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Old Posted Jan 4, 2008, 9:07 PM
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/\ the only discussion for that I think has been on here.
wrong...it has been discussed in the "right circles" i do believe. Stupid that it is NOT DONE.
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Old Posted Jan 4, 2008, 9:24 PM
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At least the SUN poll is a lot closer but I am shocked at how many people want to reopen that stupid airport. Must be a lot of newcomers who don't know the history and don't understand the ramifications.


No.

Like all contentious issues (Strathern anyone), the "jilted" side will amass a large contingent and yell louder. In Typical Edmonton style, the people that agree with the approach sit on their fucking hands and think "oh if we play nice nice, things will just work out".

What will it take to get this city finally pissed off enough to stand up for itself?
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Old Posted Jan 4, 2008, 9:26 PM
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People have to start caring. And as long as they think it doesn't matter to them, they won't care.
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Old Posted Jan 4, 2008, 10:51 PM
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Dash 8's to YYC anyone?Then you have just made WestJet really mad since the 737NG's cannot operate from that airport=Airline crying foul.That alone will make that never happen.

Large food, and retail area in the new terminal once it opens.Anything people would want to see in particular, in terms of resturants and retail outlets?

Also sounds like Air Transat will switch to a A330-200 on the YEG-LGW route this summer (up from the A310).more capacity added as Zoom drops the route.

Thats all I got for now.
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 4, 2008, 11:02 PM
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Old Posted Jan 4, 2008, 11:04 PM
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Dash 8's to YYC anyone?Then you have just made WestJet really mad since the 737NG's cannot operate from that airport=Airline crying foul.That alone will make that never happen.

Large food, and retail area in the new terminal once it opens.Anything people would want to see in particular, in terms of resturants and retail outlets?
Yeah, WJ would freak. That would be shades of the late 70's/early 80's PWA 737 vs AC DC-9 debacle where AC cried foul foul foul, but Lougheed said tough cookies (hmmm PWA + government owned + monopoly on jet traffic = yeah right Federally run airline). WJ has no firm plans for even an RJ - which is all they could run.

As for more retail, how about independants? Cara has enough.
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Old Posted Jan 4, 2008, 11:15 PM
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I just dont get it?I drive to YEG 5 times a week (sometimes 6) there and back from the city.And personally have never had problems.I do occasionally spot some bonehead who was going too fast when it has just snowed in the ditch, but thats it.Maybe we should re-open the debate about lighting the QE2 from the city to YEG, and encouraging people to fly from YEG if they feel the need.The problem section of the road almost always appears to be the section from Ponoka to Red deer.Maybe making that something those area's need to deal with and not making it Edmontons problem.If you are gonna do that then we better get involved in the rest of the countries hwy ''problems''.It has to be the lamest thing I have ever heard.
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 4, 2008, 11:19 PM
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It is lame. I feel that this logically pathetic correlation will finally piss off enough people that the debate will be killed for good.

Enough is enough. Making QEII deaths align to YXD smells of rank desperation.
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I got a correlation for you guys:

How about we demolish WEM, get rid of the Oilers, and destroy the UofA, rivervalley and everything that is good in Edmonton...

now that way, there will be less pple driving up to Edm and thus less accidents on QEII!
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Old Posted Jan 4, 2008, 11:27 PM
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It is completely desperate.And dare I use the word FEAR-MONGERING for support.Way to go guys, your a class act.

Message I would love to send to them personally, but I cant.
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 4, 2008, 11:28 PM
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/\ Absolutely, they are attempting to use anything they can to 'stop the bleeding'. Problem is, it has already bled out and they are trying to resuscitate a corpse.
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Old Posted Jan 4, 2008, 11:33 PM
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Old Posted Jan 5, 2008, 12:05 AM
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My phone has been ringing off the hook today with a few folks with some "answers" to our surprise Tony Caterina press release. What raised their antenne was the fact that a lone city councillor issued a press release all on his lonesome, which is definitely out of character.

A couple folks in Calgary who work in this industry hypothesize that the old school folks who funded Air Service for Tomorrow are ramping up the rhetoric again. I have someone digging in the archives to pull out who funded these folks, and the names popping up are rather interesting. The rumors appear to be true. The real VICIOUS rumors are that specific Calgary business interests, specifically Economic Development and the then young Airport Authority, funded Sir Service for Tomorrow through either associates or directly. Now, in Canada, Air Services for Tomorrow is not required to release its benefactors, but what I and others are digging up is rather interesting. PWA/CAI helped with the pro-Muni debate, but that was solely for its own interest as they pretty much owned YXD for generations. It supported the Calgary hub model because it was THEIR model. No conspiracy there, just business.

Then there are some local and Calgary folks that have made an interesting correlation to HSR. The thought is that by forcing the hand on a debate on YXD forever, they can get an answer on HSR. With YXD gone, it removes the excuse some in the Province use to avoid funding HSR - and thereby pissing off Peter Wallis (who holds both positions of CAA head and Van Horne head and a HUGE HSR proponent) and Rod Love. This excuse is, "Well, for 10 billion dollars, we can just re-open the Muni and you have your express to Calgary." A dead YXD is a plus for HSR. While I can see the potential, if that really plays into the hands of Van Horne and the alleged avoidance of YEG by the HSR folks in favour of re-igniting a "one international airport for Alberta" campaign, well, if this city does not get furious, I give up.

