Birthplaces of U.S. presidents as of July 2026

[wwmiv]

Originally Posted by cabasse

there are many dozens of diocese in the south, multiples in every state. atlanta, houston, mobile, miami, new orleans, san antonio are all archdiocese, and many other cities in the south have a diocese...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Catholic_dioceses_in_the_United_States

Please get real.

These are the exceptions that prove the rule.

[jmecklenborg]

Originally Posted by cabasse

there are many dozens of diocese in the south, multiples in every state. atlanta, houston, mobile, miami, new orleans, san antonio are all archdiocese, and many other cities in the south have a diocese...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Catholic_dioceses_in_the_United_States

Dear lord I don't know why people can't understand what I'm saying. This is a really important thing to know in order to understand the different regional histories and cultural characteristics of the United States.

I just looked it up and the Diocese of Covington, KY (which none of you had heard of until I mentioned it in this thread) has more Catholic grade schools and high schools than the entire state of Tennessee, which has like 6 million more people.

The Catholic diocese in the northern cities often control a lot of land and the bishops are prominent figures in the community. That is not the case in the south. Yes, every inch of the United States is part of some Catholic diocese, but they typically don't have major land holdings and the bishops are minor figures within the U.S. Catholic church and in their own areas.

Originally Posted by iheartthed

Ohio absolutely had cultural overlap from the North and South in the Civil War Era and it still does.

No, it didn't. If you are familiar with the physicality of Kentucky you'd know why - in most places its unrelentingly hilly for hundreds of miles south from the Ohio River into Tennessee. The first railroad built from Ohio to Tennessee involved over 20 tunnels and many bridges and it wasn't completed until about 15 years after the Civil War.

During the Civil War, many fortifications were built in Kentucky to defend against northward moves from Confederate troops. Some of the stuff is still there physically and there are still many place names named for those forts.

The only way to get to the south from Pittsburgh or Cincinnati before the railroads was a very circuitous steamboat ride on the Ohio River down to the Mississippi. Pittsburgh is 981 miles from the Mississippi River via the Ohio River and Cincinnati is 470 miles.

Also, Northern Kentucky no doubt seems more like "Kentucky" now than it did before about 1950 because many of the former coal mine people from Eastern Kentucky and West Virginia who moved to Ohio and Michigan postwar also moved to...Northern Kentucky. Before that it was dominated by Catholic Germans, Irish, and Italians. The Italian mafia was very prominent in Northern Kentucky until the late 1970s.

[Shawn]

Originally Posted by cabasse

there are many dozens of diocese in the south, multiples in every state. atlanta, houston, mobile, miami, new orleans, san antonio are all archdiocese, and many other cities in the south have a diocese...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Catholic_dioceses_in_the_United_States

Every inhabited part of the planet falls under a Catholic diocese or equivalent, regardless of how many Catholics actually live there. Even Mecca falls under the Apostolic Vicariate of Northern Arabia.

Why I'm posting this in a thread about US presidential birthplaces, I have no idea.

[iheartthed]

Originally Posted by jmecklenborg

No, it didn't. If you are familiar with the physicality of Kentucky you'd know why - in most places its unrelentingly hilly for hundreds of miles south from the Ohio River into Tennessee. The first railroad built from Ohio to Tennessee involved over 20 tunnels and many bridges and it wasn't completed until about 15 years after the Civil War.

During the Civil War, many fortifications were built in Kentucky to defend against northward moves from Confederate troops. Some of the stuff is still there physically and there are still many place names named for those forts.

The only way to get to the south from Pittsburgh or Cincinnati before the railroads was a very circuitous steamboat ride on the Ohio River down to the Mississippi. Pittsburgh is 981 miles from the Mississippi River via the Ohio River and Cincinnati is 470 miles.

Obviously Ohio fought in the war for the north. But, of states fighting for the Union, it had more population that descended from the south than any other non-slave state at the time of the Civil War. Illinois was second to Ohio at the time of the Civil War -- before Chicago's growth spurts decisively flipped the culture of the state to that of Yankees from the northeast. You do realize that Virginia used to border Ohio, right? Ever heard of the B&O Railroad? There were direct rail lines from Ohio Baltimore and Virginia well before the Civil War. Ohio filled in from south to north.

