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Old Posted Nov 14, 2008, 3:59 PM
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This is why the CE had all those transit plans drawn up even though there was no way to fund them. If something suddenly becomes available we'll be at the front of the line.
     
     
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This is why the CE had all those transit plans drawn up even though there was no way to fund them. If something suddenly becomes available we'll be at the front of the line.
This is good to know. So they're ready to move on this if money is available suddenly?
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 16, 2008, 1:52 AM
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Google Earth has much of the City of Pittsburgh in 3D. Included is Downtown, the Hill District, South Side, North Side, Mt. Washington, Oakland, the Strip District and some of Polish Hill.

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Old Posted Nov 16, 2008, 2:25 AM
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I'm suprised they even included that little Dick's flotilla in the river on the right side.
     
     
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http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20081117_Digging_deep_in_Pittsburgh_for_rail_line.html

Digging deep in Pittsburgh for rail line

The city is tunneling below the Allegheny River for a $435 million commuter-system spur.


By Dan Nephin


A welder joins a section of rebar as other workers knot together the net of steel for the tunnel floor before concrete is poured for the 1.2-mile light-rail extension.


Workers walk through the lowest part of the tunnel being built under the Allegheny River to reach the city sports complex.



(KEITH SRAKOCIC / Associated Press)
Looking up at Pittsburgh skyscrapers through a wide-angle lens from the bottom of the pit where the new North Shore Connector meets the light-rail system.


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PITTSBURGH - Many sports-crazed fans who don't want to deal with traffic must walk or take the bus over the bridges of the Allegheny River to watch their Steelers or Pirates.

The city's 25-mile light rail system won't get them to the neighborhood that is home to Heinz Field, PNC Park, museums, and soon, a huge slots casino. It stops short of the river, in downtown Pittsburgh.

But now the commuter line is being extended 1.2 miles through a tunnel under the river in a $435 million project that will take rail users onto the North Shore.

While a certain convenience for sports fans, the project has drawn criticism for its high cost - and where it doesn't go.

The Port Authority of Allegheny County says the North Shore Connector, expected to be completed in 2011, is a sound investment in mass transit that will spur development.

But the Allegheny Institute for Public Policy, a conservative think tank based in the suburbs of Pittsburgh, believes the project will pay off only if it is extended 15 miles to Pittsburgh International Airport.

"We look at things on the basis of their cost and benefits and on a cost-benefit basis, this doesn't come anywhere close," said Jake Haulk, the institute's president.

Port Authority officials say it's possible that one day the rail line, called the "T" by locals, would be extended.

But Haulk said that wouldn't happen in the next 20 years. "That's a pipe dream," he said.

About three-quarters of the extension, or just under a mile, will be underground. The project also includes revamping the current final stop downtown to link it to the extension.

The cost was originally put at $395 million. Eighty percent of the project is being funded with a federal grant, with 16.66 percent coming from the state, and the rest from local government.

That additional money could come from the authority's capital budget, which could mean delays on other authority projects, said Winston Simmonds, the port authority's rail operations and engineering officer.

He said the Federal Transit Administration approved the project before energy costs began to rise and a global demand for steel, concrete and other construction materials drove prices up beyond the 3.3 percent anticipated annual increase. The project was also to have included a link to the downtown David L. Lawrence Convention Center, but that was dropped because of budget constraints.

Costs are expected to increase even more, though the authority can't say by how much.

In Pittsburgh, about 676,000 people rode light rail in October, up more than 4 percent from about 675,000 passengers in October 2007. Ridership was also up in September and August.

About 27,000 people use light rail each day, and officials estimate that 14,300 people will use the North Shore Connector daily when it's completed.

The port authority estimates its per rider cost at $6, of which most riders pay $2.50, with the balance coming from state and local subsidies. But the Allegheny Institute believes the cost to the agency is even higher.

Kathleen Connolly, of Ben Avon, a suburb just west of Pittsburgh, questioned how many commuters would park on the North Shore and take light rail downtown.

