 6 months ago and 600 million was one from this week. I am betting the price will go up as time goes on. The land is valued at around 100 million. It is being argued that the additional savings are going to come through running it more efficiently, as in having 4.2 inmates per worker rather than the current rate of 3.2. REALLY?!? 500 million in savings from running the prison more efficiently? I doubt it.

I read an article this week somewhere about how the land is valued at more than 97 million (which is the number that I hear thrown around a lot. I have also heard that it was valued at 300 million before the housing market crashed). However, this article stated that if the land was used for something more financial promising (and they mentioned high rise office buildings. By high rise, they made it sound like around 10 stories), the land would be substantially more valuable. I know it sounds ridiculous, but I swear the article stated that the land would be work around 1.4 billion.

I can't find this article anywhere. It had to be on the Trib or KSL because that is where I get all my news. Anyone else come across an article like this this past week? I am pretty sure that I am not making it up, but I always like to provide a reference so that I am not just spouting off crazy numbers. Unfortunately I can't, but I am pretty sure that is what I read (in fact, the article may have said 1.7 billion, but that sounds WAY too ridiculous, so I'll stick to the 1.4).

What it sounds like to me is that there are some parties that really like the idea of the prison moving to increase their own income, and they will say anything to get it moved, even if it means a financial loss (or disaster) on part of the state.

I think the prison will be relocated one day. I'm hoping its in about 20-30 years when the land is worth more and its a better deal than the pie in the sky thing I'm reading about now. If it does move, one article that I came across stated that it would most likely move to Tooele, Box Elder, or Juab counties (which seems like it wouldn't be more efficient due to transportation, lack of infrastructure, long distance from the Salt Lake area, etc.). I had a random thought that I laughed at at first but then I thought it might work. So if anyone would like to tell me I'm crazy and that it won't work, let me know. When the prison is relocated, what about the southern tip of Antelope Island. It could be accessed from the causeway located in the area west of the airport (although it would have to be improved). The prison would be easily accessed from Salt Lake and it would be in an area that won't be developed ever. Also, while it is in a state park, it is in a park of the park that is so remote that no one rarely goes there. Also, the land could be leased (or something like that; sorry I'm no developer so I don't know the exact logistics or lingo) from the state park which could go to help support it.

[StevenF]

Originally Posted by TonyAnderson

The Embassy Suites, though good for the area in ways, already looks 30 years old.

Like the Bountiful development.

I told my wife it looks like a hospital. I would say an updated Pioneer Valley Hospital.

Speaking of Pioneer Hospital it could use an update so it looks less like the ghetto hospital it looks like and maybe it can start to loose its shittiest hospital in the valley status.

[Stenar]

Well, there's a totally different value assessed the land if the state leases it out and doesn't actually sell it. You're only focusing on the value of the land if they sell it off. They'll work with developers to build office buildings, but keep the land and receive lease payments on the land every year. That'll work out to several hundred million over 10-20 years. It could actually end up not only paying for the new prison facility, but it's operations and maintenance.

Originally Posted by chad.farnes

This whole prison relocation thing sounds like a bad deal. From what I have read, it would cost 300-600 million to relocate it. The 300 million was a report from about 6 months ago and 600 million was one from this week. I am betting the price will go up as time goes on. The land is valued at around 100 million. It is being argued that the additional savings are going to come through running it more efficiently, as in having 4.2 inmates per worker rather than the current rate of 3.2. REALLY?!? 500 million in savings from running the prison more efficiently? I doubt it.

I read an article this week somewhere about how the land is valued at more than 97 million (which is the number that I hear thrown around a lot. I have also heard that it was valued at 300 million before the housing market crashed). However, this article stated that if the land was used for something more financial promising (and they mentioned high rise office buildings. By high rise, they made it sound like around 10 stories), the land would be substantially more valuable. I know it sounds ridiculous, but I swear the article stated that the land would be work around 1.4 billion.

I can't find this article anywhere. It had to be on the Trib or KSL because that is where I get all my news. Anyone else come across an article like this this past week? I am pretty sure that I am not making it up, but I always like to provide a reference so that I am not just spouting off crazy numbers. Unfortunately I can't, but I am pretty sure that is what I read (in fact, the article may have said 1.7 billion, but that sounds WAY too ridiculous, so I'll stick to the 1.4).

What it sounds like to me is that there are some parties that really like the idea of the prison moving to increase their own income, and they will say anything to get it moved, even if it means a financial loss (or disaster) on part of the state.

I think the prison will be relocated one day. I'm hoping its in about 20-30 years when the land is worth more and its a better deal than the pie in the sky thing I'm reading about now. If it does move, one article that I came across stated that it would most likely move to Tooele, Box Elder, or Juab counties (which seems like it wouldn't be more efficient due to transportation, lack of infrastructure, long distance from the Salt Lake area, etc.). I had a random thought that I laughed at at first but then I thought it might work. So if anyone would like to tell me I'm crazy and that it won't work, let me know. When the prison is relocated, what about the southern tip of Antelope Island. It could be accessed from the causeway located in the area west of the airport (although it would have to be improved). The prison would be easily accessed from Salt Lake and it would be in an area that won't be developed ever. Also, while it is in a state park, it is in a park of the park that is so remote that no one rarely goes there. Also, the land could be leased (or something like that; sorry I'm no developer so I don't know the exact logistics or lingo) from the state park which could go to help support it.

