Canadian Federal Election

[MonctonRad]

Pretty damning graph.

Good riddance to JT and his preoccupation with social justice activism and meaningless virtue signaling.

Mark Carney will be much more business friendly, although he will be kneecapped in this regard by Der Fuhrer Herr Adolf Drumpf.

[sailor734]

Originally Posted by MonctonRad

Pretty damning graph.

Good riddance to JT and his preoccupation with social justice activism and meaningless virtue signaling.

Mark Carney will be much more business friendly, although he will be kneecapped in this regard by Der Fuhrer Herr Adolf Drumpf.

That graph perfectly sums up the results of 10 years of government decision making driven by "sunny ways" and ultra progressive idealism as opposed to prudent, reality based economic policy.

[MonctonRad]

Originally Posted by sailor734

That graph perfectly sums up the results of 10 years of government decision making driven by "sunny ways" and ultra progressive idealism as opposed to prudent, reality based economic policy.

+1.

Couldn't have phrased it better myself.

A lost decade indeed.

But we did get legalized pot...........

[samne]

Exact same people would be leading the next 4 years if re-elected. Including the “chief economic advisor”. Why people are expecting any different is beyond me.

Or maybe they’re ok with it?

[Arrdeeharharharbour]

How 'bout that Erdogan in Turkey? Third place! He must be a great leader eh? No?

[EnvisionSaintJohn]

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[Drybrain]

Originally Posted by sailor734

That graph perfectly sums up the results of 10 years of government decision making driven by "sunny ways" and ultra progressive idealism as opposed to prudent, reality based economic policy.

I'm genuinely curious to see if the population realignment we're seeing right now shifts these per-capita numbers up. There's no question our economic growth has been sluggish, but we have also grown our population something like five times faster than the OECD average, mostly with non-permanent workers and students, which has surely driven down per-capita GDP.

The population grew by 270,000 between Q4 2023 and Q1 2024. Between the same quarters a year later, it grew by only 64,000. That number will decline further this year, maybe even going negative as more non-permanent migrants leave. It'll be interesting to see what effect that has on GDP growth.

[EnvisionSaintJohn]

Originally Posted by MonctonRad

Pretty damning graph.


Mark Carney will be much more business friendly, although he will be kneecapped in this regard by Der Fuhrer Herr Adolf Drumpf.

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Saw this the other day on the BBC... the OECD has already scaled back their forecasts for global economic growth this year because of Trump's tariff agenda.

The OECD is forecasting Mexico's GDP to detract by -1.3%, and Canada's forecast was lowered from +2% to just +0.7%.

[YOWetal]

Originally Posted by Drybrain

I'm genuinely curious to see if the population realignment we're seeing right now shifts these per-capita numbers up. There's no question our economic growth has been sluggish, but we have also grown our population something like five times faster than the OECD average, mostly with non-permanent workers and students, which has surely driven down per-capita GDP.

The population grew by 270,000 between Q4 2023 and Q1 2024. Between the same quarters a year later, it grew by only 64,000. That number will decline further this year, maybe even going negative as more non-permanent migrants leave. It'll be interesting to see what effect that has on GDP growth.

Yes new immigrants of course take some time to reach their potential but our resource driven GDP being divided by more and more people also makes us poorer. We used to have an overly pessimistic view of our economy as only hewers of wood drawers of water but now we think we are Switzerland when we clearly aren't. Australia is much better at embracing the engine of resource growth and the professional class can do their knowledge intensive work in comfort while resources pay the bills.

This election isn't going to get beyond Trudeau's plan made us poorer claims from Cons and Carney mildly agreeing with that but claiming it's water under the bridge and now all that matters is who can fight for Canada going forward.

[casper]

Originally Posted by samne

Exact same people would be leading the next 4 years if re-elected. Including the “chief economic advisor”. Why people are expecting any different is beyond me.

Or maybe they’re ok with it?

This is the reason we need a clear Liberal majority.

The past few years have been a compromise government between Liberal and NDP.

[Hackslack]

Finally!

Now that the Liberals had selfishly prorogued parliament to find a leader of its party, are planning to call an election for April 28…

This country will be better off no matter what, with Trudeau out and his hurt left wing ideologies, and fake virtue signalling… but, in contrast to what Trudeau believes and has been quoted in the past:

"Canada isn't doing well right now because it's Albertans Quebecois who control our community and socio-democratic agenda. It doesn't work,"

Bring on another PM from the west!

[MonctonRad]

Originally Posted by casper

This is the reason we need a clear Liberal majority.

The past few years have been a compromise government between Liberal and NDP.

100%

In normal times, this election would be about kicking the bums out.

This is not normal times.

Adolf Drumpf is the enemy. Who can deal with him the best. My bet is on a firm steady hand by a cool and competent economist with decades of experience at the highest levels in both Canada and the UK.

PP just doesn't cut it. He has also flirted with the fascist fringe (truckers), and the reactionary right in his party has his ear.

This election is about fascist totalitarianism versus stable liberal democracy.

