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Old Posted Jul 12, 2007, 4:22 AM
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i looked at trio when i was looking for a place to live. It is a nice development but their floor plans are awful. In terms of space layout, the condos are absolutely sub-par.
And really from a marketing standpoint i didn't think their sales center was as nice as others i have been to.
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But they had few comments about the preliminary exterior designs — one traditional and the other considered more whimsical because it featured varying-sized windows.
Yikes, I don't like the sound of this...

Also, concerning the parking, why does NW have such a stupid land-use policy of always building the parking in separate garages? Would it be too hard to just put it within one of their hospitals? They are constantly running out of land and tearing things down.
     
     
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In regards to the new jewel by K-Station, is it a simple jewel building or there going to be appartments on top or what. I cant see why to use cassions for a 2 story jewel building. does anyone know?
     
     
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They're using caissons to build a 2-story drive-thru bank in the South Loop at Harrison & Clark. It all has to do with Chicago's soil conditions, not really the size of the building.

Besides, the Jewel will incorporate some sort of parking structure, which will place significant loads on the foundation when the spaces are all full.
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They're using caissons to build a 2-story drive-thru bank in the South Loop at Harrison & Clark. It all has to do with Chicago's soil conditions, not really the size of the building.

Besides, the Jewel will incorporate some sort of parking structure, which will place significant loads on the foundation when the spaces are all full.

Like I say....I'm no pro.........but for that area..........souldn't the soil be compacted enough for 2 story structure??
     
     
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Does anyone have any pictures of the Blackstone Hotel renovation? I think they're supposed to be done with that soon, right?


It's on the left. They must be still working on it. I took this picture July 6.
     
     
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^Spertus Institute would be more awesome if built taller.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 12, 2007, 12:28 PM
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[QUOTE=honte;2947887]Yikes, I don't like the sound of this...


Yeah I know. I have pretty low expectations for the design...
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Like I say....I'm no pro.........but for that area..........souldn't the soil be compacted enough for 2 story structure??
Soil composition matters more than soil compaction. I don't really think soil "compaction" is really measured. For example, clay, which sucks for foundations can't really get any more compact than it is. Gravel is the probably one of the best for foundation systems as it has a higher bearing capacity yet doesn't settle.

And even though they may be putting a drive through bank on this site. I believe the jewel area will have a large park on the roof of the parking structure.
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It's on the left. They must be still working on it. I took this picture July 6.
The Blackstone is going to look AMAZING when finished; I drove by it a few weeks ago after they had apparently cleaned the exterior red brick - it looked brand-spanking new, it was so beautiful, clean and you could make out so much of the limestone sills and detailing even from sitting in your car looking at the building that it got me really excited for what the roofing area will look like when it's uncovered - it's a true gem and I'm so glad this building was saved - this is what great preservation is about and I wish that some developers *read Fifield* could learn something from this with regards to the LSD Athletic Club. Their reasoning is totally bogus for wanting to tear it down and both they and Northwestern should be shunned by everyone in the design community locally if that building is demolished.

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I think the Jewel is supposed to have some parking and a public roof deck. It'll be a large, massive structure regardless (prob ~50 feet tall from ground level, so it's not too surprising theyre putting in hefty foundations
     
     
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^Spertus Institute would be more awesome if built taller.
I'd have to say no.

the streetwall is maintained and the building does not stick out like a sore thumb, although a spertus-like 40+ building along the lake shore drive, randolph, roosevelt, or lincoln park streetwalls would be fantastic
     
     
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The Blackstone is going to look AMAZING when finished; I drove by it a few weeks ago after they had apparently cleaned the exterior red brick - it looked brand-spanking new, it was so beautiful, clean and you could make out so much of the limestone sills and detailing even from sitting in your car looking at the building that it got me really excited for what the roofing area will look like when it's uncovered - it's a true gem and I'm so glad this building was saved - this is what great preservation is about and I wish that some developers *read Fifield* could learn something from this with regards to the LSD Athletic Club. Their reasoning is totally bogus for wanting to tear it down and both they and Northwestern should be shunned by everyone in the design community locally if that building is demolished.