Historians generally point to the 41st parallel as the unofficial boundary of North and South for the states of the old Northwest Territory. The 41st was the southern boundary of the Connecticut Western Reserve. People migrating from the Yankee states in the northeast and New England dominated the areas above the 41st prior to the Civil War, while the areas below the 41st were mixed but received a lot of population from upper South slave states. Also, yes, Kentucky is southern. It was literally settled by Virginians.

[Crawford]

KY has a lower % Catholic than Georgia these days. That's obviously due to Atlanta sprawl megagrowth, attracting people from the North and abroad, but in any case, KY no longer is particularly Catholic, and likely hasn't been for a while (if ever - I doubt areas outside of Louisville and Cincy areas have ever been Catholic).

KY also has a lower % Catholic than SC, and is not much more Catholic than OK, the most intensely Bible Belt state.

https://www.worldatlas.com/religion/us-states-by-population-of-catholics.html

[jmecklenborg]

Originally Posted by iheartthed

Obviously Ohio fought in the war for the north. But, of states fighting for the Union, it had more population that descended from the south

No.

You do realize that Virginia used to border Ohio, right?

It used to be Quebec and then it was Virginia. A lot of wealthy east coast people started buying Ohio land speculatively in the 1760s and 1770s, before the Declaration of Independence. Some people believe that a big motivation for the U.S. declaring independence from England was because England prohibited Ohio from being settled, meaning nobody who had bought land there could cash in.

Ever heard of the B&O Railroad?

Yeah I'm 1 mile from it right now. There are also railroads going north, south, west, northeast, northwest, southeast, southwest, etc.

Historians generally point to the 41st parallel as the unofficial boundary of North and South for the states of the old Northwest Territory.

Oh yeah the old thing where Cleveland people try to claim that Cleveland is on the east coast. Yawn.

The Northwest Territory states were all slave-free from the beginning. That means anybody from Virginia who moved to one of them was self-selecting as someone who didn't seek to replicate plantation farming.

And Catholics started moving into Ohio in very large numbers very soon after it was founded. The thought that Ohio continued to be dominated by Virginians throughout the 1800s is preposterous. Cincinnati had several Catholic parishes by the 1820s and a Catholic high school and even a Catholic college by 1831 (now Xavier University). Downtown Cincinnati and its adjacent row house neighborhoods were a forest of Catholic churches, like 10 of them within a 1-mile radius, by 1850. My home parish was founded in 1841, as were many others that were in farmland at the time that are now city neighborhoods. A bunch of rural southeast Indiana was also settled by German Catholics from that immigrant wave so there are tons of old parishes out in those rural counties to this day.


Site of first Catholic Church in 1820:
https://www.google.com/maps/place/St.+Fr..._ep=EgoyMDI2MDYyOS4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D


1830s:
https://www.google.com/maps/place/St.+Fr..._ep=EgoyMDI2MDYyOS4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D

1840s:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1037674,..._ep=EgoyMDI2MDYyOS4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D

1840s:
https://www.google.com/maps/place/St.+Fr..._ep=EgoyMDI2MDYyOS4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D

1840s:
https://www.google.com/maps/place/St.+Fr..._ep=EgoyMDI2MDYyOS4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D

1840s:
https://www.google.com/maps/place/St.+Fr..._ep=EgoyMDI2MDYyOS4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D

[iheartthed]

Originally Posted by jmecklenborg

It used to be Quebec and then it was Virginia.

Quebec never bordered the state of Ohio. The state of Virginia bordered the state of Ohio in 1860 at the beginning of the Civil War.



source: https://gisgeography.com/us-election-1860-map/

Originally Posted by jmecklenborg

A lot of wealthy east coast people started buying Ohio land speculatively in the 1760s and 1770s, before the Declaration of Independence. Some people believe that a big motivation for the U.S. declaring independence from England was because England prohibited Ohio from being settled, meaning nobody who had bought land there could cash in.

