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Old Posted Nov 20, 2025, 9:10 PM
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I am hearing that Air Transat will announce YYZ-TIA next week. Greece is so hot they are sharing the wealth with Albania!
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Old Posted Nov 20, 2025, 9:45 PM
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Fair enough, to each their own. But it's easier to use the codes, and this thread is definitely one that's almost entirely visited by people who are geeks. So I don't really see the harm. There's always google too
Yeah I think it's pretty common for people to be lazy with language in general and that include me. People constantly shorten words and make abbreviations or acronyms etc. I remember there was a thread about Quebec where people called the non-Quebec regions the ROC for "rest of Canada" and it took me a whole page to figure out what they were talking about.
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Old Posted Nov 20, 2025, 10:04 PM
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Why do people prefer using the three letter airport codes (oblivious to most, especially for foreign destinations) rather than the actual names of the cities?

It is like using geographical coordinates instead of city names. Hey did you hear that they are going to have flights from 42.9849° N, 81.2453° W to 9.2827° N, 123.1207° W?

Here in London, we have city buses festooned with advertisements for YXU (without describing what it is). I doubt that more than 5% of the population is aware that this is the code for London 'International' Airport.
St. John's International Airport is YYT. I guess the airport code has some sort of WW2 significance, which I was told when I suggested St. John's could claim the YSJ Airport code from Saint John if we ever get that combined Fredericton-Saint John International Airport built in New Brunswick.

So it certainly helps to know and use the codes for the two SJ's airports when you are booking tickets to either city.

Some cities have good airport codes, like Saint John has in YSJ, or San Fransisco has in SFO, and I guess how Vancouver has in YVR. Some other cities, like London, have something that seems completely random like YXU. Like, what's the reasoning behind YXU as the code for London, Ontario?


What really grinds my gears with Canadian airport codes is the near universal rule that airports must start with a Y. Like, Y the hell is that?

Boston gets BOS for an airport code, Miami gets MIA... why the hell can't Montreal get MTL and Toronto get TOR?
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Old Posted Nov 20, 2025, 10:12 PM
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I am hearing that Air Transat will announce YYZ-TIA next week. Greece is so hot they are sharing the wealth with Albania!
TS is chasing yields by going into unserved markets. Smart strategy. Hopefully the yields will follow.
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Old Posted Nov 20, 2025, 10:20 PM
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YTP, YAZ, CXH, YWH, YHS, YWS, YGG, YHH, WPL... all these are domestic codes taken from one of my recent post
(Tofino Harbour, Tofino Long Beach, Vancouver Harbour, Victoria Harbour, Sechelt, Whistler Green Lake, Ganges, Campbell River, Powell Lake)

That's about the only time I feel it's faster to just type the city name.. but must write the code for consistency

Oh, and also LKE (Seattle Lake Union), but this one is international...
Sorry to go all avgeeky on you but YHH is technically Campbell River Harbour vs YBL for Campbell River Airport.
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Old Posted Nov 20, 2025, 10:35 PM
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St. John's International Airport is YYT. I guess the airport code has some sort of WW2 significance, which I was told when I suggested St. John's could claim the YSJ Airport code from Saint John if we ever get that combined Fredericton-Saint John International Airport built in New Brunswick.

So it certainly helps to know and use the codes for the two SJ's airports when you are booking tickets to either city.

Some cities have good airport codes, like Saint John has in YSJ, or San Fransisco has in SFO, and I guess how Vancouver has in YVR. Some other cities, like London, have something that seems completely random like YXU. Like, what's the reasoning behind YXU as the code for London, Ontario?


What really grinds my gears with Canadian airport codes is the near universal rule that airports must start with a Y. Like, Y the hell is that?

Boston gets BOS for an airport code, Miami gets MIA... why the hell can't Montreal get MTL and Toronto get TOR?
Canada's Y airport IATA codes have their origins in the 1930s and came to be from a combination of weather stations, the early days of radio and two letter railway station codes. The Y = "YES" if the airport had a weather station.

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Most Canadian airport codes start with 'Y' because it's a legacy from the country's radio and weather tower system, which was established in the 1930s. When the International Air Transport Association (IATA) adopted a three-letter code system, Canada added 'Y' to existing two-letter radio codes to indicate the presence of a weather station ("Yes"), differentiating them from U.S. airports where 'Y' was rarely used. For example, the code for Malton, Ontario, which is where Toronto Pearson Airport is located, was YZ, so the airport code became YYZ.