Period.

[YOWetal]

Originally Posted by MonctonRad

100%

In normal times, this election would be about kicking the bums out.

This is not normal times.

Adolf Drumpf is the enemy. Who can deal with him the best. My bet is on a firm steady hand by a cool and competent economist with decades of experience at the highest levels in both Canada and the UK.

PP just doesn't cut it. He has also flirted with the fascist fringe (truckers), and the reactionary right in his party has his ear.

This election is about fascist totalitarianism versus stable liberal democracy.

Period.

Yes. Total vibe change. I think you were in the voting for PP category in 2024 no? I know I was a soft Con supporter and am now on the fence. ACOttawa BulidIT and a few other anti-Trudeau voices here have been silent lately. I wonder if any of them are now undecided or leaning Liberal.

[Marty_Mcfly]

It should be noted that it's typical for the PM to visit the GG on Sundays to kick off an election. HOWEVER if Carney waits until Sunday, the April 28th election date would be off the table.

Since getting the election finished ASAP is of the best interests for the Liberals, I would expect Carney to visit the GG either tomorrow or Saturday.

[Wigs]

Originally Posted by MonctonRad

Pretty damning graph.

Good riddance to JT and his preoccupation with social justice activism and meaningless virtue signaling.

Mark Carney will be much more business friendly, although he will be kneecapped in this regard by Der Fuhrer Herr Adolf Drumpf.

I'd like to point out that Poland officially joined the EU in 2004. Phenomenal YoY growth for most years ever since.
Soon it will be a $1 Trillion dollar economy (nominal GDP $USD) while next door Ukraine, roughly of similar population--and not a EU member, has experienced slow to anemic growth for most years by comparison before the war and during any 5, 10, 20 year comparison one wants to make.

Warsaw has become a shining star of not just Central/Eastern Europe but Europe overall. Now that Donald Tusk is Poland's PM they've earned respect back that the PiS party leadership had eroded with Europe.

Canada would be smart to hitch our wagon to that entity in some way if not eligible for full EU status.

USA has become a bully and shown their hand under the Trump/MAGA administration.

As Fox News "personality" Laura Ingraham said to Trump in their interview the other day:
"You're tougher with Canada than you are with some of our biggest adversaries"


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edit: His only valid point is Canada needs to uphold NATO spending obligations. Most Canadians don't want US dairy with rBST hormones.

[MonctonRad]

Originally Posted by YOWetal

Yes. Total vibe change. I think you were in the voting for PP category in 2024 no?.

I was in the "anything but JT category." I am a Progressive Conservative, uncomfortable with PP, but, was willing to give him a chance in the before-times to get rid of JT.

JT is now gone. Drumpf is here. The calculus has changed completely.

[casper]

Originally Posted by Hackslack

Finally!

Now that the Liberals had selfishly prorogued parliament to find a leader of its party, are planning to call an election for April 28…

This country will be better off no matter what, with Trudeau out and his hurt left wing ideologies, and fake virtue signalling… but, in contrast to what Trudeau believes and has been quoted in the past:

"Canada isn't doing well right now because it's Albertans Quebecois who control our community and socio-democratic agenda. It doesn't work,"

Bring on another PM from the west!

The current PM and the Conservative leader are both from Alberta. For the past 10 years the deputy PM was from Alberta.

Alberta is being represented at the most senior level. For the last 20 years an Albertan has been either PM or Deputy PM.

On the "fake virtue signally". JT was not fake. He believed in it and ended up taking action to implement it.

[MonctonRad]

Originally Posted by casper

On the "fake virtue signally". JT was not fake. He believed in it and ended up taking action to implement it.

This does not make it any better. The virtue signaling and progressive agenda was a nuisance, an annoyance and a distraction. It was divisive because it focused on identity politics and created an "us versus them" attitude that permeated Canadian society. Whatever happened to collectivism and the common good??? It died on the petard of progressive activism. Thanks JT. The existence of PP is largely as a result of JT.

Carney will be different. Not as mean spirited as PP would be. I trust him to blend incremental middle of the road progressive policies along with a positive business agenda.

Good old Canadian centrism....................

[travis3000]

Originally Posted by EnvisionSaintJohn

An interesting question is where will Mark Carney run for his seat?

Edmonton? The Northwest Territories? Ottawa? Elsewhere?

There’s quite a lot of strategizing involved, I’m sure, but it would be pretty ironic to see Carney representing Alberta and Poilievre representing Ottawa lol

We are going to find out soon with the election call coming Sunday.

[1ajs]

Originally Posted by samne

Exact same people would be leading the next 4 years if re-elected. Including the “chief economic advisor”. Why people are expecting any different is beyond me.

Or maybe they’re ok with it?

and the alternatives are a party thats lost its way as concervitives and gone cray cray being managed by some consiltants that are out to lunch, and a ndp that has a leader that is dull and a bunch of plp hell bent on taxing us to death to know what im mean about the ndp just look at friggin niki ashtons posts ugh