[goldcntry]

Originally Posted by jedikermit

Yeah, the colors and design of the Megaplex aren't my favorite by any means, but it's another huge step forward for the area. I'm a longtime west side resident, and taught in Taylorsville for 8 years, and there's a problem of perception as much as the reality. Some of that perception has been the residents themselves, somehow thinking "Valley Fair is the mall we deserve," which simultaneously pushed those who wanted something a little better away.

The addition of a dozen restaurants, most of which were new to WVC, and several new to the west side outright, to the west side of Valley Fair's parking lot, has been huge for the area. I know that even thought I havent gone into the mall proper in some time, I've taken my family to eat at some of those restaurants. They need to continue their plans for Valley Fair, and do whatever they were planning to do to lighten up what has always been a dark corridor of a mall.

I think right now WVC's master plan, including their plans for Valley Fair, are smarter, more transit-oriented, and as progressive as any city along the Wasatch Front. I do think they need to continue to work on their image problem, with outsiders as well as with residents, and they need to stick to that master plan. Things can change.

I absolutely agree with you Jedi! We took the family to see Les Mis at the new theater on Wednesday - I'm liking this Megaplex better than the one at the District, even with the early 80's funky retro paint. As far as all the out-lying lots that have grown up around Valley Fair, these restaurants have become favorite trips for our family. As far as the rest of the Mall, they had signs all over that the main mall would be undergoing renovations this spring. It'd be nice to upgrade some of (okay all of) the ghetto shops that currently reside inside the main building.

[Old&New]

Originally Posted by delts145

The prison will be moved, and for very good reasons. IMO, it will happen sooner than later. I think that several of Mansell's points are very timely. That particular sector of the metro is rapidly becoming one of the nations great high-tech magnets. Simply, the problem the potentially very valuable State land area faces, is that none of these extremely attractive, booming companies want to locate next to a large prison facility. Currently, all of the high-tech momentum is gathering on the south side of the Point. Mansell is right, the State would be crazy not to figure out a program, in order to reap the windfall from the high-tech campus development and all of the exponential synergy it creates. However, it's not going to happen for the State, if the prison facility remains. Lehi will continue to take the lion's share of the pie, and the vast State owned land area will not see a fraction of it's potential cash flow.

Yes, relocating the prison would be expensive, but the State would be more than well compensated with development profit, if they allow the State lands to participate in the Thanksgiving Point/Traverse Ridge style high-tech windfall.

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Well then these companies should do a little more research and locate downtown.

[Old&New]

Originally Posted by delts145

Upscale apartments approved for parcel in 5600 West corridor

Preliminary site plan for Sage Gate at Haynes Landing. Courtesy image

Development » Builder aims to attract “lifestyle renter.”

By Pamela Manson |The Salt Lake Tribune

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/55416864-78/west-development-property-units.html.csp

West Valley City • Developers have been given the green light to build nearly 300 high-end apartments and townhouses on a swath of land between a Winco grocery store and the future Mountain View Corridor.

Plans for Sage Gate at Haynes Landing call for units with one to four bedrooms; 9-foot ceilings; granite countertops; garages tucked under buildings so tenants would have direct access to them; a pool; a clubhouse and fitness center; and almost 7 acres of green space.

Monthly rents at the project — 278 units on 13.9 acres at about 5620 West and 2500 South — are expected to range from $1,000 to $1,500. The units are designed for "lifestyle renters," who want the flexibility of renting and a higher-quality property, according to the developers.

The West Valley City Council cast two votes on Dec. 4 that made the development possible. The first, at 5-2, approved a change in the city’s general plan that increased the maximum density allowed on the property from 12 units an acre to 20 units an acre. The second vote, which was unanimous, approved a development agreement for the property with Colony Partners LLC, a Salt Lake City company...


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This is the worst kind of density; auto dependent crap.

[StevenF]

It is also very much an auto dependent area of Salt Lake county. I know it sucks when we see this kind of development but keep in mind what kinds of developments we are beginning to see in areas around a few of the TRAX lines. Unfortunately TRAX and Frontrunner does not reach more people than it does. I personally would love to see a TRAX line run along 5400 South so I could be even less car dependent. But at the moment there isn't and I have to either travel to Murray Central or Valley Fair to get my train fix. It also helps to have businesses located next to TRAX and again I don't have that pleasure with my job when its in Cottonwood Heights in that business park. We don't have the best mass transit system yet in the valley but is sure is much better than it was.

[SLC Projects]

Originally Posted by Old&New

This is the worst kind of density; auto dependent crap.

You know it gets very tiring reading negative posts from you and a few others. 5600 WEST is very auto dependent. It's a good development in terms that for those who work at near by stores or warehouses these people can live closer to their work if they choose.