Origin of the 'Y' prefix

Railway codes: The original two-letter codes for Canadian locations were based on stations along the Canadian Pacific Railway, with a two-letter Morse code for each.

Weather stations: When airports were built, they often reused the codes of nearby railway stations. If the airport had a weather station, a 'Y' was added to the front of the code to indicate "Yes".

Differentiation: Adding the 'Y' helped distinguish Canadian airports from those in the United States, as the 'Y' was less common in the U.S. system.
Standardization: When IATA standardized to three-letter codes, Canada largely kept this 'Y' prefix for airports that had a weather station, with 'W' used for locations without one.
Examples of 'Y' in action

YVR: Vancouver's railway station code was VR, so the airport code became YVR.

YOW: The code for Ottawa's railway station was OW, which became the airport code YOW.

YYZ: The original radio call sign for Malton, where Toronto Pearson is, was YZ. This was converted to YYZ for the airport.
So there you have it. Y is exclusive to any airport that handles at least 50K pax per year given the typical presence of weather stations at aerodromes of any significance at the time the codes were first established. There are a bunch of aerodromes with scheduled service in Canada that don't start with a Y that have scheduled airline service but they're tiny like XGR = Kangiqsualujjuaq, QC. ZBF, which will soon lose AC and all sked service was historically the largest non-Y airport in Canada by pax count (in the 35-40K/year range) with scheduled service. ZBF = Bathurst, NB.

Y is not exclusive to Canada. YKM an YUM are two US airports with scheduled airline service that I can think of off the top of my head and I know there's a handful of others around the world like that.

Regarding MTL & TOR, like other multi-airport cities Montreal (YMQ) and Toronto (YTO) have city IATA codes, which are useful in res systems & for res agents when looking up all flights to a city instead of just a specific airport.

MTL is the IATA code for a general aviation airport in Australia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maitland_Airport and TOR for a rural airport in Wyoming: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torrington_Municipal_Airport So take that Toronto & Montreal, LOL.

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Old Posted Nov 20, 2025, 11:00 PM
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Yeah I think it's pretty common for people to be lazy with language in general and that include me. People constantly shorten words and make abbreviations or acronyms etc. I remember there was a thread about Quebec where people called the non-Quebec regions the ROC for "rest of Canada" and it took me a whole page to figure out what they were talking about.
They were talking about MOC.
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Old Posted Nov 21, 2025, 12:31 AM
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Sounds like Transat will be following up their new Montréal-Dakar and Agadir services with a Toronto-Accra flight, twice weekly. TI wonder if Lagos will be next...
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Old Posted Nov 21, 2025, 2:00 AM
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Sounds like Transat will be following up their new Montréal-Dakar and Agadir services with a Toronto-Accra flight, twice weekly. TI wonder if Lagos will be next...
You’re late to the party. Someone else broke the news on the last page. That’s how this whole IATA code discussion started, with an unfamiliar (not to us geeks!) African airport code.
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Old Posted Nov 21, 2025, 2:03 AM
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In Quebec, they go on about the ROC, but in Montreal, we talked about the ROQ (or, in French, "Les Régions").
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Old Posted Nov 21, 2025, 3:16 AM
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In Quebec, they go on about the ROC, but in Montreal, we talked about the ROQ (or, in French, "Les Régions").
ROC, ROQ, tomato, tomahto.
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Why do people prefer using the three letter airport codes (oblivious to most, especially for foreign destinations) rather than the actual names of the cities?

It is like using geographical coordinates instead of city names. Hey did you hear that they are going to have flights from 42.9849° N, 81.2453° W to 9.2827° N, 123.1207° W?

Here in London, we have city buses festooned with advertisements for YXU (without describing what it is). I doubt that more than 5% of the population is aware that this is the code for London 'International' Airport.
Haha.. you have likely pissed off a quarter of this forum

(don't worry, I don't know all the codes either.. I have to google them a lot while reading airport related posts!)
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Old Posted Nov 21, 2025, 9:20 AM
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Would love to see a non-stop some day between Canada and South Africa.
According to Mark Galardo, AC's chief commercial officer, it's not gonna happen until AC gets A35Ks or B777-8s (or more likely -9s. I doubt they are going to order the -8).