Both scenarios have Tony as a stool pigeon. I don't know who started it, whether it was Neil Waugh or someone else, but he certainly walked into it.

There is a third hypothesis floating around, and it all has to do with the sudden out of the blue timing. With the hard work the ERAA is doing, someone may be looking to upset the apple cart. Calgary has always known its amazing numbers were off the backs of Edmonton, and with YEG gaining such rapid momentum, it has no option but to impact Calgary's numbers and its ability to continue to attract new flights. There is a really neat 1992 Herald column from Dan Braid that basically lambasted Edmonton for voting to keep YXD open, saying it made us a second class spoke behind WInnipeg and Regina. I personally know that the CAA did have people dedicated to smearing YEG and the ERAA, and also to attract business away. I met him. Now, that is not so much brutal as harsh business practices, but the CAA is definitely not stupid. They know where they get their incredible numbers from historically, and they want to keep that gravy train. The recent boom has fueled the growth well, but imagine the YYC numbers if 1995 went the other way, and the ERAA closed YEG as they would have had to.

Let's not forget Rick Erickson - the supposed aviation "expert" in Alberta. One major client of his is, you guessed it, the CAA. Strangely enough, he adimately advocates a return to 1992. He too knows what Calgary could be. The prestigue of the only INTERNATIONAL airport in Alberta (the wealthiest province in the nation) would completely solidify his client's position as the #1 business city west of Toronto.

This has been going on for years. Tony is either really poor at timing, or there is something else going on. The whole thing is just weird.

There is another piece sent my way, but that one I need to shut my mouth on.
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Old Posted Jan 5, 2008, 12:10 AM
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Old Posted Jan 5, 2008, 12:12 AM
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It is trying to push the hand on High Speed Rail if nothing else. 20 year plan coming down the pipe, that many would like to see HSR coming sooner in that plan rather than later. These include politicians with visions of legacy dancing in their heads. These include the minister whom kept pushing for it in cabinet who is our current premier.
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 5, 2008, 12:17 AM
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It is trying to push the hand on High Speed Rail if nothing else. 20 year plan coming down the pipe, that many would like to see HSR coming sooner in that plan rather than later. These include politicians with visions of legacy dancing in their heads. These include the minister whom kept pushing for it in cabinet who is our current premier.
HSR simply should not be a reality for 20-30 yrs...nuff said.
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Old Posted Jan 5, 2008, 12:27 AM
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^Ahhh...

Good old Rick, the aviation expert.

Had the chance to meet and speak to this fellow a few years ago.
I am not really sure how he obtained the title ''expert'' as he has never had any airline management or any related skills.He simply was quoted in a Calgary herald article a few years back and was called a ''expert''.

He believes that YYC's growth is solely because of Calgarians.Not because of the two hub airlines.Thats how much expertise he has.He also claims that all the airlines who had to move ops to YEG are unhappy...Rick, I am not sure who you are talking about?Integra air as a example is happier than ever and will be expanding there fleet shortly.They now have the best of both world's with buisness and connecting traffic at YEG.
It amazes me as YEG continues to obtain new routes that ''we have a problem''.Growth has not slowed which would indicate a problem.

''YEG is just a spoke'' they say.

We say, thats a hell of a spoke!
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 5, 2008, 12:35 AM
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HSR simply should not be a reality for 20-30 yrs...nuff said.
It should not, but stupider things have happened. I just can't think of any of them right now.
And since they have a couple feasibility studies from academics they have a bit of political cover.

It is political gold in the 'vision'/'je ne c'est quoi' department.

The premier actually likes talking about roads and trains, unlike all other files where he can't communicate.

It placates the Calgary "You're ignoring us factor" while giving Edmonton a downtown link to their airport and a bit of prestige too.

It will reduce the number of government private jet flights by a huge number, which is great politically.

It seems like it is environmentally friendly.

It is a big enough thing that it could become the "one issue" to fight an election on, and since the Alberta Liberals as of right now pretty much agree...
Anyways, one good argument against it (HSR) is using the Muni. The question is, what is a good argument against it, while using the muni either just as much or less than right now. The arguments have to be able to defeat 'independent' academic feasibility studies.

This will be an interesting year.
     
     
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Re: Edmonchuck's interesting find - no surprise there, when you think about it! Now I'm starting to see why Tony Caterina's all of a sudden trying to beat a dead horse, so to speak.

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Large food, and retail area in the new terminal once it opens.Anything people would want to see in particular, in terms of resturants and retail outlets?
What about another couple of restaurant with bar like Palomino's by Milestones (you'll see that in YVR and YYC). If these went post-security, that might take some pressure off Montana's - I've seen people line up and have to wait for quite awhile just to get in for a beer or two and/or a little something to eat.

And of course, we all know that the transborder area could use a couple more places for one to grab a bite or have a preflight drink.
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