(Sorry - end rant).
Agreed. Renovations such as this make me happy.

Now if we could just get someone to buy and meticulously restore the Congress Hotel....which is so rundown and delapidated that I wouldn't allow my worst enemy to stay there.

The public spaces in that hotel are fantastic and the location is increasing desirable.
     
     
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drive through bank at harrison and clark WTF????? god damn!! for every step forward, we take 2 steps back...
Settle down, Beavis. I completely agree that the drive through bank at the corner of Harrison and Clark is a wasted opportunity. It's a really shallow lot and I doubt that they could have put up a high-rise there, but they could have at least put up a couple shops/restaurants there instead and not have parking/drive through that promotes driving. At the same time, there are over 100 good developments that are either under construction or are currently proposed. Having a bad development or two after one hundred good developments does not equate to "for every step forward, we take 2 steps back".
     
     
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Soil composition matters more than soil compaction. I don't really think soil "compaction" is really measured. For example, clay, which sucks for foundations can't really get any more compact than it is. Gravel is the probably one of the best for foundation systems as it has a higher bearing capacity yet doesn't settle.

And even though they may be putting a drive through bank on this site. I believe the jewel area will have a large park on the roof of the parking structure.
Actually, soil compaction levels are measured all of the time. You need to know the amount of voids (air and water) in the soil to know how much a structure will settle, and you can measure this and compact to a certain degree to reduce settling. And clay is an awesome foundation material, particularly Chicago hardpan. Clay in soil composition gives the soil cohesion and adds to the shear strength of the soil.

But you are correct, the overall soil condition is the key, as well as the way the architect designs the building to transfer the loads down. In the case of the Jewel, it's a building right next to the Metra trains, which could cause a lot of vibration and the designers might have wanted to minimize this. It's also supporting parking and a green roof, if I recall.
     
     
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Not sure if this article should go here since this is a pretty large development project but since there is a 25-story high-rise I thought it would be ok to put it here. Otherwise, Steely can always move it.


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http://www.newcityskyline.com/NorthClybournandHalsted.html

Developers race to North, Clybourn & Halsted

Thursday, July 12, 2007

Chicago, IL, US (NCS) - Deal or no deal: a plot of land in or around the small triangular area bounded by North and Clybourn Avenues and Halsted Street. Think carefully. At a time like this, there may be no higher prize.
Indeed, 10 years ago it may not have been so clear that the intersection of North, Clybourn and Halsted on the Near North Side would become one of the hottest destinations in the city, perhaps even rivaling Michigan Avenue. But now, all one has to do is take a drive to the area to see how the real estate there is proliferating.

“North and Clybourn is the most important retailing corner in Chicago, outside of North Michigan Avenue,” said Bruce Kaplan, president of Chicago-based Northern Realty Group Ltd. “It’s an iconic location.”

The new development is triggered by a variety of factors including the availability of large lots, the success of existing retailers like Best Buy, Crate & Barrel and Home Depot, and the demolition of the nearby Cabrini-Green housing development.

Once developers witness the development firsthand and grasp the sales potential, it’s not long before they are exploring what land they can purchase and develop in the area.

Structured Development, LLC and Commonfund Realty, Inc. are planning to begin construction on The New City in September, with scheduled delivery in 2010.

The New City, designed by Chicago-based OKW Architects, will comprise a one-million-square-foot, mixed-use residential and retail complex on the 8.5-acre site of the New City YMCA at Halsted and Clybourn. It is expected to bring hundreds of new jobs to the area.

The development will offer an array of entertainment, retail and restaurant venues along with approximately 490 residential units divided among five buildings. It utilizes an open-space design that includes a one-acre public plaza and boulevard-like sidewalks with extensive landscaping.