"The T is nice, beautiful, easy and clean, but it serves the South Hills and Station Square," a shopping and entertainment complex to the west, just across the Monongahela River from downtown.

A better project, she said, would be extending light rail west to the airport or to the city's eastern suburbs.

"They're not hiding the fact that it's for entertainment," she said. "It's not for commuter ease."

Allegheny County Executive Dan Onorato has said he would have preferred to expand the transportation system elsewhere, but supports the project because he did not want to lose federal funding.

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^That's awesome news for Pittsburgh.

Wohoo! Thanks for the google earth update. I'll have to check that out.
As someone from Cincinnati, I was really impressed by the narrow streets and big-city feel of downtown. I also liked the fact that downtown has such a neighborhood feel. The people appear to be really comfortable and relaxed, hanging out outside, and as a result, they're really friendly.

Pittsburgh seems really progressive compared to cities in Ohio. We're excited about the prospect of a small streetcar line. You guys are expanding your friggin light rail service.
     
     
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^I like that we are expanding our lightrail, it is just how we are expanding it that frustrates me and other people I know. They are spending a extreme amount of money to make the light rail cross under a river so people can get to the north shore for sports venues. They could have used an existing bridge and had the light rail expansion to the north shore for less than half they are spending on these tunnels. They should have spent the money on expanding it through the hill and into Oakland. Even that expansion would have been less than building these tunnels. But in Pittsburgh everything has to be done for the Sports teams.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 17, 2008, 7:57 PM
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Google Earth has much of the City of Pittsburgh in 3D. Included is Downtown, the Hill District, South Side, North Side, Mt. Washington, Oakland, the Strip District and some of Polish Hill.

Check it out!

Looks like some of my models were good enough for them to use without modifying...

Looks like oliver building, oxford, and 1 mellon are all my originals... The rest were not good enough I guess, and they completely replaced them.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 17, 2008, 11:05 PM
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^That's awesome news for Pittsburgh.

Wohoo! Thanks for the google earth update. I'll have to check that out.
As someone from Cincinnati, I was really impressed by the narrow streets and big-city feel of downtown. I also liked the fact that downtown has such a neighborhood feel. The people appear to be really comfortable and relaxed, hanging out outside, and as a result, they're really friendly.

Pittsburgh seems really progressive compared to cities in Ohio. We're excited about the prospect of a small streetcar line. You guys are expanding your friggin light rail service.

Cincinnati has a very dense and historic downtown as well. It just needs more signature towers, which it currently is catching up on. Some people say Pittsburgh is the opposite of progressive however I tend to agree with you... I think it is headed in the right direction. I wouldn't discount ohio's big cities though. The big three all have a lot of pros going for them as well as some cons like every place. The thing that would scare me would be places still reliant on the auto industry. Toledo specifically and Cleveland somewhat. Columbus should be safe with university and government jobs as well as a healthy private sector, and Cincinnati seems pretty well diversified to me however the DHL hub closing is going to hurt the northern suburb region I would think.

Pittsburgh has already taken the two hardest hits possible: The steel industry which collapsed. And then the loss of our airline hub which lost us some 9,000 jobs since 2002. We've got nowhere to go but up! We are quite diversified at this point.
     
     
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Cincinnati has a very dense and historic downtown as well. It just needs more signature towers, which it currently is catching up on. Some people say Pittsburgh is the opposite of progressive however I tend to agree with you... I think it is headed in the right direction. I wouldn't discount ohio's big cities though. The big three all have a lot of pros going for them as well as some cons like every place. The thing that would scare me would be places still reliant on the auto industry. Toledo specifically and Cleveland somewhat. Columbus should be safe with university and government jobs as well as a healthy private sector, and Cincinnati seems pretty well diversified to me however the DHL hub closing is going to hurt the northern suburb region I would think.

