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Old Posted Apr 28, 2015, 3:44 AM
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Originally Posted by 65MAX View Post
While I agree that Portland can definitely accommodate a doubling of population within its current boundaries, I disagree with the "numbers" he's using to justify his argument.

The author uses this little nugget....

"Consider one measure: Density of persons per square mile within major West Coast cities (as compiled by CityData).
1.San Francisco: 17,935
2.Berkeley: 11,164
3.Los Angeles: 8,281
4.Seattle: 7,779
5.Oakland: 7,247
6.San Jose: 5,710
7.Sacramento: 4,937
8.Portland: 4,537
9.San Diego: 4,180"

The implication being that Portland is barely as dense as the most sprawling of West Coast cities, San Diego. This is horrendously misleading. That "persons per square mile" number completely ignores the fact that we have orders of magnitude FAR MORE parkland within our city limits than any of the other cities on this list.

Also, not considered... the Willamette is a 1/2 mile to one mile wide mostly uninhabited swath through the middle of the city that none of the other cities (except possibly Sacramento) have. The others may border large bodies of water, but that water area isn't calculated into their total square mile figure like it is with Portland's.

Another fact that skews our "density" number negatively... PDX is entirely within our city limits. SEA, SFO, OAK, these airports and their accompanying vast uninhabited acreage are not actually in their namesake cities, and thus not a net drag on their overall densities.

So if you factor in all of the uninhabited areas, whether it be parkland, open water, airport space, even our expansive port facilities, and figure population density based only on the areas that are actually inhabited, (and do the same for the other cities), I guarantee you we are denser than San Jose and Sacramento, and probably as dense as Oakland and Seattle.

Finally, since when is Berkeley a Major West Coast City?

Despite the author's misleading density numbers, I agree with most of what he advocates.
That number is not affected by the river. They divided by land area; 4500 people/sq mile really is the number. Now, How many square miles is the airport land? I don't really think that brings our numbers down either...

So, their point actually still stands. We are a really sparse city in a metro surrounded by denser suburbs. WE NEED TO BUILD MORE. I know you all have gotten annoyed at my refrain, but seriously. Sacramento is denser? What the eff? Our game is all talk. And people still want less to be built than is occurring.

Our model is failing.
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