Interesting interview he gave 2 days ago. They talk about a lot of stuff.

https://www.theairlineobserver.com/p/why...post&utm_medium=web#footnote-3-179189686
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There is a major country music festival here in greater Moncton every year called "YQM."

It is very popular and draws some of the biggest performers in country music. It is a multi-day event.

If you do a Google search looking for the Moncton airport website and just type in "YQM." The first several hits displayed based on this search are for the YQM Country Music Festival.

Pretty much everyone in Moncton is aware that the IATA code for the Romeo LeBlanc International Airport is YQM.
I'm guessing YQM is more identifiable to the airport than the Romeo LeBlanc name is. For that matter, outside of Pearson, do many people actually refer to their local airports by the namesake? Does anyone in various cities ever say "I'm picking my mom up at LeBlanc/Lesage/Stanfield/Richardson/Munro/Trudeau" etc?

What usually throws me off on here are the timetable codes for days of operation. (4x weekly, x246 etc.) I'm pretty sure that means not operating Tuesday Thursday or Saturday because to me, the weekEND would be days 6 and 7, but when you look at a calendar they usually are printed Sunday to Saturday.
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What usually throws me off on here are the timetable codes for days of operation. (4x weekly, x246 etc.) I'm pretty sure that means not operating Tuesday Thursday or Saturday because to me, the weekEND would be days 6 and 7, but when you look at a calendar they usually are printed Sunday to Saturday.
You are correct that day 1 = Monday and day 7 = Sunday.
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I shared this on another forum, but with this weeks announcements at WS, here's a mini breakdown.

Destinations served by hub/Canadian city:
YYC - 99 Destinations
YYZ - 55 Destinations
YVR - 43 Destinations
YEG - 43 Destinations
YWG - 32 Destinations
YHZ - 25 Destinations
YQR - 15 Destinations
YXE - 12 Destinations

If you factor in Sunwing Destinations, WS flies to 31 destinations from YUL.

As for the destinations:

Domestic - 42
Transborder - 29
Mexico - 15
Central America - 5*
Caribbean - 25*
Europe - 15
Asia - 2
South America - 2*

*-Includes Sunwing exclusive destinations served by WS.
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I shared this on another forum, but with this weeks announcements at WS, here's a mini breakdown.

Destinations served by hub/Canadian city:
YYC - 99 Destinations
YYZ - 55 Destinations
YVR - 43 Destinations
YEG - 43 Destinations
YWG - 32 Destinations
YHZ - 25 Destinations
YQR - 15 Destinations
YXE - 12 Destinations

If you factor in Sunwing Destinations, WS flies to 31 destinations from YUL.

As for the destinations:

Domestic - 42
Transborder - 29
Mexico - 15
Central America - 5*
Caribbean - 25*
Europe - 15
Asia - 2
South America - 2*

*-Includes Sunwing exclusive destinations served by WS.
Looks like YYC will have to wait for WS's 100th destination. Matter of when, not if.

Also, technically, even though ADZ is part of Colombia, it is in the Caribbean, not South America.
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I shared this on another forum, but with this weeks announcements at WS, here's a mini breakdown.

Destinations served by hub/Canadian city:
YYC - 99 Destinations
YYZ - 55 Destinations
YVR - 43 Destinations
YEG - 43 Destinations
YWG - 32 Destinations
YHZ - 25 Destinations
YQR - 15 Destinations
YXE - 12 Destinations

If you factor in Sunwing Destinations, WS flies to 31 destinations from YUL.

As for the destinations:

Domestic - 42
Transborder - 29
Mexico - 15
Central America - 5*
Caribbean - 25*
Europe - 15
Asia - 2
South America - 2*

*-Includes Sunwing exclusive destinations served by WS.

Nothing for YUL Brynner?
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Looks like YYC will have to wait for WS's 100th destination. Matter of when, not if.

Also, technically, even though ADZ is part of Colombia, it is in the Caribbean, not South America.
I wasn't sure if I should include ADZ in the Caribbean or South America.

The 100th destination is expected to be announced in January, but it doesn't sound like it will be that exciting. (I've heard it could even be the LGA route they announced for this year but dropped, but not confirmed).
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There is a major country music festival here in greater Moncton every year called "YQM."

It is very popular and draws some of the biggest performers in country music. It is a multi-day event.
But is it held at the airport? If not, YQM is a total misnomer.

Just sayin'...
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