Pittsburgh has already taken the two hardest hits possible: The steel industry which collapsed. And then the loss of our airline hub which lost us some 9,000 jobs since 2002. We've got nowhere to go but up! We are quite diversified at this point.

Good analysis. I agree in terms of Cincinnati's great historic downtown and columbus' stable economy, it just furiates me how behind they are in terms of transit.

So the current (expensive version) of the expansion was due to the clout of the sports teams?
     
     
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Hey if anyone is interested, there is a multimedia presentation and discussion at the Penguin Bookshop in Sewickley (420 Beaver St) for the book:
Pittsburgh Born, Pittsburgh Bred on December 4th at 7pm.

The book is about Pittsburghers who have shaped our city and beyond.

Coffee/tea available for 1.50.

If anyone is interested in going let me know because I am most likely going to be there.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 18, 2008, 1:02 AM
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So the current (expensive version) of the expansion was due to the clout of the sports teams?
Not entirely. But the sports stadiums are like the only things on the northshore right now which would make it seem that way. But we have a casino being built (bleh) and a science center expanding as well as an entertainment complex to be built and corporate headquarters on the northshore. So all these things will benefit from the new lightrail service. Also, the dense, historic northside neighborhoods are right nearby which are supposedly to be expanded into at some point.
     
     
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^I like that we are expanding our lightrail, it is just how we are expanding it that frustrates me and other people I know. They are spending a extreme amount of money to make the light rail cross under a river so people can get to the north shore for sports venues. They could have used an existing bridge and had the light rail expansion to the north shore for less than half they are spending on these tunnels. They should have spent the money on expanding it through the hill and into Oakland. Even that expansion would have been less than building these tunnels. But in Pittsburgh everything has to be done for the Sports teams.
I'm with ya on this, frustrated to all Hell They could have gone to the North Shore in a much cheaper manner. They need to expand into Oakland(maybe even as far as the East Liberty/Bloomfield areas), use existing abandoned lines to extend even further north, as you've stated in the past, and west out to PIA. Damn it Jim! Damn it to Hell!

And I like the fact that Siemens has set up a permanent base in Pittsburgh.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 18, 2008, 2:28 PM
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Cincinnati has a very dense and historic downtown as well. It just needs more signature towers, which it currently is catching up on.
Doesn't the second part of that usually kill the first part of that?
     
     
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I'm with ya on this, frustrated to all Hell They could have gone to the North Shore in a much cheaper manner. They need to expand into Oakland(maybe even as far as the East Liberty/Bloomfield areas), use existing abandoned lines to extend even further north, as you've stated in the past, and west out to PIA. Damn it Jim! Damn it to Hell!
Ok, for the last time:
1. The North Shore connector's alignment is the easiest way to the Airport from Downtown.
2. The only other way to the North Shore from Downtown is the Ft. Wayne bridge. If they used the alignment it would have been as expensive (the lower deck of the bridge is barely there) and would have required switchbacks to get up to that elevation...making expansion east from that spur (strip district or busway) impossible. PLUS the current Gateway Center and Woods Street Stations would have been a spur rather than the main line.
3. A spine line to Oakland would cost Billions and Billions of dollars. It wasn't an either/or decision. The spine line was killed in the early ‘90’s by county government (granted a big mistake by the Republican County Commissioners) and the Port Authority was luckily able to use the set aside federal dollars for the current project. If they hadn’t the $348 million would have gone to some other city.
4. North Hills busses will short turn at the new intermodal Station. That way you won't have empty "T's" running back into town from the North Shore and you remove some bus traffic from crowded downtown streets (there by improving productivity of the bus system).
5. The receiving pit on the North Shore was built twice as big as needed. In this pit is where the current alignment turns west towards the intermodal center. The extra space will allow an additional cut and cover tunnel to follow Mazoroski way up to the north side and/or a HOV alignment…I know because I’ve been in it.
6. The north shore connector helps solidify the "expanded" downtown in the same way as the original LRT project made Station Square more a part of downtown than the South Side.
7. Yes, the North Shore connector will also allow one seat rides from the South Hills to the stadiums, continental’s mixed use development and the parking garage where you can also gamble.
     