The plaza is intended to serve as a focal point for both The New City and the surrounding neighborhood. It will include a water feature and be designed to accommodate a range of public activities, from arts fairs to farmers’ markets to outdoor concerts.

“It is important for the surrounding community and The New City’s potential residents to understand that we are building this project with the long-term future of the area in mind,” said Structured Development co-founder J. Michael Drew. “Our plans for The New City will offer a sophisticated, aesthetically pleasing design that incorporates low-rise and high-rise living space.”

The buildings will be of varying heights, with the tallest planned as a 25-story mixed-use building near the Clybourn and Halsted intersection. The two other mixed-use buildings will be 11 stories tall, one along Clybourn, the other on Halsted. Two exclusively residential low-rise buildings will be located along the south side of Eastman Street.

Ten percent of the units will be designated for low-income housing with another 10 percent set aside as affordable housing.

An 80,000-square-foot Roundy’s Supermarket will anchor The New City on the southeast corner of the complex near Clybourn and Eastman sometime in 2009.

To serve residents and shoppers, The New City will have more than 1,100 off-street parking spaces located below ground or in a five-story parking garage.

“We paid careful attention to the question of automobile congestion in what is already a busy area, and have planned for parking capacity well in excess of the ratios mandated by the city for this type of development,” explained Daniel A. Lukas, who co-founded Structured Development in 2002.

Structured Development isn’t stopping with The New City. The company is also developing a mixed-use facility across the street, on the southwest corner of Halsted and Blackhawk.

This development, now under construction on the two-acre former TruServ site, is designed by Valerio Dewalt Train and will include the 75,000-square-foot British School of Chicago as well as 100,000 square feet of retail and office space when it opens in January 2008.

Structured Development also bought 2.5 acres further south at 1317 North Clybourn Avenue in February for $14.4 million from White Way Sign, which is now renting the building until they find a permanent new home.

Although no solid plans have been revealed for that site, Daniel Lukas, a principal with Structured, says that his firm will probably do another residential-retail development at the site after White Way moves.

“It’s a natural progression for continued retail and residential in the area,” Mr. Lukas said. “In five years, it’s going to be a whole new neighborhood.”

Mr. Lukas uses Whole Foods as an example, explaining that the market is relocating to a site further south on Kingsbury Street into a space more than double the size of its current North Avenue store.

In addition, Grossinger Auto Group has been looking into the possibility of leasing the former Home Depot Expo Design Center at 1500 North Dayton Street, but no deal has been announced.

Belgravia Group Ltd. bought a 2.3-acre parcel in the area at 1401 North Kingsbury Street and is planning a two-level, 135,000-square-foot retail complex there.

“There is a buying frenzy taking place,” said Burt Friedman, president of acquisitions for Belgravia Group.

Even more recently, Apple Inc. has reportedly been working on a deal to build a store on the bustling intersection of North, Clybourn and Halsted. An existing Apple store is located at 679 North Michigan and four other stores are located in various suburban malls, but the company has been searching for a North Side site since before it opened its Michigan Avenue store.

The new Apple store, if built, would be the anchor of a small retail center on an approximately 18,400-square-foot parcel, replacing BP filling station. The gas station has already been purchased by Mr. Hunt, a principal at Chicago-based M Development LLC, sources say, but a spokesperson for London-based BP would only confirm the sale and not the buyer or the price.

If this project went through, it could possibly lead to the redevelopment of the Chicago Transit Authority train station that occupies the northwest corner of the site.
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I had just been wondering what the deal is with the Trio high-rise. If sales are slow right now, one thing is for sure - as soon as the Jewel opens, I would think the remaining units would go pretty quickly...
The area is already well-served grocery-wise, with the Dominick's over at Halsted and Washington. I look forward to the Jewel opening up just for the additional options and hopefully some price competition. Anyway, I'm not so sure that, given an existing full-service store no more than half a mile away, that the Jewel store is going to be such an attraction to make or break the deal.

Thanks to everyone for the caisson discussion; good info to know
     
     
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