Canadian Federal Election

[MolsonExport]

Was it Robert Bourassa's fault that the École Polytechnique massacre occurred "under his watch"?



Next up, playing the victim

[YOWetal]

Originally Posted by Truenorth00

The chances of the NDP forming government are rather low...

Understatement of the week.

They are approaching Green Party level support.

[O-tacular]

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[YOWetal]

Originally Posted by Acajack

So I looked it up. At least politically, this is it:

When Vincent Li was released in the first part of 2015, Greg Selinger (NDP) was Premier of Manitoba and Stephen Harper (Conservative) was Prime Minister of Canada.

Of course they were not involved directly in the decision which was made by various courts and boards, comprised of appointees. Under a series of laws and regulations. I don't know who appointed the people on those bodies or under which governments those rules were made.

So not on the Liberals at all.

Yes we can make laws that lock up people forever if we want to. Some states no longer have parole at all for example.

[O-tacular]

Originally Posted by Hecate

Grow up man, peepee I don’t even want to respond to you,

if you paid any attention at all when he talked you’d know what he wanted to do.

I have paid attention to what he says (and what he doesn’t) which is why I’m confident he has no plan to alleviate childhood poverty or help out anyone struggling with food insecurity. All he has to offer is vague rhetoric that amounts to bootstraps ideology and magical thinking that if people have less aid they will be better off. He wants to cut the social safety net and eliminate things like universal dental care that help children as well as $10 per day childcare. He is the nemesis of struggling families with young children. Sorry Pierre, but a boutique tax credit won’t help put food on the table when you need it most.

[Hackslack]

Originally Posted by Truenorth00

I watched an interesting analysis and critique of the three main parties' housing plans. None of them great. Conservative one is the most problematic. Posting here to criticism of the takes in the video.

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You can tell this guy is a hardcorer NDPer, anti-con, that lives in Regina.

He makes the comment that I. Regina you can get a house for $300k, with him thinking that $1.3M is absolutely insane to have a GST cut cause $1.3M would buy mansions in Regina.

He obviously doesn’t realize the average home price in TO last year was $1.1M.

He call it out as completely insane to give a GST cut for houses up to $1.3M

Where I do agree with him thoygh is that it probably should be applied to first time home buyers But on the flip side is the intended goal is to build a whole bunch of houses, and only applying that to first homes it limits the market. So what if an investor wants to build 100 properties because of the GST cut, there’s 100 new properties that maybe wouldn’t have been there without.

Regardless, this guy is obviously completely biased to the left wing.

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[Acajack]

Originally Posted by YOWetal

So not on the Liberals at all.

Yes we can make laws that lock up people forever if we want to. Some states no longer have parole at all for example.

Can we? Not saying we necessarily should, but can we really? Would we need to use the notwithstanding clause to get around the inevitable innumerable court challenges? Does the clause apply to something like this anyway?

Honest questions.

[BlackDog204]

Originally Posted by YOWetal

Yes we can make laws that lock up people forever if we want to. Some states no longer have parole at all for example.

Comparing ourselves to the most violent country in the First World, and implementing their system is a great idea. What could possibly go wrong?

Maybe we should build a bunch of those terrific for-profit ICE detention centres, while we are at it.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by MolsonExport

Was it Robert Bourassa's fault that the École Polytechnique massacre occurred "under his watch"?



Next up, playing the victim

Holy mix-ups Batman. We're not talking about the killing itself. That's virtually impossible for a Premier or Prime Minister to control or prevent. (And blaming people in this way is MAGA stuff, like blaming Obama for Sandy Hook or Clinton for Columbine.)

We're talking about the handling of the perpetrator after the fact.

If Marc Lépine had survived and was now out freely in society, then yes a legitimate discussion could be had about the responsibility of those in power between 1989 and now.

[Hecate]

Originally Posted by Acajack

Holy mix-ups Batman. We're not talking about the killing itself. That's virtually impossible for a Premier or Prime Minister to control or prevent. (And blaming people in this way is MAGA stuff, like blaming Obama for Sandy Hook or Clinton for Columbine.)

We're talking about the handling of the perpetrator after the fact.

If Marc Lépine had survived and was now out freely in society, then yes a legitimate discussion could be had about the responsibility of those in power between 1989 and now.

Stop! You’re making too much sense. lol.

[O-tacular]

Originally Posted by BlackDog204

The mindset of the Alberta ruling class, is something else. They are borderline sociopaths.