     
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excellent points... it's a shame these points are never presented in the media... as much as I am frustrated about elements of this project and wish PAT/county would've pursued the spine line (good point about the Republican county commissioners pre-Roddy)... the project has been misrepresented in the popular discourse... and I'm very disappointed the the Associated Press built this latest article primarily around the protestations of the extremist right-wing Allegheny Institute think tank

The tunnel is the best way to cross the Allegheny (due to the difficulties of Ft. Wayne bridge adaptation). The project is largely funded by the federal government... money that has to be used on this project lest it to go somewhere like Charlotte *shudder*... it may be terminating in the one spot in the city where nobody lives... but it may be able to turbocharge high-density urban development in that prime sliver of land (unless current North Shore mega-organizations keep expanding parking lots).

Without concrete expansion plans... it remains a questionable project... but one we need to make the best of. There was an opportunity cost... but the opportunity cost of dropping the project and losing the $300M+ in federal funding was much greater. And the Pittsburgh region has pursued all sorts of questionable highway projects without the mass protestations this investment in mass transit infrastructure has incurred.

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Ok, for the last time:
1. The North Shore connector's alignment is the easiest way to the Airport from Downtown.
2. The only other way to the North Shore from Downtown is the Ft. Wayne bridge. If they used the alignment it would have been as expensive (the lower deck of the bridge is barely there) and would have required switchbacks to get up to that elevation...making expansion east from that spur (strip district or busway) impossible. PLUS the current Gateway Center and Woods Street Stations would have been a spur rather than the main line.
3. A spine line to Oakland would cost Billions and Billions of dollars. It wasn't an either/or decision. The spine line was killed in the early ‘90’s by county government (granted a big mistake by the Republican County Commissioners) and the Port Authority was luckily able to use the set aside federal dollars for the current project. If they hadn’t the $348 million would have gone to some other city.
4. North Hills busses will short turn at the new intermodal Station. That way you won't have empty "T's" running back into town from the North Shore and you remove some bus traffic from crowded downtown streets (there by improving productivity of the bus system).
5. The receiving pit on the North Shore was built twice as big as needed. In this pit is where the current alignment turns west towards the intermodal center. The extra space will allow an additional cut and cover tunnel to follow Mazoroski way up to the north side and/or a HOV alignment…I know because I’ve been in it.
6. The north shore connector helps solidify the "expanded" downtown in the same way as the original LRT project made Station Square more a part of downtown than the South Side.
7. Yes, the North Shore connector will also allow one seat rides from the South Hills to the stadiums, continental’s mixed use development and the parking garage where you can also gamble.

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I hope that the North Shore Connector creates huge growth on the north side... maybe creating a new 'downtown' over there. Perhaps it could be used as the precedent in the future that will allow further rail projects around the area to get off the ground... If people see how much it helped the north side to be connected to the city and the south hills (and hopefully the airport) maybe they will say, well, what are we waiting for? let's connect Oakland, Shadyside, East Liberty, Wilkinsburg....

     
     
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http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08323/928735-28.stm

Natural foods grocery opens Thursday in Strip District

Tuesday, November 18, 2008
By Mark Belko, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette


Market, in the Strip District.

Bob Stone got his first taste of the Strip District when he was a young teen who loaded produce into pickup trucks or flatbeds that trolled city neighborhoods looking to sell it. Mr. Stone often doubled as a delivery boy on those trips.

Nearly four decades later, Mr. Stone is back in the Strip, again hawking produce, this time as president and director of operations for Right by Nature natural foods market, a 22,500-square-foot grocery set to open Thursday at Smallman and 23rd streets.

"It's kind of strange how everything's gone full circle," he said yesterday as he prepared for the grand opening.

Mr. Stone is billing the new store as a full-service natural foods grocery. There will be organic fruits and vegetables, natural meats -- in fact, virtually every product in the store will be organic or natural, he said.

