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Originally Posted by ponyboycurtis
I mean... doesn't that literally describe Ottawa as a whole? Every single aspect of this city and the people that live in it is watered down nonsense.
Without sandbagging the city and it's people as a whole... lets look at the state of the Red Blacks... The Ottawa Senators and it's owner.. their lack of ability to hang onto ANY talent over the years. How many baseball teams and soccer teams have we had? It's pathetic.
Let's talk about art and culture... sure we have a pile of world class museums but those aren't really a reflection of local culture.
After House of Targ... name me some fun places to go for a night out that doesn't necessarily involve drinking. Sure we have some escape rooms and axe throwing places but Targ is definitely a spot you can hang out at.
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I think you are a little harsh on the sports side. Yes, the Redblacks had a rough year, but it's pretty hard to say that their tenure has not been a big success. And I'm not sure that the Sens have had more trouble hanging on to talent that other small-market teams. The best players they've had, Karlsson and Alfredsson were here through the entire prime of their careers. Their current young core is locked up for 6-8 years. I guess it depends on what standard you are applying, but the Sens are certainly not down with the Buffalos and Arizonas in terms of keeping talent. Heck, I'm not sure Montreal does any better attracting or holding onto their talent, even with all of the resources at their disposal.
As for local culture, you have to look at institutions like the OAG, the GCTC, Saw and the Gladstone as pretty significant players on the scene that are homegrown. Also the numerous festivals which hold their own against any other city.
And as for fun places that don't involve drinking or high cost, I'm not sure what type of places you are thinking of in other cities that we lack. When I lived in Toronto, it seemed that everywhere you went out cost a fortune. In addition, you didn't have access to the free outdoor activities that you have here.
Just my two cents, but I find that a lot of the criticism of Ottawa is a little over the top. I've always lived close to downtown and have never had any trouble finding places to go or people to go with.