Posted Apr 28, 2018, 10:13 PM
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Originally Posted by NYC2ATX
All I'm gathering from the discussion in this thread since pretty much the first day they put stone to the side of this building is simply this: you cannot get architecture buffs from NYC to agree with architecture buffs from Chicago.
Everyone bagging on 30 Park Place should probably know that, along with every other building RAMS has erected in NYC in the last 10 years, it has been highly and almost universally praised. In my opinion (disclaimer), One Bennett Park is no less lovely.
I think the dichotomy here stems from the impact of architectural history in each place, where in NYC, peak design and architecture is represented by the Deco masterpieces, the Empire State, the Chrysler, Rock Center, etc. Chicago's design history was punctuated by the Chicago school, Mies, and the construction of modern masterpieces in the Sears, Hancock, IBM, etc.
From the perspective of a New Yorker, for example, I don't necessarily understand the undying praise for half the plain blue-glass boxes that have taken over Chicago (and NYC, for that matter) like an -itis. I just assume that, in Chicago, clean lines and lack of ornament makes up for uninspired designs?
Everyone is of course, entitled to their opinions, but the Chicago forumers here should acknowledge that many of them are pretty much shooting down any and all designs that even have an slight aroma of either postmodernism OR pre-modernism. It's fine that y'all have opinions, as do I, but I've never seen every single design of one type get shot down as consistently as I've seen anything not glass-curtain wall get skewered on the Chicago threads.
I mean, you can't tell me this design is worse than the forgettable turd that is it's neighbor at 500 Lake Shore Drive, and that one is fronting LSD never to be obscured.
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The issue I have with both OBP and 30 Park Place is the materials - I don’t think these buildings can work well with pre cast, just look 520 park ave - same architect, similar massing, but it is infinitly better than both OBP and 30 park place, imo. Same with 220 CPS, they are both stunners IMO, though I know many will disagree.
Unfortunately I don’t know if there is a city in NA that can make all lime stone high rises in 2018 outside NYC.
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