At the same time, he is promising that the organic and natural selections, often pricey compared to their counterparts, will be "affordable" to all shoppers and cheaper than the competition's. The goal, he said, is "to make fresh, healthy food available to everyone, not just the affluent."

"It's going to open a lot of eyes," he said. "People are going to be very surprised about how affordable the food can be."

Mr. Stone said he can do so by buying directly from farmers and producers he has come to know over two decades as a buyer for grocery chains and organic food distributors.

Among its amenities, Right by Nature will have a cafe offering prepared foods, a salad bar and soup bar for eat-in or takeout, and fresh baked goods. There also will be curbside parking for those ordering takeout.

The store, next to the Cork Factory apartment complex, will be on the ground floor of a three-story structure that will have two levels of parking, about 300 spaces in all, with about half covered. Shoppers can take elevators directly into the store.

With so much emphasis on organic and natural, shoppers might not find as many national brands as they would in more traditional groceries. However, Mr. Stone said the brands that will be offered are well-known throughout the country and are not low-priced knockoffs.

"There will be brands people will recognize. You're not going to see Oreos. You're not going to see Pepsi. You're not going to see Coke. [But] you haven't lived until you've tasted China Cola."

The store will be located within walking distance of the Strip's bustling Penn Avenue commercial corridor and its produce terminal.

While Right by Nature might create some competition with those vendors, Becky Rodgers, executive director of Neighbors in the Strip, sees the store contributing to the neighborhood's uniqueness.

"It's a good thing. I don't know if everyone in the Strip feels that way, but I think there are a lot of positives and I think it will complement what we have here," she said.

The total project cost more than $3 million, the majority of it financed privately, although there were some state grants and loans involved. Mr. Stone is partners in the venture with five other local businessmen.

During its first week of operation, the store will donate a portion of its daily sales to seven area charities. The store will employ 110 people, about 70 percent of them full-time.

Mark Belko can be reached at [email protected] or 412-263-1262.
     
     
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Majestic Star renamed Rivers Casino

http://pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/cityregion/s_599045.html

A 486 square ft. sign on a parking garage? Ugh.

I keep hoping this Bluhm guy will announce the addition of another 4 stories onto the casino but it doesn't look promising.
     
     
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Thanks. See, I don't have the inside information you do. And as Evergrey has stated, all I know about these projects are what is presented by the media.

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Ok, for the last time:
1. The North Shore connector's alignment is the easiest way to the Airport from Downtown.
2. The only other way to the North Shore from Downtown is the Ft. Wayne bridge. If they used the alignment it would have been as expensive (the lower deck of the bridge is barely there) and would have required switchbacks to get up to that elevation...making expansion east from that spur (strip district or busway) impossible. PLUS the current Gateway Center and Woods Street Stations would have been a spur rather than the main line.
3. A spine line to Oakland would cost Billions and Billions of dollars. It wasn't an either/or decision. The spine line was killed in the early ‘90’s by county government (granted a big mistake by the Republican County Commissioners) and the Port Authority was luckily able to use the set aside federal dollars for the current project. If they hadn’t the $348 million would have gone to some other city.
4. North Hills busses will short turn at the new intermodal Station. That way you won't have empty "T's" running back into town from the North Shore and you remove some bus traffic from crowded downtown streets (there by improving productivity of the bus system).
5. The receiving pit on the North Shore was built twice as big as needed. In this pit is where the current alignment turns west towards the intermodal center. The extra space will allow an additional cut and cover tunnel to follow Mazoroski way up to the north side and/or a HOV alignment…I know because I’ve been in it.
6. The north shore connector helps solidify the "expanded" downtown in the same way as the original LRT project made Station Square more a part of downtown than the South Side.
7. Yes, the North Shore connector will also allow one seat rides from the South Hills to the stadiums, continental’s mixed use development and the parking garage where you can also gamble.
     
     
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