You do realize those were Virginians, right? lol. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ohio_Company

[cabasse]

Originally Posted by Shawn

Every inhabited part of the planet falls under a Catholic diocese or equivalent, regardless of how many Catholics actually live there. Even Mecca falls under the Apostolic Vicariate of Northern Arabia.

Why I'm posting this in a thread about US presidential birthplaces, I have no idea.

i get that. makes complete sense.

doesn't negate the fact that there are places in other parts of the south with a higher percentage of catholics than the 89k (~20%) of people in covington, ky. this is 20yrs out of date but still informative.

https://www.catholic-hierarchy.org/country/scus3.html

[jmecklenborg]

Originally Posted by iheartthed

Quebec never bordered the state of Ohio.

France claimed the Ohio River Valley in 1749:
https://www.hmdb.org/m.asp?m=24610

It was briefly part of Quebec:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Province_of_Quebec_(1763%E2%80%931791)

You do realize those were Virginians, right? lol. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ohio_Company

Ohio had a whole section that was given to Virginia veterans of the Revolutionary War:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Military_District

However, this is a very thinly populated part of the state and as I mentioned in previous posts, Ohio was settled very rapidly after it was founded by new European immigrants, not Southerners, not Virginians. The German Catholics were the founding group in much of the region's towns and countryside.

Something interesting about Ohio's physical layout is that it was the first state to be divided into 1-mile squares, EXCEPT for the Virginia section.


Typical grid:
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.5319146,..._ep=EgoyMDI2MDYyOS4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D

Virginia not grid:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.4269903,..._ep=EgoyMDI2MDYyOS4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D

[iheartthed]

Originally Posted by jmecklenborg

France claimed the Ohio River Valley in 1749:
https://www.hmdb.org/m.asp?m=24610

It was briefly part of Quebec:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Province_of_Quebec_(1763%E2%80%931791)

The province of Quebec never bordered the state of Ohio. Quebec may have once had territorial claim to the land that is now Ohio, but at that time what is now modern Ohio was largely populated by indigenous people.

Originally Posted by jmecklenborg

Ohio had a whole section that was given to Virginia veterans of the Revolutionary War:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Military_District

However, this is a very thinly populated part of the state and as I mentioned in previous posts, Ohio was settled very rapidly after it was founded by new European immigrants, not Southerners, not Virginians. The German Catholics were the founding group in much of the region's towns and countryside.

Something interesting about Ohio's physical layout is that it was the first state to be divided into 1-mile squares, EXCEPT for the Virginia section.


Typical grid:
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.5319146,..._ep=EgoyMDI2MDYyOS4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D

Virginia not grid:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.4269903,..._ep=EgoyMDI2MDYyOS4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D

Just so we're clear, I'm not saying that Ohio was populated by the southern elite landowners (i.e. slave owners). The southern elite didn't have much use for Ohio land because slavery was abolished in all of the Northwest Territory when it was ceded by Britain to the United States at the end of the Revolutionary War. What I AM saying is that Ohio attracted workers and settlers from the southern lower classes that moved there seeking work and opportunity. This isn't the only group that moved into Ohio, but it is quite obvious and well documented that this occurred in Ohio.

[xzmattzx]

The Diocese of Covington was created largely due to the German immigrants in Cincinnati, some of whom settled across the Ohio River. Dioceses generally do not cross state borders. There are only 4 dioceses that include multiple jurisdictions, and one of those four crosses into a federal district instead of another state, and another of the four includes just one tiny island of another state. Incidentally, I live in one of the other two that is truly bi-state: the Diocese of Wilmington, which is all of Delaware and all of Maryland's Eastern Shore. The other diocese pretty even in two states is the Diocese of Gallup, which is about half in New Mexico and half in Arizona.

At the same time, the first American diocese west of the Appalachians was the Diocese of Bardstown in Kentucky, but this diocese was replaced by the mid-1800s when other cities outgrew Bardstown. Bardstown was chosen because of Catholic activity in the town, with some families moving west from Maryland, and missionaries using the town as a home base. At the time of its founding, the diocese covered Michigan, Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Kentucky, and Tennessee.

