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Originally Posted by wanderer34
It's wishful thing to place a trolley line along Delaware Ave. Traffic calming isn't a bad idea but the way Delaware Avenue was designed and engineered as a local highway and placing the line in the middle of the median would be a tough sell. The problem is that much of the city lives inland and a river line (subway or trolley) would be a good idea.
However, I'd rather convert existing ROWs such as the Chestnut Hill and Norristown Lines into the subway system or build new lines in NE and SW Philadelphia than waste my money on a trolley line to Ikea. The bus does it's job doing that even though it's the less sexy option.
Speaking of building new lines, just learned that the city of Montreal has designed a new subway line called the Pink Line https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pink_Line_(Montreal_Metro), giving it five total subway lines compared to Philadelphia. Montreal is 141 sq. ft. while Philadelphia is 134 sq. ft. in area. Montreal has 1.7 million people while Philadelphia has about 1.6 million people in it's population. As for density, Montreal has 10,070 ppsm while Philly has 11,796 ppsm. Both cities at one point in their histories were the largest city in their country and both cities are still important major hubs.
Yet somehow Montreal is able to design a new subway line while Philadelphia struggles to expand it's subway system. If completed, Montreal would have the best subway system in Canada, just slightly behind Toronto and if you know Canada, Toronto is no slouch. Maybe it's how Canada treats the cities mass transit systems in comparison to America but Philadelphia got off to a head start during the early 20th century while Montreal designed it's system in the 60's, so there's really no excuse why Philly couldn't have a similar of bigger system than Montreal's. |
I'm sorry but Delaware Ave was a highway it was replaced by I-95 so traffic calming on Delaware Ave shouldn't even be looked at as oh no the cars, we should be saying oh yes for the people especially in a area thats supposed to be the most popular and beautiful in the city.
Cars are not a city thing they are a suburb thing, we need to stop allowing the cars to win.
when you get off the highway in NYC what does the sign say "SPEED LIMIT IS 25 MPH UNLESS OTHERWISE POSTED"
Same thing we need in Philly, if people want to speed hop on I-95 and do it, if you want to drive like a person with sense you get off the highway and take the city way with the lights, people, and life of the city.
Also aren't there many places where the light rail infrastructure is in the middle? shit Girard trolley Is in the middle.
Chestnut and Norristown are served by the high speed trolley aint it? I wouldn't stress to much about that until we can get the center city issues fixed or convert RR to full septa, we have trains all over the city they are just double the price and unwilling to work with septa its stupid and really should be taken over, we wouldn't need any new lines if RR is added to the scene.