I don’t know when exactly it got so bad but Ralph Klein was the beginning of it. He did some fantastic things when he was mayor of Calgary, but once he became Premier it was all out war on teachers and healthcare. Some time around the Ralph Bucks era was when he got so bad that the PC’s forced him out of office. Since that time (the last 20 years) not a single conservative Premier has lasted a full 4 years in office without internal revolt from the caucus removing them. Today’s UCP is the culmination of the worst of the worst elements of the Wildrose and PC parties. Unhinged conspiracy theory driven policy paired with complete corruption and a prosperity gospel mindset that rich donors are above regular Albertans. Kenney cutting AISH payments during covid was unconscionable, but Smith being ever competitive just got exposed trying to cut popsicles and juice from children’s cancer treatment centres. Sociopathic indeed.

ROC beware! Alberta’s UCP is the canary in the coalmine for the CPC. The PC faction has been obliterated by the Reform / CCRAP faction.

[Hackslack]

Originally Posted by BlackDog204

Comparing ourselves to the most violent country in the First World, and implementing their ideas is a great idea. What could possibly go wrong?

Maybe we should build a bunch of those terrific for-profit ICE detention centres, while we are at it.

This is interesting… you claimed that the USA is the most violent country in the first world, so I did a quick google search of “USA violent crime per capita” and “Canada violent crime per capita” and these are the results:

For the USA:

In 2023, the reported violent crime rate in the United States was 363.8 cases per 100,000 people, a slight decrease from the 2022 rate of 377.1.

For Canada

In 2023, Canada's violent crime rate was 1,427.94 incidents per 100,000 residents, a 3.71% increase compared to the previous year.

So that was a quick google search… but…. This has been under the Liberals the last 10 years.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by Hackslack

This is interesting… you claimed that the USA is the most violent country in the first world, so I did a quick google search of “USA violent crime per capita” and “Canada violent crime per capita” and these are the results:

For the USA:


For Canada



So that was a quick google search… but…. This has been under the Liberals the last 10 years.

I don't think Canada is the land of milk and honey, but there is something wrong with those numbers. There is no way violent crime is that much higher in Canada compared to the US.

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by Hackslack

So that was a quick google search… but…. This has been under the Liberals the last 10 years.

Feel free to show the actual link. Here's what google tells me about homicides:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/526539/canada-us-homicide-rate/

Significantly higher in the land of guns.

Here's a ton more detail on all kinds of crime. Even worse for the US:

https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Canada/United-States/Crime

[WarrenC12]

So Carney is talking about leading a new global free trade coalition and PP is doubling down on Bitcoin. You can't make this stuff up.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/poilievre-bitcoin-policy-1.6399986

Again I ask who is giving him these policy ideas and is he thinking critically about them at all? This has all the hallmarks of living in a bubble.

[YOWetal]

Originally Posted by Acajack

Can we? Not saying we necessarily should, but can we really? Would we need to use the notwithstanding clause to get around the inevitable innumerable court challenges? Does the clause apply to something like this anyway?

Honest questions.

Poilievre has said he would use it proactively on crime. I am not even saying this is good but if you lock up people who assault people you prevent assault as many of them do it over and over again until they kill people. Now you also have to pay a lot to incacerate them. You incentivize shooting at the police in order to escape and you ruin a lot of lives of people who make a few mistakes and would return to a productive life if given the chance. But most crime is committed by habitual offenders so it absolutely makes us all safer. Tradeoffs.

[Truenorth00]

Originally Posted by Hackslack

This is interesting… you claimed that the USA is the most violent country in the first world, so I did a quick google search of “USA violent crime per capita” and “Canada violent crime per capita” and these are the results:

For the USA:


For Canada



So that was a quick google search… but…. This has been under the Liberals the last 10 years.

Intuitively, having lived in both countries, this doesn't seem right. Can you post your sources? I also want to see their definition of "violent crime".

I do think property crime is probably higher in Canada.

[Hackslack]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

Feel free to show the actual link. Here's what google tells me about homicides:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/526539/canada-us-homicide-rate/

Significantly higher in the land of guns.

I just provided you my search criteria in google “ canada violent crime per capita” and I’m just referencing the AI results google provided.

I searched “violent crime” and you reference “homicide”

So that is why there is discrepancy between what you are claiming and what I am claiming.

I used the search term “violent crime” because that is what you stated in your post.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by Truenorth00

Intuitively, having lived in both countries, this doesn't seem right. Can you post your sources.

I do think property crime is probably higher in Canada.

I'd even be a bit skeptical of that. Though we're probably a lot closer on that metric than on violent crime.

[Hackslack]

Originally Posted by Truenorth00

Intuitively, having lived in both countries, this doesn't seem right. Can you post your sources? I also want to see their definition of "violent crime".

I do think property crime is probably higher in Canada.

I used the google search “ canada violent crime per capita” and “ USA violent crime per capita, and referred to the AI results google provided.

Sorry here is the link that AI used to respond:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/525173/canada-violent-crime-rate/

And for the USA

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1912...ountries%20with%20the%20most%20prisoners.