[Gantz]

Originally Posted by JManc

The Clintons moved to New York in 1999, Hillary ran for Senate in 2000. When she ran for office, she was viewed as an outsider.

They only moved to NY so that Hillary could become president. All of those elections were just a formality for her in a blue state with a full Dem machine behind the Clintons. Obama was a spoiler they didn't foresee. Her senate stint was just to pad her resume without being just "Bill's wife".
The Clintons didn't even have a house in NY until Hillary decided to run, so they needed a NY residency to fulfill the election requirements.

[Crawford]

Originally Posted by Gantz

They only moved to NY so that Hillary could become president.

That was 27 years ago. They have lived in NY far longer than anywhere else.

Also LOL at "only". That sounds like a pretty good reason.

[Gantz]

Originally Posted by Crawford

That was 27 years ago. They have lived in NY far longer than anywhere else.

Also LOL at "only". That sounds like a pretty good reason.

The point being, they only chose the location for political reasons. They had no ties to the state, and Bill had no ties to the state when he was president.

If Hillary could run out of Florida or Alaska, they would have done that instead. They just needed to check the box.

[Crawford]

Originally Posted by Gantz

The point being, they only chose the location for political reasons. They had no ties to the state, and Bill had no ties to the state when he was president.

If Hillary could run out of Florida or Alaska, they would have done that instead. They just needed to check the box.

They've lived in NY for the last 27 years, NY is a common destination for past Presidents, their kid and grandkids live here, and neither have run for political office in a long time. They'll both likely live here till the end.

And there are like 30 states where HRC could have run for Senate and won.

[Gantz]

Originally Posted by Crawford

They've lived in NY for the last 27 years, NY is a common destination for past Presidents, their kid and grandkids live here, and neither have run for political office in a long time. They'll both likely live here till the end.

And there are like 30 states where HRC could have run for Senate and won.

How many empty Senatorial seats were available?
Hillary only chose NY because that was the seat available that satisfied all her conditions - deep blue state, no primary challengers.

Edit, I just looked it up. Only the following seats were available during 2000 election:
Nebraska
Nevada
New Jersey
New York
Florida
Wyoming

^From that list its a no brainer if you want a safe seat in a big state you go for NY. If you want to be risky and actually have to fight and not get a free ride you go FL, as FL was not heavy red like it is now, but a 50/50.

[Crawford]

Originally Posted by Gantz

How many empty Senatorial seats were available?
Hillary only chose NY because that was the seat available that satisfied all her conditions - deep blue state, no primary challengers.

Again, that seems like a really good reason. And accepting your premise (I don't), they never left.

You seem to be offering some kind of "gotcha" that doesn't exist, like a former President can only live somewhere w/o any explicit reasons.

[iheartthed]

Originally Posted by Crawford

They've lived in NY for the last 27 years, NY is a common destination for past Presidents, their kid and grandkids live here, and neither have run for political office in a long time. They'll both likely live here till the end.

And there are like 30 states where HRC could have run for Senate and won.

They probably would've stayed in Washington if not for Hillary's presidential ambitions. They've owned the house in Washington for about as long as they've owned the one in Chappaqua.

[Crawford]

Originally Posted by iheartthed

They probably would've stayed in Washington if not for Hillary's presidential ambitions. They've owned the house in Washington for about as long as they've owned the one in Chappaqua.

Hillary doesn't have presidential ambitions. Bill's office and foundation have been in Manhattan for decades. Their daughter, son in law and grandchildren live north of Union Square.

[iheartthed]

Originally Posted by Crawford

Hillary doesn't have presidential ambitions. Bill's office and foundation have been in Manhattan for decades. Their daughter, son in law and grandchildren live north of Union Square.

He set up the Clinton Foundation in New York because she won the senate seat here. He could've just as easily have set it up in Washington. And Chelsea was still in college when they moved to New York. She followed them here, not the other way around.