[wanderer34]

Originally Posted by TonyTone

I'm sorry but Delaware Ave was a highway it was replaced by I-95 so traffic calming on Delaware Ave shouldn't even be looked at as oh no the cars, we should be saying oh yes for the people especially in a area thats supposed to be the most popular and beautiful in the city.

I realize that but what's the purpose of having streets, avenues, roads, and highways in the first place? Not everybody is going to use the train of the trolley, especially if your job is far away from a subway/light rail line.

I never said that the city and the state shouldn't develop land around Delaware Avenue, but the reality if that developing a light rail line along Delaware Ave is going to be harder. I'd rather develop new lines where the people are (NW, SW, NE) than focus all my energy on Delaware Ave, IMO. And once we develop all the lines, then maybe we can thing of placing a transit line on Delaware Ave in the future.

Originally Posted by TonyTone

Cars are not a city thing they are a suburb thing, we need to stop allowing the cars to win.

when you get off the highway in NYC what does the sign say "SPEED LIMIT IS 25 MPH UNLESS OTHERWISE POSTED"

I don't deny that but the reality is that people are going to use cars for different reasons (going to the supermarket, picking up kids from school, going to the park, going to work, camping and hiking, going to another city, etc.). The car isn't going to go anywhere. We may even have a Jetsons-style flying car in the future, but the car is here to say, whether you like it or not.

And if you want to stop cars from winning, then maybe you need to write SEPTA and the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania and tell them you want more rail lines in Philadelphia and SE PA. There's been many times where I hoped that SEPTA would restore a commuter rail line, only to be let down because SEPTA wanted to "study" the line as opposed to going to work and actually restoring and renovating the line.

Originally Posted by TonyTone

Same thing we need in Philly, if people want to speed hop on I-95 and do it, if you want to drive like a person with sense you get off the highway and take the city way with the lights, people, and life of the city.

Nobody's denying that and I hope that the PPD enforces speeders. I used to work as a taxi driver and I always followed the traffic laws.

Originally Posted by TonyTone

Also aren't there many places where the light rail infrastructure is in the middle? shit Girard trolley Is in the middle.

Well, duh! I stated I wanted to see route 23 from South Philly to Chestnut Hill to return as a trolley. I also stated in my previous post that I'd love to see the subway-surface system expand with routes along Whitby Ave, Christian St, Lansdowne Ave, Lancaster Ave, and Parkside Ave in West and Southwest Philly.

The beef shouldn't be between us, it should be between SEPTA, the City of Philadelphia, and the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania. The fact of the matter is that the city had a long time to expand it's rapid transit system, especially when the city peaked at 2 million people in 1950. Building more subway lines would've made much more sense, but the city of Philadelphia stole a lot of money, that the task of building another subway line was never realized, which is the reason why we have only two subway lines compared to other cities.

Originally Posted by TonyTone

Chestnut and Norristown are served by the high speed trolley aint it? I wouldn't stress to much about that until we can get the center city issues fixed or convert RR to full septa, we have trains all over the city they are just double the price and unwilling to work with septa its stupid and really should be taken over, we wouldn't need any new lines if RR is added to the scene.

The NHSL is a heavy rail line. I've seen a train set from Chicago that was parked prior to stopping at 69th St, so it has to be heavy rail, not light rail. If anything, Routes 101 and 102 are trolleys (light rail). And the trains that are double the price are operated by SEPTA, nobody else. The difference is that the trains that cost more are a part of SEPTA's regional rail system and even that has been mismanaged (the alphanumeric designation and operations need to come back).

Last decade, it was possible to travel from Cynwyd to Norristown on the old R6 regional rail route, as well as travel from Doylestown to Thorndale on the old R5, but because SEPTA felt the it was better to remove not just the alphanumeric and color designations, but also turn the Cynwyd line into a low frequency branch (which is why Cynwyd and Bala are struggling), and only allowed regional rail trains south and west of Center City to end at Temple U and trains north and east to end at 30th St.

In the past, having the R1, R2, R3, R5, R6, and R7 was a lot better because it would consolidate all the commuter lines that radiate around the city by allowing a line to start from one point in the metro area (Cynwyd) and terminate to another area (Norristown or even better, Reading) via the Center City Commuter Tunnel. Now, because SEPTA ended that operation and there's a lot more lines than ever (Thorndale, Elwyn, Wilmington, Doylestown, Fox Chase, etc.), it makes it harder for the Cynwyd line to stay open largely because of the short-sighted decision that go inside 1234 Market, not because we want better train service.