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Originally Posted by jtown,man
Good news, it seems people don't give a shit about government orders. I've been stuck in traffic jams in the last two days. Great news actually!
I hope people are right. I hope people are craving human interaction(I am). But at the same time there are tons of under 50 folks who are terrified, unjustly, of corona. So who knows when these anti-science people will be comfortable.
Our transit systems are gonna be hit HARD. Our downtowns are gonna be hit HARD. I don't know if this is a year process or forever, I don't know. But I do know this- if Illinois is going to shit and cities start to turn into pre-2000 hellholes again, I will put my happy ass in a Texan suburb.
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A lockdown people don't follow is worse in every way than a lockdown that people follow, since it doesn't achieve the goal and still hurts, so I'm not sure why you're celebrating.
Science is all about models. Please share with us your model for the spread of COVID-19 if you disagree with consensus models. I hate to appeal to authority, but, have you actually talked to many scientists about this? It's one thing to argue that the economic impact is not being taken into account in COVID-19 mitigations, it's another thing to label others anti-science. Some of us, it turns out, are actual scientists. I'm not that scared of COVID-19 (although I don't want to get it...it's far more likely to kill me than anything else I do even though it's not that likely to kill me). I am, however, scared of exponential growth.
We'll be fine, after this is over. Opening a few weeks earlier does nobody any good if we'll have to close things down again because we were too eager to open. We need to wait until that's sufficiently unlikely to happen before reopening, lest this all be for naught. That's what's behind the decision-making being made, which, at least in Illinois, is based on the most sophisticated models available running on the Argonne supercomputers.
Everybody wants this to be over as quickly as possible, believe me.
Edit: here's an interview with the modeler whose slide I posted.
https://wgnradio.com/john-williams/a...navirus-cases/